Do you support NSA data mining?

[morningfog]

For me, when I think a policy is wrong, it doesn't matter to me who is in charge. I also welcome the sunlight on wrong policies. I take the approach of asking whether something is right or wrong, rather than concerning myself only with how criticism may affect a political figure.

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	I supported the policy under bush and do under Obama.
	1 (3%)
	I was against it under bush, but support it under Obama.
	0 (0%)
	I was against it under bush and am against it under Obama.
	34 (94%)
	I supported it under bush, but am against it under Obama (hi RW troll!)
	0 (0%)
	Other
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	0 DU members did not wish to select any of the options provided.
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[cherokeeprogressive]

1. Not only no, but FUCK NO, and don't ask again. n/t

[morningfog]

2. Thank you for your unambiguous answer.

[arely staircase]

31. I would like to associate myself with that remark

nt

[RGinNJ]

3. No I believe in the first and fourth amendments.

[RKP5637]

4. I voted no. This nation is on a very very slippery slope with all of this surveillance. n/t

[mwooldri]

5. I support NSA mining for bitcoins.

As for monitoring telecomms, I was against this in 1993. It has been known for long enough that the CIA and the NSA (for that I also include MI5 + GCHQ) have had that capability all this time.

[NaturalHigh]

25. Why do you support the mining for bitcoins?

I know next to nothing about them beyond the occasional headlines.

[Democracyinkind]

27. I think it was meant as a joke...

"mining coins"

I find it rather witty.

[NaturalHigh]

30. Ah...

Forgive me for being obtuse.

[mwooldri]

43. Yep it was meant as a joke. Bitcoins are a controversial "digital currency".

And apparently malware is distributed across computers and the malware works on "mining" the bitcoins.

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/security/researchers-find-malware-rigged-with-bitcoin-miner/8934

However mining bitcoins is technically theft, the malware attempts to find the bitcoin digital wallet and send that to the person who is doing the mining.

[NaturalHigh]

45. Thanks for clarifying.

As I get older, I'm finding myself more and more behind in the technical arena. Thanks for the link, too.

[limpyhobbler]

6. LOL no.

[rocktivity]

7. Not unless there's a warrant.

Warrantless domestic spying is intolerable in this country.


rocktivity

[morningfog]

9. Does a court order requiring ALL data for ALL customers EVERY day

qualify as a legitimate warrant?

I don't think it does.

[rocktivity]

10. Of course not -- a real warrant has someone's name on it

and a legal reason why that someone should be monitored.


rocktivity

[uponit7771]

8. I'm against it but not shocked nor surprised nor informed by the "news"

[DisgustipatedinCA]

44. Then why did you tell me emphatically yesterday that you supported the program?

[uponit7771]

47. I said I supported domestic spying and that he's not doing enough of it...

...especially when he's out in crowds

I get a lot of people with that one

[DisgustipatedinCA]

48. You should make sure there's no paper trail when you choose to change your story

Q: Do you support the President's domestic surveillance of citizens?
Your answer: "Yes, he's not doing enough of it".

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2967456

[uponit7771]

49. ...and I stand by that statement. When he's out in crowds in should be spying on citizens and making

..sure he keeps an eye out for the really stupid ones.

Do I support the meta data "program"?!

Nope and neither am I going to act like I heard about it yesterday either.

I'm working for a more pgoressive congress and not disingenuous faux outrage of acting as if this is new news.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

50. You said you supported spying yesterday. Today you don't.

Your word is of no value. Good evening.

[uponit7771]

51. That's NOT what I said I supported either, words and facts matter. Regards

[DisgustipatedinCA]

52. I expect squirming from the likes of you, but you put it in black and white

You're done.

[uponit7771]

54. What are the "likes of me"? Either way, no squirming and facts matter to progressives not kkkons

[limpyhobbler]

11. seems like consensus

[Savannahmann]

12. But wait, where are all the apologists?

The ones telling us that Obama has to do this, and he doesn't have any choice? Where are the people telling us time and time again that it's not that bad, and really a good thing, because it stopped some vague threat some time ago once or something. You know, the ones who were parroting Senator Goofball from South Carolina about how good this whole thing was for the nation.

The ones who told us that it didn't violate the 4th Amendment because they had a warrant, based not upon probable cause, but a warrant right?

[morningfog]

13. Curious isn't it?

[JaneyVee]

14. They don't exist.

[Union Scribe]

16. There do seem to be some votes missing. nt

[uponit7771]

55. Sitting back waitin for this to pass...............................................too

[quinnox]

15. nice to see the overwhelming agreement that these spying policies are bullshit

I would love to debate anyone who wants to argue why we need to have wholesale spying of Americans, but they don't seem to want to argue for that, for some odd reason. The best they can manage to come up with is "It has been happening for years, so there!"

[SHRED]

17. Only the Corporate Sector...

...should share our information with each other.

[DallasNE]

18. The Question Should Be "Do You Support In Full The Patriot Act"

That is the enabling legislation that makes this all legal. The timing of this is suspect, coming but a few months after the Patriot Act was reauthorized. The disclosure and outrage needed to occur before that vote was taken. Coming out now only supports Jim DeMint's stated goal for Congress to not legislate but instead go all in on scandals all of the time. DeMint 1, Democrats 0.

[CJCRANE]

20. Exactly, it's been leaked for political purposes

like the rest of the scandals.

[Lifelong Protester]

29. Yep. Don't blame me, I voted for Russ.

[uponit7771]

56. +1

[ohheckyeah]

19. Frankly, I find this

whole thing disgusting beyond belief. I'm not surprised, really, just sick of this government and the complete lack of morals, scruples, decency, privacy, and integrity. Slippery slope - you bet, the slope is coated with Teflon and Astrolube.

[limpyhobbler]

21. kick/rec nt

[Beacool]

22. The wholesale spying of Americans is disturbing.

I understand the need to gather information to prevent future terrorist attacks, but I think that the government has overreached. Apparently, they have been doing this for the last 7 years. Little by little most of our personal liberties are eroding. Unfortunately, I think that the clock won't be turned back and these governmental abuses are here to stay, regardless of who sits in the WH.

[cynatnite]

23. I chose "other" because...

I really don't know enough about how it's implemented, what exactly it's used for, and how the information that is retrieved is disseminated. I don't know if it's benefited this country in any way such as stopping potential attacks or if it's harmed us to the degree that it's used to spy on political opponents.

Perhaps the potential for abuse is enough to not support it. I just honestly don't know.

[NaturalHigh]

24. Gonna go with no on this one.

[uponit7771]

26. *****YES***** Do NOT .... NOT listen to fudr on du or M$M on this issue, they're leaving out gating.

...issues on this whole topic.

The M$M is full of crap!!!

[L0oniX]

28. It's ok for Facebook to collect and sell data but when it's the gov then...

The conflict ...people volunteer their data for free but don't want the gov to collect their data. The dif is that Facebook will not be our future country's dictator. If a dictator should take over we will have no way to undo that. They will know about most every anti dictator person and group and stop us.

[Generic Other]

34. In reality, I hide most of my data from FB

No ads, no public posts, no pictures of myself, no profile info, and a known alias. My choice.

[NaturalHigh]

35. One of the MANY reasons I don't have facebook.

Or twitter or any of the other social media things.

[tridim]

32. I'm against NSA data mining, but I'm not against spying.

I've learned today that some DU'ers want NO spy program in this country whatsoever.

[Generic Other]

36. If you mean me that's not quite true

I think if you have probable cause and a signed warrant, you are following the law. If you are Nixon ordering break-ins at Democratic Headquarters, you are not! Maybe I ma super sensitive to that because I remember how shocked I was listening to the Watergate hearings? We got to see behind the government's secret curtain.

[Generic Other]

33. You can call me a teabagger freeper GOP-lover or any other slur on my politics

but this is where I draw the line. You cross it, I don't care who you are. Data miner, telemarketer, hacker, spy, government voyeurocrat, totalitarian oligarchical scumrats. I will not be cowed into silence. Neither will I support tyranny.

You will not need to eavesdrop when I whisper because I will shout out loud for your benefit what I think of your actions.

Everywhere in our lives, the government has invaded our space, restricted our freedoms in the name of protecting us. They have made us pay a massive cost to fund Homeland Security, the very thing historians will point to as the beginnings of our descent into totalitarianism. Because that is where we as a nation are heading. Homeland Security spends most of its money devising more powerful ways to control us all. X-ray scanners, data mining, warrantless spying, the new arsenals available to local cops...we are coming uncomfortable close to voluntarily losing our freedoms entirely. And the ones who are fine with this tell the rest of us we need to just acceot it, that there's nothing to be done.

And yet, just yesterday I read here on DU that TSA is taking out the naked bopdy scanners in all the airports. Fancy that! Must be because enough freedom loving Americans raised their voices?

[LuvNewcastle]

57. I like "voyeurocrat." It's a very apt term.

[Generic Other]

58. I think of J Edgar Hoover as the ultimate voyeurocrat!

who grew so powerful no one in government could control him! We should be scared. Once the NSA and others have "blackmail" info on all our government officials, it's all over for the rest of us.

These agencies don't ever retreat, downsize or disband. They just get more and more powerful. Our KGB. Our Gestapo.

We really should be alarmed.

[randome]

37. If Obama did not use all the tools at his disposal and there was an attack on the U.S....

...Republicans would sweep into power for ANOTHER 30 years.

If we don't like the Patriot Act, we need to change it.

And no, I don't support NSA data mining.

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[morningfog]

39. That has to be the eighth time you've posted that.

It doesn't become anymore true or relevant each time.

[randome]

40. Just want to make sure everyone has the opportunity to see my pearls of wisdom.

Few have bothered to argue the point.

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[morningfog]

41. If and when another "terrorist" attack occurs,

it will be politicized regardless. Conversely, lack of a major attack does not necessarily prove the data mining has helped prevent, or would help, prevent an attack.

I can't see a situation where an attack occurs and the repubs run around saying, "if only we had data mined the entire American population!" If an attack occurred, will they attempt to say it is because we ended the war in Iraq and stopped waterboarding? Possibly. But, none of that will guarantee 30 years of repub rule. You are stretching into unfounded scare tactics to justify authoritarian apologia. A very weak argument.

[hunter]

38. How else are the Republicans going to find their next presidential candidate???

Seriously, incurious guys who can be led around like puppets, guys like Ronald Reagan or George W. Bush who haven't been caught telling people what they really think (if they think at all), dodging taxes, exposing themselves to Congressional pages, or having kinky diaper sex with farm animals, these Republican candidates are very difficult to find.

It takes a huge amount of computing power to do it, and the party is not always successful. A grumpy old man and a vacuous beauty queen? Romney and Ryan? Really? Is that the best the Republicans can muster???

Obviously they need more computers, more monitoring of the 'nets. Somewhere out there is a suitable Republican presidential candidate. There must be!

[Initech]

42. Never have and never will.

But what royally pisses me off is the double standard in the media that applies to one side but not the other. When the republicans misuse the NSA, it's "protecting our freedoms" (whatever those are anymore). When the democrats misuse the NSA, it's "eroding our civil liberties and destroying the fourth amendment". Really, that shit pisses me off more than anything!

[limpyhobbler]

46. not so much. nt

[ZombieHorde]

53. I am against it, but I understand it.

Some of the people involved probably feel like they have a duty to protect the American people from terrorist attacks, and that job is very difficult. If they feel that they are saving lives of innocent civilians, then they may feel that end justifies these means.

That said, I am against this tactic.

[kenny blankenship]

59. Only with my tax dollars

which I wish were going instead to schools + educational grants, bridge + road repair, alternative energy R&D and stuff that could make life better for the 99%, instead of more restricted and fearful for us.

A surveilled population is a terrorized population, and that's why they do it.

[L0oniX]

60. This poll is being monitored by the NSA National Snooping Aassholes.

[Marr]

61. If you're defending Obama on this, then you vote "yes, I support it".

I've seen several apologists saying they don't support it, but it's okay because a, b, c...

That is supporting it. If you don't support it, then you find it unacceptable. There's no third option, and pretending otherwise is just weasely bullshit.