"to those who scare peace-loving people with phantoms of lost liberty, my message is this:

[Douglas Carpenter]

your tactics only aid terrorists, for they erode our national unity and diminish our resolve. They give ammunition to America's enemies, and pause to America's friends. They encourage people of goodwill to remain silent in the face of evil."


--- ATTORNEY GENERAL JOHN ASHCROFT -

November 06, 2001

[Bluenorthwest]

1. Why are you quoting Republican coward Ashcroft?

Ashcroft, when warned about the possibility of airliners being hijacked in 2001 stopped his usual custom of flying on commercial airlines and he and his family took private jets provided by the very people he did not warn in any way. He took steps to protect himself and his family from a threat he was told about, he let thousands of Americans die without the same warning.
So you are quoting him? Why?

[Douglas Carpenter]

2. you really don't grasp irony, do you?

[Bluenorthwest]

3. There is nothing but the words of Ashcroft chilling but not ironic

I simply asked you your intentions in posting a quote from him without any indication as to how you relate to it. If that's too much for you, all apologies. It was a simple question.

[Douglas Carpenter]

4. well okay, I will try to explain

some people are defending the recent revelations of massive electronic surveillance when it is clear that they would not be defending it if it were under the Bush Administration. By quoting one of the Bush Administrations leading defenders of practices that undermined the constitutional rights of U.S. citizens - I was hoping to point out through irony how ridiculous their defense of similar practices are when they occur under a Democratic administration.

[Puzzledtraveller]

8. I've seen this type of deflection used a lot since all this erupted.

That's what it is, a deflection.

[Douglas Carpenter]

9. it's called trying to make a point through, irony -you do get that, right?

[premium]

14. I grasped the irony right away,

good job.

[BlueCheese]

5. Irony as sharp as a knife.

Well done.

[Douglas Carpenter]

7. thank you

[kenny blankenship]

6. Hail Unity! Hail Victory!

One People, One Nation, One Database!

God willing, we will prevail, in peace and freedom from fear, and in true health, through the purity and essence of our natural fluids.

[Douglas Carpenter]

10. hopefully

[SomethingFishy]

11. The fact that you actually had to explain yourself speaks volumes.

[meaculpa2011]

15. He did not have to explain it.

Someone needed to have it explained.

[SomethingFishy]

17. Point taken..

[TheKentuckian]

18. Wisdom

[RobertEarl]

12. He was the Law then

He was the long arm of the law and if he wanted you to be followed you were followed. If he had the resources he would have been following anybody who did not kiss his and Bush's ass. Then.

So they created the agencies and hardware to follow and find out who, via the web, anyone that doesn't kiss their ass. That would be today.

[GoneOffShore]

13. Well found and spot on. The irony is palpable.

[randome]

16. Throw in a reference to Hitler and 1984 and you can call it a day.

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[Douglas Carpenter]

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