Will the right to privacy be defended as vigorously as the right to bear arms?

[AndyA]

Will a huge organization stand up and defend the right to privacy for all citizens the way the right to bear arms is protected?

It will be interesting to see which members of Congress endorse this activity as "necessary for our own protection" and which ones will call it out for the invasion of privacy it seems to be.

I predict many will reveal themselves without question to be hypocrites--stating that the right to bear arms is a completely different thing than the right to privacy. Of course, if a huge privacy rights organization did exist--with lots of big money to back it--I'll bet our bought and paid for Congress would largely support privacy rights (just have your lobbyist bring the check with them to lunch, thank you).

[premium]

1. I'll defend both rights vigoursly,

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and I hope the ACLU fights this shit tooth and nail all the way to the SCOTUS.
We have wayyyyyyyyyyyy too many Americans willing to sacrifice freedom for security and that scares the hell out of me for the future of our country.

[graham4anything]

2. I support the reinterpretation of the 2nd amendment and stopping all bullets/guns

the other is not one zillionth as important as removing all guns/bullets from the hands of individuals who are not law enforcement.

A gun and bullet instantly takes away all rights

[geek tragedy]

3. There's no free speech manufacturing industrial complex, so no nt

[Javaman]

4. If the 4th amendment had been properly protected in the first place...

the need for gun nuts to feel the desire to "exercise their 2nd amendment rights!", wouldn't be required.

While all amendments to the Constitution are important and all are inter-related in one form or another: without the 1st and 4th amendments all the others basically become null and void.

[truebluegreen]

5. By whom?

If you talk about us, I hope so. If you talk about the Pukes, not on your life! The 2nd is the only right they care about...of those that are actually in the Constitution that is.

[former9thward]

6. From another thread it looks like you predicted wrong.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022962670 Rand introducing 4th amendment protection bill.

[geek tragedy]

7. LMAO. Your buddy 'Rand' to the rescue! nt

[former9thward]

9. Another no content reply from you.

How unusual.

[geek tragedy]

11. Well, people who push Alex Jones's conspiracy theories and who

consider themselves on first name basis with Rand Paul, and who consider him to be a big champion of civil liberties, well I have to chuckle at the existence of such people at a progressive website.

[former9thward]

12. I don't do any of those things so I assume you are looking in a mirror.

[geek tragedy]

13. Your own posting history says you're a gun nut conspiracy theorist

start here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251283820#post6

Current Homeland Security stockpile is two billion rounds. Note: Hollow point is not used in target practice. She apparently is expecting to kill a lot of people in the 'Homeland'.

This is rightwing Alex-Jones insane garbage, that no sane person believes.

It's worse than the FEMA camps nonsense.



see also the thread starting here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=295353

[former9thward]

15. Apparently you don't understand the rhetorical use of sarcasm in a political posting site.

That does not surprise me. But why would you even reply to someone you think is insane? Apparently even that is not beneath you.

[geek tragedy]

16. You claimed the DHS had stockpiled 2 billion rounds of ammo, which is an insane lie.

There is one and only one category of people who claim the DHS is stockpiling ammo:

Insane anti-government, gun nuts.

http://www.google.com/#gs_rn=16&gs_ri=psy-ab&gs_mss=dhs%20stockpilng&suggest=p&cp=17&gs_id=1t&xhr=t&q=dhs+stockpiling+ammunition&es_nrs=true&pf=p&sclient=psy-ab&oq=dhs+stockpilng+am&gs_l=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.&bvm=bv.47534661,d.dmg&fp=c80ec67077dfc456&biw=981&bih=512&bs=1





You've repeatedly defended that insane shit, as shown by the subsequent links.




You claimed the rounds being ordered weren't for target practice, and that the government was lying about it.

Every single thing you've said on the subject is in full agreement with Alex Jones.

[former9thward]

20. Continuing to reply to a lunitic....

What is it they say? Continuing to do the same thing over and over but expecting a different result is the definition of insanity.

[geek tragedy]

21. Oh, I just find it amusing how the Alex Jones/Wayne LaPierre

crowd thinks they're being clever when they promote Rand Paul around here.

[AndyA]

8. It will be interesting to see how/if that works out

Since it's Rand Paul, I wonder what's in it for him.

(If you get the chance to edit your post, there's a period at the end of the URL that returns a "not found" page.)

[former9thward]

10. Thanks, removed.

[meow2u3]

14. We need a Constitutional amendment guaranteeing explicitly an individual's right to privacy

This way, governments and corporations won't have a license to snoop without good cause.

[former9thward]

19. In the contraceptive decisions the Supreme Court said there was a right to privacy.

The said it arose from the "penumbras" in the various Bill of Rights. So why is the 4th amendment not protected by this right to privacy?

[meow2u3]

22. It seems as if the 4th Amendment has been open to interpretation

by corrupt, crooked, right-wing judges who arbitrarily decided that the "right to be secure in their persons, etc." does not translate to a right to privacy. A new amendment would clarify the right to privacy and make it wingnut resistant.

[backscatter712]

17. It's telling that we've never seen the teabaggers complain about warrantless wiretapping.

[sarisataka]

18. A few who value all rights will do so

many fail to see any direct effect on themselves so ignore it (you can't see your phone records being monitored

others will sit by saying "If you have nothing to hide, what does it matter", missing the whole point

and a few will cheer on such intrusions "for the good of society" marching down this very nice road never noticing the rising temperature...

[Buns_of_Fire]

23. Sure -- as soon as someone leaks the Kook Brothers' private phone records. nt

[AndyA]

24. LOL--I would love to see that happen

Exposing all of their support of right wing extremism would be an eye opener to some, and would likely piss off the Koch brothers big time!