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WCGreen

(45,558 posts)
Wed Jun 12, 2013, 08:55 PM Jun 2013

So now we have to worry about something called a Derecho...

I have never heard this term until today. Apparently, it is a sustained wind out front of a line of thunderstorms.

All day long they have been warning us of a night full of storms and this Derecho.

Anyway, I got something more to worry about now with this elevated weather event.

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So now we have to worry about something called a Derecho... (Original Post) WCGreen Jun 2013 OP
I wouldn't worry if I were you... CaliforniaPeggy Jun 2013 #1
I would try to be informed and then get worried malaise Jun 2013 #11
Keep an eye on that. Kath1 Jun 2013 #2
But it's not a tornado, or a gale? We had unexpected lightning, wind, rain and hail a while back. freshwest Jun 2013 #18
We had one in DC a short while back HipChick Jun 2013 #3
Did you bring them in the house? life long demo Jun 2013 #6
I'm petless HipChick Jun 2013 #8
I said that to my youngest son when he was three. SammyWinstonJack Jun 2013 #40
The Derecho on radar LeftInTX Jun 2013 #4
Apparently, we're about to get fucked MrScorpio Jun 2013 #27
IT'S COMIN' RIGHT AT US!!! OnyxCollie Jun 2013 #29
The gazpacho is about to hit the fan. Fuddnik Jun 2013 #32
I survived! rucky Jun 2013 #41
We had one last year in the mid Atlantic MadrasT Jun 2013 #5
we had one in the summer of 1980 maryellen99 Jun 2013 #7
The Mid Atlantic is very much aware of what a Derecho is Stinky The Clown Jun 2013 #9
I only heard that word last year - here's a photo from NOAA malaise Jun 2013 #10
Yikes suffragette Jun 2013 #33
Is that a scene from War Of The Worlds? (bad tom cruise version) Hassin Bin Sober Jun 2013 #36
Sure looks that way malaise Jun 2013 #44
We had one in Southeast OH last summer. limpyhobbler Jun 2013 #12
This is what we got hit by last year. limpyhobbler Jun 2013 #13
This message was self-deleted by its author OhioChick Jun 2013 #14
I remember it. Fuddnik Jun 2013 #34
Hold it, we had one earlier in the year nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #15
Not anymore they're not. backscatter712 Jun 2013 #35
had never heard that term before--just spent a few minutes looking it up--truly scary stuff. niyad Jun 2013 #16
Right at this moment... kentuck Jun 2013 #17
WCGreen, this is what you need to look out for in these pictures: freshwest Jun 2013 #19
Thanks for the info.... WCGreen Jun 2013 #20
Got a storm cellar, some provisions, room for everyone? Take care. freshwest Jun 2013 #28
Straight Line Winds were not trending well with focus groups. Thor_MN Jun 2013 #21
Whatever happened with that Sugarland venue lawsuit anyway... hmm AtheistCrusader Jun 2013 #22
The Derecho we had in DC about this time last year justiceischeap Jun 2013 #42
I have been through two of them, lost a major tree with each. Neither were called derecho. Thor_MN Jun 2013 #50
Get used to it. Extreme weather becomes the norm through climate change. n/t Fire Walk With Me Jun 2013 #23
The best way to prepare for a Derecho is ... Snake Plissken Jun 2013 #24
That's beyond dumb n/t malaise Jun 2013 #45
I went through one ... a Derecho .... last summer and it was a mother f***er Botany Jun 2013 #25
We got hit with a derecho in Virginia ohheckyeah Jun 2013 #26
This message was self-deleted by its author muntrv Jun 2013 #30
i'd never heard the word up until a week ago when a DUer made an odd reference.. frylock Jun 2013 #31
I've never heard of it either TorchTheWitch Jun 2013 #47
Got one headed toward us tomorrow... one_voice Jun 2013 #37
shit..I'm in the red zone too. undergroundpanther Jun 2013 #38
Massive storm system surges toward Mid-Atlantic dipsydoodle Jun 2013 #39
Take it seriously. AngryOldDem Jun 2013 #43
They are no fun. Jamastiene Jun 2013 #46
We turned off the computers for most of the night and made sure the cats WCGreen Jun 2013 #48
One beat the hell out of DC about this time last year Recursion Jun 2013 #49
We were without power for 4 days from last year's Derecho rightsideout Jun 2013 #51

CaliforniaPeggy

(149,640 posts)
1. I wouldn't worry if I were you...
Wed Jun 12, 2013, 09:00 PM
Jun 2013

I would try to be informed about what it might mean to my environment, and plan accordingly.

Like, more cheese on that pizza...

Kath1

(4,309 posts)
2. Keep an eye on that.
Wed Jun 12, 2013, 09:09 PM
Jun 2013

A derecho tore through my area of MD last year and did a lot of destruction. Brought down a lot of trees and power lines. We were without electricity for 8 days. Took a long time time to clean up all the debris. Hope you don't get one.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
18. But it's not a tornado, or a gale? We had unexpected lightning, wind, rain and hail a while back.
Wed Jun 12, 2013, 10:37 PM
Jun 2013

Is that what happened near you?

I'm not sure if all parts of the country call these by the same name. Here's a picture and some details. I don't know if we've had them or not:


A shelf cloud along the leading edge of a derecho photographed in Minnesota

derecho (/dəˈreɪtʃoʊ/, də-reh-choh, from Spanish: derecho [deˈɾetʃo], "straight&quot is a widespread, long-lived, straight-line wind storm that is associated with a fast-moving band of severe thunderstorms. Generally, derechos are convection-induced and take on a bow echo (backward "C&quot form of squall line, forming in an area of wind divergence in the upper levels of the troposphere, within a region of low-level warm air advection and rich low-level moisture. They travel quickly in the direction of movement of their associated storms, similar to an outflow boundary (gust front), except that the wind is sustained and increases in strength behind the front, generally exceeding hurricane-force. A warm-weather phenomenon, derechos occur mostly in summer, especially during June and July in the Northern Hemisphere, within areas of moderately strong instability and moderately strong vertical wind shear. They may occur at any time of the year and occur as frequently at night as during the daylight hours.



Organized areas of thunderstorm activity reinforce pre-existing frontal zones, and can outrun cold fronts. The resultant mesoscale convective system (MCS) forms at the point of the best upper level divergence in the wind pattern in the area of best low level inflow.[3] The convection then moves east and toward the equator into the warm sector, parallel to low-level thickness lines with the mean tropospheric flow. When the convection is strong linear or curved, the MCS is called a squall line, with the feature placed at the leading edge of the significant wind shift and pressure rise.[4]

Derechos are squall lines that are bow- or spearhead-shaped on radar and, thus, also are called bow echoes or spearhead radar echoes. Squall lines typically bow out due to the formation of a mesoscale high pressure system which forms within the stratiform rain area behind the initial line. This high pressure area is formed due to strong descending motion behind the squall line, and could come in the form of a downburst.[5] The size of the bow may vary, and the storms associated with the bow may die and redevelop.

During the cold season within the Northern Hemisphere, derechos generally develop within a pattern of southwesterly winds at mid levels of the troposphere in an environment of low to moderate atmospheric instability (caused by heat and moisture near ground level or cooler air moving in aloft and measured by convective available potential energy) and high values of vertical wind shear (20 m/s (45 mph) within the lowest 5 kilometres (16,000 ft) of the atmosphere). Warm season derechos in the Northern Hemisphere form in west to northwesterly flow at mid levels of the troposphere with moderate to high levels of instability. Derechos form within environments of low-level warm air advection and significant low-level moisture.[6]

Its common definition is a thunderstorm complex that produces a damaging wind swath of at least 250 miles (400 km),[7] featuring a concentrated area of convectively-induced wind gusts exceeding 50 knots (58 mph; 93 km/h).[8] According to the National Weather Service criterion, a derecho is classified as a band of storms that have winds of at least 50 knots (93 km/h; 58 mph) along the entire span of the storm front, maintained over a time span of at least six hours. Some studies add a requirement that no more than two or three hours separate any two successive wind reports.[9] Derechos typically possess a high or rapidly increasing forward speed. They have a distinctive appearance on radar (known as a bow echo) with several unique features, such as the rear inflow notch and bookend vortices, and usually they manifest two or more downbursts.
A typical multi-bow serial derecho
A typical progressive derecho

There are three types of derechos:

* Serial derecho — This type of derecho is usually associated with a very deep low.

* Single-bow — A very large bow echo around or upwards of 250 miles (400 km) long. This type of serial derecho is less common than the multi-bow kind. An example of a single-bow serial derecho is the derecho that occurred in association with the October 2010 North American storm complex.
* Multi-bow — Multiple bow echoes are embedded in a large squall line typically around 250 miles (400 km) long. One example of a multi-bow serial derecho is a derecho that occurred during the 1993 Storm of the Century in Florida.[10] Because of embedded supercells, tornadoes can spin out of these types of derechos. This is a much more common type of serial derecho than the single-bow kind. Multi-bow serial derechos can be associated with line echo wave patterns on weather radar.

* Progressive derecho — A line of thunderstorms take the bow-shape and may travel for hundreds of miles along stationary fronts. An example of this is the Boundary Waters-Canadian Derecho of 4–5 July 1999. Tornado formation is less common in a progressive than serial type.[why?][citation needed]
* Hybrid derecho — A derecho with characteristics of both a serial and progressive derecho. Similar to serial derechos and progressive derechos, these types of derechos are associated with a deep low, but are relatively small in size. An example is the Late-May 1998 tornado outbreak and derecho that moved through the central Northern Plains and the Southern Great Lakes on 30–31 May 1998.

Characteristics[edit]

Winds in a derecho can be enhanced by downburst clusters embedded inside the storm. These straight-line winds may exceed 100 miles per hour (160 km/h), reaching 130 miles per hour (210 km/h) in past events.[11] Tornadoes sometimes form within derecho events, although such events are often difficult to confirm due to the additional damage caused by straight-line winds in the immediate area.[12]

With the average tornado in the United States and Canada rating in the low end of the F/EF1 classification at 85 to 100 miles per hour (137 to 160 km/h) peak winds and most or all of the rest of the world even lower, derechos tend to deliver the vast majority of extreme wind conditions over much of the territory in which they occur.[citation needed] Data compiled by the United States National Weather Service and other organizations, shows that a large swath of the north-central United States and presumably at least the adjacent sections of Canada and much of the surface of the Great Lakes, can expect winds above 85 mph to as high as 120 mph (135 to 190 km/h) over a significant area at least once in any 50-year period, including both convective events and extra-tropical cyclones and other events deriving power from baroclinic sources. Only in 40 to 65 percent or so of the United States resting on the coast of the Atlantic basin, and a fraction of the Everglades, are derechos surpassed in this respect — by landfalling hurricanes, which at their worst may have winds as severe as EF3 tornadoes.[13]

Certain derecho situations are the most common instances of severe weather outbreaks which may become less favourable to tornado production as they become more violent;[clarification needed] the height of the 30–31 May 1998 upper Middle West-Canada-New York State derecho and the latter stages of significant tornado and severe weather outbreaks in 2003 and 2004 are only three examples of this. Some upper-air measurements used for severe-weather forecasting may reflect this point of diminishing returns for tornado formation, and the mentioned three situations were instances during which the rare but quite possible particularly dangerous situation severe thunderstorm variety of severe weather watches were issued from the Storm Prediction Center of the U.S. National Oceanic & Atmospheric Administration.[citation needed]
Derechos in North America form predominantly from April to August, peaking in frequency from May into July.[11] During this time of year, derechos are mostly found in the Midwestern United States most commonly from Oklahoma and across the Ohio Valley.[7] During mid-summer when a hot and muggy airmass covers the north-central U.S., they will often develop farther north into Manitoba or Northwestern Ontario, sometimes well north of the U.S.-Canadian border. North Dakota, Minnesota and upper Michigan are also vulnerable to derecho storms when such conditions are in place. They often occur along stationary fronts on the northern periphery of where the most intense heat and humidity bubble exists. Late-year derechos are normally confined to Texas and the Deep South, although a late-summer derecho struck upper parts of the New York State area after midnight on 7 September 1998. Warm season derechoes have greater instability than their cold season counterpart, while cool season derechoes have greater shear than their warm season counterpart.

Although these storms most commonly occur in North America, derechos can occur elsewhere in the world, although infrequently. Outside North America, they sometimes are called by different names. For example, in Bangladesh and adjacent portions of India, a type of storm known as a "Nor'wester" may be a progressive derecho.[8] One such event occurred on 10 July 2002 in Germany: a serial derecho killed eight people and injured 39 near Berlin. They have occurred in Argentina and South Africa as well, and on rarer occasions, close to or north of the 60th parallel in northern Canada. Primarily a mid-latitudes phenomenon, derechos do occur in the Amazon Basin of Brazil.[14] On 8 August 2010, a derecho struck Estonia and tore off the tower of Väike-Maarja Church.[15]


Trees felled by downbursts in the Boundary Waters – Canadian derecho of 1999

Unlike other thunderstorms, which typically can be heard in the distance when approaching, a derecho seems to strike suddenly. Within minutes, extremely high winds can arise, strong enough to knock over highway signs and topple large trees. These winds are accompanied by spraying rain and frequent lightning from all directions. It is dangerous to drive under these conditions, especially at night, because of blowing debris and obstructed roadways. A derecho moves through quickly, but can do much damage in a short time.

Since derechos occur during warm months and often in places with cold winter climates, people who are most at risk are those involved in outdoor activities. Campers, hikers, and motorists are most at risk because of falling trees toppled over by straight-line winds. Wide swaths of forest have been felled by such storms. People who live in mobile homes are also at risk; mobile homes that are not anchored to the ground may be overturned from the high winds. Across the United States, Michigan and New York have incurred a significant portion of the fatalities from derechos. Prior to Hurricane Katrina, the death toll from derechos and hurricanes were comparable for the United States.[7]

Derechos may also severely damage an urban area's electrical distribution system, especially if these services are routed above ground. The derecho that struck Chicago, Illinois on 11 July 2011 left more than 860,000 people without electricity.[16] The June 2012 North American derecho took out electrical power to more than 3.7 million customers starting in the Midwestern United States, across the central Appalachians, into the Mid-Atlantic States during a heat wave.[17]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derecho

This somehow seems less predictable and as dangerous as a tornado. They seem to form for the same reasons, just without the funnel.

Be careful guys. WC and Kath, take care when the weather is like this. We're not getting enough warmth for anything like this here yet. I've heard of these described as freak winds. It's still pretty cool here, no fronts hitting each other like this. I've seen clouds like these but passing through going quickly inland many times.



HipChick

(25,485 posts)
3. We had one in DC a short while back
Wed Jun 12, 2013, 09:11 PM
Jun 2013

Sounded like a wailing banshee...small tree limbs down...and wind came down my chimney...rained cats and dogs..

SammyWinstonJack

(44,130 posts)
40. I said that to my youngest son when he was three.
Thu Jun 13, 2013, 05:51 AM
Jun 2013

He said to me, where? and then ran to the window to look out.

MadrasT

(7,237 posts)
5. We had one last year in the mid Atlantic
Wed Jun 12, 2013, 09:17 PM
Jun 2013

It was awful

People lost power for days

Trees down *everywhere*

Take care

maryellen99

(3,789 posts)
7. we had one in the summer of 1980
Wed Jun 12, 2013, 09:27 PM
Jun 2013

It hit the Detroit area. I was 9 and remember the sky was green. We lost power for a week and had to go to my grandma's house. There was a ton of damage.

limpyhobbler

(8,244 posts)
13. This is what we got hit by last year.
Wed Jun 12, 2013, 09:49 PM
Jun 2013

These can be pretty serious


The June 2012 Mid-Atlantic and Midwest derecho was one of the most destructive and deadly fast-moving severe thunderstorm complexes in North American history. The progressive derecho tracked across a large section of the Midwestern United States and across the central Appalachians into the mid-Atlantic states on the afternoon and evening of June 29, 2012, and into the early morning of June 30, 2012. It resulted in 22 deaths, widespread damage and millions of power outages across the entire affected region. The storm prompted the issuance of four separate severe thunderstorm watches by the Storm Prediction Center. A second storm in the late afternoon caused another watch to be issued across Iowa and Illinois.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/June_2012_North_American_derecho



Response to WCGreen (Original post)

Fuddnik

(8,846 posts)
34. I remember it.
Wed Jun 12, 2013, 11:49 PM
Jun 2013

I was in boot camp in Great Lakes, Ill.

It hit us in the afternoon. It hit Cleveland just as everyone was gathering at Edgewater Park for the fireworks.

Back then, they didn't have much forecasting capability. No satellites, weather radar. It took Cleveland by surprise.

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
35. Not anymore they're not.
Wed Jun 12, 2013, 11:52 PM
Jun 2013

Thank the Koch Bros. and the rest of the fossil fuel industry for repeat Derechos.

niyad

(113,348 posts)
16. had never heard that term before--just spent a few minutes looking it up--truly scary stuff.
Wed Jun 12, 2013, 10:17 PM
Jun 2013

I know what you mean--like we need more stuff to worry about. be safe, and keep checking in.

kentuck

(111,103 posts)
17. Right at this moment...
Wed Jun 12, 2013, 10:17 PM
Jun 2013

...we have a huge fire out in Black Forest and they have lost about 100 homes. People are being very generous. The Flying W Ranch offered stable space for all those with horses, and just about everybody out in Black Forest have horses, but the Flying W was in last year's Waldo Canyon fire and have not yet totally rebuilt. They found a small fawn, about a week old, they estimate, and the animal shelter took it. The fire is still burning.

WCGreen

(45,558 posts)
20. Thanks for the info....
Wed Jun 12, 2013, 10:49 PM
Jun 2013

It's just starting to roll in now. Lighting out over the lake right now...

 

Thor_MN

(11,843 posts)
21. Straight Line Winds were not trending well with focus groups.
Wed Jun 12, 2013, 10:56 PM
Jun 2013

Didn't generate enough fear, and more importantly, ratings. So bring on technical terms for weather that we have been experiencing forever. That's not to say that our weather isn;t getting more extreme, but hyping derecho is more about ratings than anything else.

justiceischeap

(14,040 posts)
42. The Derecho we had in DC about this time last year
Thu Jun 13, 2013, 06:09 AM
Jun 2013

wasn't about ratings. I was without power for close to a week. It did a lot of damage. I will give you that weather "news" has become more sensational of late but a derecho can be just as dangerous as a tornado. As a matter of fact, when the Derecho tore through here last year, I thought it was a precursor to a tornado.

 

Thor_MN

(11,843 posts)
50. I have been through two of them, lost a major tree with each. Neither were called derecho.
Thu Jun 13, 2013, 08:25 AM
Jun 2013

I'm talking a 3.5 foot diameter Ash and 5 foot diameter Maple. I know storms can be dangerous. I was without power for a week with the first until they hung a new transformer to replace the one my maple took out.

I never said the storm was about ratings, I said the word derecho is about ratings. My point is that the term has existed for 125 years, yet most people had not heard of it until this year. The storms have ALWAYS been there, but the term derecho is being hyped this year. One couldn't hear live media yesterday without encountering the word derecho.

Botany

(70,516 posts)
25. I went through one ... a Derecho .... last summer and it was a mother f***er
Wed Jun 12, 2013, 11:04 PM
Jun 2013

It killed many people and more died in the after effects of no power and no AC ....
one county east of me 4 seniors died.

Derecho are inland hurricanes caused by the increased energy in the atmosphere
because of global climate change. Trust me they are very real.

ohheckyeah

(9,314 posts)
26. We got hit with a derecho in Virginia
Wed Jun 12, 2013, 11:05 PM
Jun 2013

last year. Power out all over, trees down....it was a mess. We spent a number of nights in a motel that we lucked into. The second the power went out we made reservations. We were lucky enough for the motel to come up with a room for my parents and my brother shared the room with my husband and I. Most of the motels were sold out within 2 hours within a 60 mile radius.


Response to WCGreen (Original post)

frylock

(34,825 posts)
31. i'd never heard the word up until a week ago when a DUer made an odd reference..
Wed Jun 12, 2013, 11:30 PM
Jun 2013

i had to look it up, and now it's happening. I don't wanna live in this world anymore.

TorchTheWitch

(11,065 posts)
47. I've never heard of it either
Thu Jun 13, 2013, 07:07 AM
Jun 2013

And I've lived in the Mid-Atlantic region my whole life. Don't recall the weather folk ever using the word before.

Sounds to me like a new scary word that means the same thing as "high winds" "gale force winds" or whatever we've always heard before. Just another excuse to get people unnecessarily afraid as if this is some kind of new extra scary thing when it's the same crappy weather we've always had.

one_voice

(20,043 posts)
37. Got one headed toward us tomorrow...
Thu Jun 13, 2013, 12:02 AM
Jun 2013

one hit last year. The area my sister was in got messed up pretty bad. Good luck to you, stay safe.



I'm in the red zone

dipsydoodle

(42,239 posts)
39. Massive storm system surges toward Mid-Atlantic
Thu Jun 13, 2013, 05:30 AM
Jun 2013

CHICAGO (AP) — A massive storm system originally forecast to affect one in five Americans from Iowa to Maryland surged Thursday toward the Mid-Atlantic after largely failing to live up to its billing in ferocity through the Upper Midwest.

Authorities in Ohio reported early Thursday morning that high winds from possible tornadoes had damaged barns in the northwest and knocked out power in some areas in the center of the Buckeye State.

Meteorologists warned about the possibility of a weather event called a derecho (deh-RAY'-choh), which is a storm of strong straight-line winds spanning at least 240 miles.

By early Thursday, a derecho hadn't developed. And Greg Carbin of the National Weather Service's Storm Prediction Center in Norman, Okla., said, "With each hour that goes by, it's less likely."

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/massive-storm-system-surges-toward-mid-atlantic

AngryOldDem

(14,061 posts)
43. Take it seriously.
Thu Jun 13, 2013, 06:28 AM
Jun 2013

I was caught in the one that tore through the Midwest last summer, and it was one of the scariest experiences of my life.

We were doing genealogy research in a country church cemetery when I noticed the sky turning dark. No big deal, I thought -- looked like run-of-the-mill thunderstorm clouds. But then in a matter of minutes it got pitch black and the winds picked up to the point where it was hard to walk. We made it back to the car in time to watch roofing tear off a nearby building. A large metal trash can was picked up and thrown directly at the car (my side of the car) and the car was rocking. Honest to God, I thought it was a tornado.

Again -- this all happened in a matter of MINUTES.

We managed to get out onto the road, but it was blinding, driving rain. We drove away from it and saw all sorts of damage -- trees, mostly, but a barn got damaged and calves were wandering all over the road.

It's something I never want to experience again. Luckily, we avoided it yesterday.

Jamastiene

(38,187 posts)
46. They are no fun.
Thu Jun 13, 2013, 07:06 AM
Jun 2013

We get those in NC every summer, it seems. They cause straight line wind damage. In other words, they knock stuff down usually from west to east (here). Like all of the corn in a farmer's field will be knocked down in one direction or all the trees in an area will be knocked down in one direction. They are pretty severe at times. They can do some damage to houses as well. I wouldn't take them too lightly, but then again I have anemophobia (fear of wind/tornadoes/hurricanes). Even winds of anywhere from 30 mph or higher scare me at times. I literally get a cold chill down my spine when winds are higher than around 30 mph. Tonight, we are expecting severe thunderstorms with winds possibly in excess of 65 mph. It's going to be a long night. I hate that feeling of ice up and down my spine. It is pure torture.

WCGreen

(45,558 posts)
48. We turned off the computers for most of the night and made sure the cats
Thu Jun 13, 2013, 07:50 AM
Jun 2013

were in the laundry room in case something happened overnight...

Turns outs we had a lot of wind, some down limbs but nothing all that dramatic.

The cats gave us a scolding for denying them sleep cuddled in warm humans...

rightsideout

(978 posts)
51. We were without power for 4 days from last year's Derecho
Thu Jun 13, 2013, 08:46 AM
Jun 2013

We got hit in Maryland just outside DC. Some people couldn't get out of the neighborhood because of downed trees in the streets. We were without power for 4 days. I had a bunch of old golf cart batteries in the garage and used those for power.

I heard this line of thunderstorms isn't as wide as last year's (according to the Weather Channel) but it could spawn some tornados in the DC area. A tornado hit Woodbine Maryland a few days ago.

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