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Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
Thu Jun 13, 2013, 12:16 PM Jun 2013

Right-There's nothing new about PRISM.

We can debate forever the degree to which the NSA revelations are “old news.” In fact, I would attribute the origins of the Surveillance State back at least to the late 19th Century, when industrialists enlisted the Pinkerton Agency to fight the “Communist” American union movement.

Then, before and during World War II there was the Dies Committee, which morphed into HUAC after the war. And of course there were McCarthy’s infamous investigations in the Senate, and J. Edgar Hoover’s wildly out-of-control FBI with its moles, wiretaps, and worse. We know about the government’s illegal penetration of both the Civil Rights and antiwar movements of the 60’s.

And of course the Drug War that has been with us since the 70’s, and so on. And now it’s the PRISM scandal.

The point of all this spying, disruption and other nefarious government activity was never to protect us from hostile foreign interests. It was always intended to serve the purpose of quelling internal dissent, of preventing the masses from seizing power from their rich masters. As James Madison commented during the secret meetings that gave rise to the Consittution in 1787,

The landed interest, at present, is prevalent; but in process of time, when we approximate to the states and kingdoms of Europe, — when the number of landholders shall be comparatively small, through the various means of trade and manufactures, will not the landed interest be overbalanced in future elections, and unless wisely provided against, what will become of your government? In England, at this day, if elections were open to all classes of people, the property of landed proprietors would be insecure. An agrarian law would soon take place. If these observations be just, our government ought to secure the permanent interests of the country against innovation. Landholders ought to have a share in the government, to support these invaluable interests, and to balance and check the other. They ought to be so constituted as to protect the minority of the opulent against the majority.


Thus, it’s not like any of this stuff should be new to us. The Overlords have always employed whatever means they felt necessary to keep their grip upon the common people. Sometimes the steel fist has been bared, sometimes it has been cloaked in velvet, but it has always been there, ready to be summoned at need.

The new revelations about the lengths to which the government (and contracted private entities) has gone to maintain control over the population in this new digital age should come as no great surprise.

If we have a right to be surprised about anything, it is that this young Senator who campaigned on a platform of openness and transparency, who stood against violations of our civil rights in the past, has so readily bought into the supposed necessity of maintaining an ever more intrusive and powerful system of domestic surveillance and, having once lauded whistleblowers who exposed corruption and excesses, has now turned upon them, making himself an enemy of the unfettered truth.

Certainly, given the dynamics of international politics, any nation needs to conceal certain things, and may need to take certain steps to gather intelligence under the cloak of secrecy. But the default position should always be for openness, and the need for concealment should be clearly shown to outweigh other considerations before it is implemented.

And above all, this government has no right whatsoever to create and implement a massive policy of universal surveillance of its citizens such as has come to light in recent times. Such a system has an inevitable chilling effect upon democracy—first, by silencing speech and blocking free association, and second, by denying the public the information necessary to make informed electoral decisions.

And, truth be told, I am not surprised at these revelations. I am only profoundly disappointed.
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Right-There's nothing new about PRISM. (Original Post) Jackpine Radical Jun 2013 OP
Well said. And yes, I referenced the Pinkertons the other day. villager Jun 2013 #1
 

villager

(26,001 posts)
1. Well said. And yes, I referenced the Pinkertons the other day.
Thu Jun 13, 2013, 12:21 PM
Jun 2013

The NSA revelations are much more a direct link to what power, and its servants in government, were doing then, rather than simply being a "regrettable necessity" in terms of going back on yet another campaign promise.

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