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Robb

(39,665 posts)
Sat Jun 15, 2013, 07:25 AM Jun 2013

"No Fathers Day" Campaign launches.



Each Father's Day, Neil Heslin and his son, Jesse Lewis, used to go to a car show.

That tradition ended when 6-year-old Jesse was shot and killed at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn.

This Father's Day, Heslin, who has been active with other Sandy Hook parents in pushing for gun-control legislation, is giving his support to the No Father's Day campaign.

(snip)

Initiated by PICO National Network's Lifelines to Healing Campaign, the campaign asks participants to send e-cards to Congress, urging passage of legislation to create universal background checks and end gun trafficking.

The campaign features four different cards, each a scene of someone who no longer can celebrate Father's Day. One, for example, depicts a father holding a book as he sits on a child's empty bed. Another shows a bride, her arm extended, but there is no father to walk her down the aisle.

Read More: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/06/15/fathers-day-gun-campaign-children/2424647/



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"No Fathers Day" Campaign launches. (Original Post) Robb Jun 2013 OP
Wonderful. Igel Jun 2013 #1
"One person's life destroyed by freedom of speech isn't grounds for limiting freedom of speech." Arugula Latte Jun 2013 #2
It no longer surprises me to see reasonable requests to improve our world redqueen Jun 2013 #3
But freedom! Robb Jun 2013 #8
They call it "Value Judgements" and it goes over the head of so many because of emotions The Straight Story Jun 2013 #7
You say you empathize with him. Robb Jun 2013 #4
We'll be celebrating Father's Day in our family pintobean Jun 2013 #5
Their pain is the only pain REP Jun 2013 #6
Kick. nt Robb Jun 2013 #9

Igel

(35,311 posts)
1. Wonderful.
Sat Jun 15, 2013, 12:45 PM
Jun 2013

A campaign to make celebrating something to feel guilty of. We must empathy and mourn with another--one specific other--and our level of empathy is to be dictated.

I feel sorry for him and understand--even empathize with--how his life has been twisted and warped by a horrendous event beyond his control.

Oddly, I feel no reason to have my life twisted and warped by what happened to him. Nor to let the individual dictate to the demos.

One person's life destroyed by freedom of speech isn't grounds for limiting freedom of speech.

One person's life destroyed because law enforcement was forced to follow due process and was unable to stop a killer or child trafficker isn't grounds for drastically altering due process.

One person's life destroyed by the presumption of innocence in the courts, allowing a murderer to go free, isn't grounds for having a presumption of guilt in any case.

Same for gun control.

It's true, it's not just one person. It's many people. It's not at the tipping point for a democracy based in reason. This kind of stuff helps achieve a tipping point built on emotion--but emotions are transient and often misleading. (An emotion can be utterly "authentic" and rooted entirely in falsehood.)

 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
2. "One person's life destroyed by freedom of speech isn't grounds for limiting freedom of speech."
Sat Jun 15, 2013, 12:54 PM
Jun 2013

So mowing down children with a weapon is freedom of speech...What.The. Fuck.

redqueen

(115,103 posts)
3. It no longer surprises me to see reasonable requests to improve our world
Sat Jun 15, 2013, 12:59 PM
Jun 2013

met with such replies.

Background checks and curbing trafficking. Those are the goals.

The Straight Story

(48,121 posts)
7. They call it "Value Judgements" and it goes over the head of so many because of emotions
Sat Jun 15, 2013, 01:18 PM
Jun 2013

Like when someone says "Don't judge the many by the actions of the few" - IS that something you agree on or don't you?

If so then why judge the 99% of gun owners based on the less than 1%? And if you do - then how you could complain when others use those same values in other situations?

"My body, my choice" is something I think half of du'ers despise....but only when it is applied to choices they themselves hate; for me it was never about smoking in bars but the values behind limiting the freedom of others to do so....but so many miss that because they are not focused on values...probably because they don't really have those values in the first place and just use the phrase when it is convenient.

If people spent half as much time looking into the 'why' of people killing instead of blaming a tool that over 99 percent of people use in a legal way maybe we might make some headway into reducing deaths - but just like fundies we see everyone else as either sinners or terrorists and their only method of salvation is to give up rights to the few preachers in whom they trust.

There are already laws about taking guns into schools, shooting others, etc - and the person who did this crime didn't care one bit about any of them. We have good and reasonable laws in place that most all gun owners obey. Get back with me when you find any law that 100% of people will obey and you find a way to stop all crime of any kind....fact is that a small amount, say 0.4%, of people will always find ways to use x against people (look at the boston bombing, they didn't use guns - wonder if anyone there is going to have similar ads and talk about fireworks and pressure cookers? Probably not because most owners of such don't use them that way).


Robb

(39,665 posts)
4. You say you empathize with him.
Sat Jun 15, 2013, 01:02 PM
Jun 2013

Reading the rest of your post demands I ask what you think that word means.

 

pintobean

(18,101 posts)
5. We'll be celebrating Father's Day in our family
Sat Jun 15, 2013, 01:08 PM
Jun 2013

I'll visit my father's grave, and my daughter will let me know that she loves and appreciates me. My heart goes out anyone who can't celebrate the day due to a death.

Attempting to hijack a day of celebration seems like a bad strategy, to me.

REP

(21,691 posts)
6. Their pain is the only pain
Sat Jun 15, 2013, 01:15 PM
Jun 2013
This June 16, millions of Americans will spend the day celebrating dad, but for fathers who have lost children and children who have lost fathers – Father’s Day can be one of the hardest days of the year.


The 19th anniversary of my father's death at age 56 will be July 18. He died a particularly horrible death from bone cancer. He didn't shoot himself because he didn't want to invalidate his life insurance.

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