Ari Fleischer on CNN praising Obama

[pscot]

for continuing the Bush surveillance regime. The President and Dick Cheney are on the side of the Angels, according to Ari. Makes you proud, don't it?

[Whisp]

1. Ari is a lying piece of goat shit. That has been accepted knowledge here.

I think, I'm not so sure now lately.

The NSA is not the same NSA as it was in the Chimperor's day. CNN is pumping old and false news.

surprise.

[Fumesucker]

3. This is not your father's NSA

[usGovOwesUs3Trillion]

5. I think that is still well accepted here

sure they are a few who will come to his defense now, but they are a small, albeit vocal, minority.

[sabrina 1]

7. No, it's worse, which is why Ari likes it even more. In the Chimp's day it was necessary to

obtain a warrant before the collection of data. When Bush and his gang of criminals broke the law, we screamed for an investigation, impeachment, anything to try to stop them from destroying this country.

But instead, we got the 'retroactively revised' version of the FISA Bill, retroactive to protect Bush and the telecoms from prosecution.

How wonderful is it to be able to break the law and then have the US Congress (Obama had stated he would not vote for the revised bill, but sadly, he did), members of both parties, actually CHANGE the law, retroactively, to cover for your crimes.

The original bill wasn't great, secret courts are an anathema to any Democracy, but it was way better than the current version.

And now John Bolton has come out in praise of Obama, along with Peter King and the grand master of deceit and lies himself, Dick Cheney.

If only they had all been prosecuted for their crimes. But we had to 'move forward'.

AND btw, the President himself stated that he had 'kept Bush's policies' in his statement last week, so no, our new best friends from the old Bush war criminal club, are not wrong, they are happy that a Democrat has as the president said, 'kept Bush's policies'.

They must be all having a good laugh at us. We were so naive back in 2008.

[Cha]

10. Hey Whisp.. see my post..

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3045188

[usGovOwesUs3Trillion]

2. "all Americans that they need to watch what they say, watch what they do" Clinton

oops, no that was Ari...

Clinton just said, in regards to NSA spying that "Be Careful What You Put In Your Emails" if you are concerned with NSA spying. (VIDEO)

http://www.bloomberg.com/video/clinton-on-nsa-be-careful-what-s-in-your-emails-9kn0wqiYSiedbASmA8XYKw.html?cmpid=taboola.video
(around 2:50)

Spends a good long while trying to justify why we need to sacrifice a little liberty, for security... as he put it, "It is, what it is"

Be safe out there!

[Whisp]

9. Clinton, always helpful isn't he.

[AgingAmerican]

14. So Clinton mind controls Ari Fleischer too?

Amazing!!

[DJ13]

4. "One is known by the company they keep"

[Summer Hathaway]

30. Over the past year and a half that I have been here

I have seen DUers refer to Obama as arrogant, self-centered, stupid, in-over-his-head, hypocritical, too smart for his own good, spineless, unreliable, wishy-washy, indecisive, out-of-touch with the average American, egotistical - the list goes on.

And the Republicans agree wholeheartedly with all of those assessments.

So if you want to play the one is known by the company they keep game, you might want to consider who has consistently kept company with the GOP, and has mirrored their talking points without hesitation.

[BlueCaliDem]

31. Spot effing on! eom

[Summer Hathaway]

32. Thank you.

I am not particularly insightful.

But I am observant - and some things are just too obvious to be ignored by even the most unobservant among us.

[BlueCaliDem]

34. You're welcome.

The ragtag group of OWS and the still disenchanted PUMAs have infested this site to the point that it's almost unrecognizable. I've never read so many hate-filled posts against President Obama as I've seen here. I mean, even that Libertarian/Republican site, the HuffPo, has less vicious vitriol against President Obama than I've read here.

Perhaps this site should be renamed to Libertarian Underground because it's as if they're working extra hard to disenchant people against the Democratic Party while idolizing Glennie Greeniewald. Unbelievable.

[Floyd_Gondolli]

46. Spot. Fucking. On.

We have one member who is theorizing the government is watching us through hidden cameras in our TVs. Instead of being dismissed as a crackpot, her lunacy has become a sirens song to many many members here. It's actually quite sad to watch, though sometimes entertaining.

But yeah the site is a shadow of what it once was. A pathetic, sad, run down shadow.

[BlueCaliDem]

48. Thanks, Floyd.

I don't like what I'm seeing here at DU. But I won't give up on it. I won't let Libertarian/Rightwing-posing-as-Democrats trolls chase me away from here. I will stand and fight because I know we're in the majority both here as well as in our government and they are a LOUD and pathetic minority.

When I encounter them, I'm always reminded of 16th century English author William Baldwin's quote: "As empty vessels make the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest blabbers."

[DJ13]

45. Its about respect

Obama is getting more respect from some influential GOP'ers than a Democratic President should get.

If you have no problems with his acceptance and praise by the Right, thats up to you.

It bothers a great many people here.

[Summer Hathaway]

53. What an absolutely ridiculous notion

"Obama is getting more respect from some influential GOP'ers than a Democratic President should get."

Exactly how much respect should a Democratic president get? Is there some kind of measurement, some sliding scale somewhere? When do we know when it's too much, too little, or just the perfect amount?

Influential GOPers agreeing with something Obama (or any other Dem) has said or done has nothing to do with 'respect'. What it does have to do with is inciting gullible Democrats into believing that their president is actually on-side with Republicans, rather than his own party.

Sadly, the gullible abound here on DU.

[sabrina 1]

6. You can add Peter King, John Bolton and the Chief War Criminal himself, Dick Cheney.

Did anyone ever think back in 2008 when we were all so proud of winning back the WH and Congress, that this is how it would end up, with our choice for President being supported by the very people we worked so hard to defeat.

Surely when the President looks around and sees who's got his back on this, he must surely question what he has done wrong?

[Whisp]

11. If you can't see why and what they are doing

I can't help you. But it is working and you are falling for it with glee.

So now you believe those scumbags?

[sabrina 1]

15. I do see what they are doing. They are thanking a Democratic president who I have supported

for nearly ten years now, for 'keeping Bush's policies'. That is what he said. He has also appointed Republicans to his cabinet, the latest being FBI chief. Are there no Democrats he could find smart enough for these powerful positions?

If we had been told that after throwing Republicans out, our President would put them back in, he would not be president today. I don't vote for Republicans. If I wanted them in charge of the FBI, or as Directors of Intelligence, or Defense Secretary, or in any other position of power, I would vote Republican.

They are laughing at us, those of us who begged for their prosecution for the war crimes they committed. I can hear them say 'gotcha, you thought you won, didn't ya'? It's sickening, all of it and enough to make people understand those who have given up on both parties.

[sabrina 1]

19. Since 2004 when I first saw him at the Democratic Convention, through his Senate run and

then, very enthusiastically in 2008. Not so enthusiastically in 2012, but there was no other choice.

What is your problem with my comment? Are you calling me a liar? If so, do it directly. I do not support his appointment of Republicans, his refusal to open investigations into the criminal Bush gang, his policies regarding the neo con wars in Libya, Afghanistan, and now Syria. I do not support his position on SS.

And mostly I do not support his appointments of Republicans over Democrats to positions of power in his cabinet.

Iow, after supporting him for so long and in all three of his elections, I could not be more disappointed. I am joined in that disappointment by many of those who campaigned with me back in 2008 for his election.

Don't dare call me a liar unless you are prepared to prove it.

[Whisp]

25. I don't think I have seen much in the way of 'support' from you.

Lots of the opposite I recall very clearly. Maybe I have you mixed up with someone else tho, there are a lot of anti-Obama people here.

[sabrina 1]

26. I don't care what you saw or didn't see. Your opinions in general are not particularly on target

from my observations. Is this some kind of loyalty test? I don't do 'loyalty'. That's for Bush supporters.

You will not see much in support of policies that we voted to get rid of by me, meaning that for the past four years, despite overcoming my disappointment, like so many other Democrats and supporting this President in 2012, I have done MY job and criticized the President I wanted to see elected when he was wrong. Like appointing Republicans eg among other things. I do not believe I said otherwise, so your 'gotcha' attempt went nowhere.

When he gives me something to support, I will support him. Fyi, I have done that, but you see what you want to see. I like to see clearly, whether I want to see it or not.

I don't see you supporting many Democratic policies, but maybe I have you mixed up with someone else?

[Whisp]

27. I'll check with my pals.

I'm sure they will be interested in you saying that you supported the President since... since what year did you say?

[Skittles]

38. LOL....your pals

[SomethingFishy]

52. See this is the problem... I have not been "supportive" of Obama on DU

yet I voted for him twice and spent quite a bit of out of pocket money canvassing for him. In my mind, my vote and my time and money gives me every right to complain about things I don't like.

I'm thrilled that he's going for the Nuclear Arms reduction, and I'm on the fence about the ACA, we'll see in January. He mostly got out of Iraq and I feel he is sincere in wanting to get out of Afghanistan.

However, this President has allowed the Justice Dept to attack LEGAL medical marijuana in their pathetic War On Drugs. Anyone with half a brain can see the WOD is an epic failure. Obama has more than half a brain so why is he doubling down on it against the wishes of the voters?

What about the secret trade meetings? I'd love to know what back door deals we are making in these "secret trade meetings" but alas.. they are secret.

The NSA? Yeah I get it. Most of you don't care whether or not you are being watched. I however do care.

So tell me if you can, what exactly is it that takes away my right to complain about things I find wrong or offensive? Is it the fact that I voted for Obama? Is it the fact that I spent a couple months trying to convince others to vote for Obama? Or is it the fact that I disagree with you? I probably did more to get Obama elected than most of his "supporters"..

[Summer Hathaway]

33. It is obvious at this point

that the GOP have nothing to point to as an accomplishment, and they have nothing to offer as a viable alternative to this administration's policies.

They have thrown dozens of 'scandals' at the wall - Benghazi! The AP! The IRS! - hoping one would stick. So far, no good.

So there is one arrow left in the quiver: Characterize the Democratic president as being on their side, and NOT on the side of his own party.

So crazy, it just might work!

And for some here, that crazy scheme has worked incredibly well.

[Cha]

8. Yeah, like they don't a fucking agenda. They can read..

they see the shit out there ragging on the President.

Bet they didn't mention bush's was illegal and now it's not. And, all the safegaurds the President has put into place?

Didn't think so.

[Whisp]

13. isn't it amazing how people are so easily played...

Now Ari and the likes of those low lifes are telling the truth! yeh!

As long as it makes the President look bad, hey, why not.

and right from CNN yet!



lordy.

[sabrina 1]

20. Yes it is. Even more surprising when they will refuse to believe what everyone sees with their own

eyes. Explain to us again why Ari Fleischer, John Bolton, Peter King and Cheney would thank Obama in order to do, what?? He has kept Bush's people in the government, kept his 'terror' laws and policies going strong, appointed Republicans to his cabinet over Democrats, Clapper is a great friend of Bush eg, now Director of Intelligence. So they have good reason to praise him, he makes their policies acceptable to some on the Left, which they could not do.

So what is it you are trying to say? They are only pretending to love their own draconian terror laws and policies now?

[Whisp]

24. they would thank him just to please you

and you would gloat about it in the way you are.

Ari praises Obama, Ari bad, therefore Obama is bad too - I was right all along!

[sabrina 1]

29. How childish. And I thought CTs had their own forum here. Cheney is worried about what I might

do so he goes out of his way to do something I might like. Here's news for Cheney, he could give me a million dollar check and I would not take it OR like it, so he's wasting his time. But thanks for the laugh and further proof of how far people will go to avoid the issues and to desperately try to defend the indefensible.

I know how it feels. I did that, argued irrationally many times out of blind loyalty to Bill Clinton, for years, even went to right wing forums to fight with them on his behalf.

I was blind to what policies he was getting through. He was a Democrat and Republicans hated him and that blinded me to everything else.

Then one day I saw him with Bush whose supporters threatened me with death for my support for Clinton. And I heard Babs say 'he's like a son to us'! I was speechless. They were like old pals, these two who had so divided a nation.

And I grew up and learned that all that matters in politics is what they do, not what they say and since then I will never again go to bat for any politician unless s/he is standing up for the principles they claim to represent.

I hope one day you wake up too. It's liberating.

[Cha]

22. They're easily

played because they wanna be.

[HooptieWagon]

36. Or they're paid.

[pscot]

41. Screw that!

[AgingAmerican]

12. Col Klink

[JI7]

16. i'm not going to stop supporting same sex marriage because Cheney supports it also

and Snowden himself supported Ron Paul. didn't just agree on some issues, he wanted the man in power.

[sabrina 1]

21. You're equating support for same sex marriage, a Civil Rights Issue opposed as expected by Reps

and supported by Dems, to the biggest surveillance programs in history, also a Civil Rights issue, initiated and supported by Republicans and Opposed by Dems?? How does that work?

I support same sex marriage regardless of Cheney too, BECAUSE IT IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO.

I oppose the surveillance of the American people regardless of Cheney, BECAUSE IT IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO.

But if I found all those old Bush war criminals patting me on the back for agreeing with them on something most Democrats oppose, I would give some thought to what I am doing.

He now has Cheney, Bolton, Fleischer, King and Boehner and a few other Republicans, on his side. Most Progressive Dems otoh, oppose these programs.

That should cause him to wonder how he got on the wrong side of this issue. He USED to be against it too..

[Whisp]

28. hmmm.

[Poll_Blind]

18. The grand confederation of the Skeksis and their jester/protector, Ari. nt

PB

[BainsBane]

23. If that doesn't make folks think twice

Nothing will.

[Catherina]

44. +1 n/t

[HooptieWagon]

35. Are they praising him because he's black?

[leftynyc]

37. It actually makes me prouder

to be on the opposite side of Glennie Beck who LOVES Snowden. See, that works both ways.

[tridim]

39. No, but it sure sounds like you're proud of your pet Republican Obama basher.

[pscot]

42. You'll have to explain that

I have no idea what you mean.

[The Link]

40. Add Dan Senor. He loves that some of the programs have been expanded under Obama.

[tavalon]

43. Well, if I weren't already appalled, this would be appalling,

I think my appallometer is totally broken.

[uponit7771]

47. At some point this looks like winger pettiness and bashing

[stevenleser]

49. And Ann Coulter is criticizing it. Don't use logical fallacies like Guilt by Association

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/guilt-by-association.html

Fallacy: Guilt By Association

Also Known as: Bad Company Fallacy, Company that You Keep Fallacy

Description of Guilt By Association

Guilt by Association is a fallacy in which a person rejects a claim simply because it is pointed out that people she dislikes accept the claim. This sort of "reasoning" has the following form:

It is pointed out that people person A does not like accept claim P.
Therefore P is false
It is clear that sort of "reasoning" is fallacious. For example the following is obviously a case of poor "reasoning": "You think that 1+1=2. But, Adolf Hitler, Charles Manson, Joseph Stalin, and Ted Bundy all believed that 1+1=2. So, you shouldn't believe it."

[KamaAina]

50. The left-handedest compliment I've ever heard.

Or ever hope to hear.

[graham4anything]

51. Ari has ulterior motives as does CNN,which sabatoged Mike Dukakis, uber liberal in 1988

all being played like a broken record. We have seen this game so many times before

good thing though, no one is listening and by next week, 3 more scandals will have come and gone

because no Barack Obama supporter is fooled by this.

What next? A new birther scandal?
Something bad about Socks the cat?

oh so predictable.