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xchrom

(108,903 posts)
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 06:55 AM Jun 2013

Big Lie: America Doesn't Have #1 Richest Middle-Class in the World...We're Ranked 27th!

http://www.alternet.org/economy/americas-middle-class-27th-richest

America is the richest country on Earth. We have the most millionaires, the most billionaires and our wealthiest citizens have garnered more of the planet's riches than any other group in the world. We even have hedge fund managers who make in one hour as much as the average family makes in 21 years!

***SNIP

Why?

Here's a starter list:

We don't have real universal healthcare. We pay more and still have poorer health outcomes than all other industrialized countries. Should a serious illness strike, we also can become impoverished.

Weak labor laws undermine unions and give large corporations more power to keep wages and benefits down. Unions now represent less than 7 percent of all private sector workers, the lowest ever recorded.

Our minimum wage is pathetic, especially in comparison to other developed nations. (We're # 13.) Nobody can live decently on $7.25 an hour. Our poverty-level minimum wage puts downward pressure on the wages of all working people. And while we secure important victories for a few unpaid sick days, most other developed nations provide a month of guaranteed paid vacations as well as many paid sick days.


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Big Lie: America Doesn't Have #1 Richest Middle-Class in the World...We're Ranked 27th! (Original Post) xchrom Jun 2013 OP
America loves the rich and doesn't want them to do without... However they don't think that midnight Jun 2013 #1
They want you to pull yourself up by the bootstraps but they don't tell you hobbit709 Jun 2013 #2
Thats a fact hobbit sorefeet Jun 2013 #4
We have our winner. Brigid Jun 2013 #11
They also don't tell you that they own the bootstraps and you'll be paying handsomely to use them. Arkansas Granny Jun 2013 #14
It really wasn't like that in the early, mid-'70s deutsey Jun 2013 #5
I think we have ALEC to thank for this.. midnight Jun 2013 #6
along with the infamous Powell Memo deutsey Jun 2013 #8
"there were plenty of problems the "counter-culture" movements created" --what do you mean? nt raccoon Jun 2013 #23
Drug abuse, for one deutsey Jun 2013 #24
Everybody was legally drinking and Rx drugging leftstreet Jun 2013 #28
Last I checked, heroin was illegal, yeah. deutsey Jun 2013 #32
By the late '70s deutsey Jun 2013 #33
K & R marmar Jun 2013 #3
K&R abelenkpe Jun 2013 #7
27th in the World - Bar none!! byeya Jun 2013 #9
This message was self-deleted by its author mother earth Jun 2013 #10
K&R - Median statistics are way more meaningful than average/mean statistics. reformist2 Jun 2013 #12
The inevitable corruption of capitalism fasttense Jun 2013 #13
We have the most millionaires & billionaires. We also have the most people in prison. baldguy Jun 2013 #15
K&R. HughBeaumont Jun 2013 #16
This is the REAL news in America.. mountain grammy Jun 2013 #17
Is this news?...America, who, during the 1960's, had the largest middle class in the world, whathehell Jun 2013 #18
Well, it's not about the size of the middle class muriel_volestrangler Jun 2013 #20
K & R. nt historylovr Jun 2013 #19
Walmart nineteen50 Jun 2013 #21
And it's going downhill fast TakeALeftTurn Jun 2013 #22
The USA is not a "First World" nation and never has been. hunter Jun 2013 #25
Not too sure about the "never" part truebluegreen Jun 2013 #26
If the USA was "never" a first world nation, no other country ever was either. Quantess Jun 2013 #30
Thom Hartmann once said that if our current average incomes had stayed up with inflation Quixote1818 Jun 2013 #27
We're number on... I mean 27! YEAH! sakabatou Jun 2013 #29
K & R n/t glinda Jun 2013 #31

midnight

(26,624 posts)
1. America loves the rich and doesn't want them to do without... However they don't think that
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 07:14 AM
Jun 2013

the poor deserve a hand out and should work to pull themselves up and then when they become rich they will be rewarded with a better life....


hobbit709

(41,694 posts)
2. They want you to pull yourself up by the bootstraps but they don't tell you
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 07:16 AM
Jun 2013

that the boots are nailed to the floor.

deutsey

(20,166 posts)
5. It really wasn't like that in the early, mid-'70s
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 07:50 AM
Jun 2013

when I was growing up. It wasn't a golden age or anything and there were plenty of problems the "counter-culture" movements created, but the prevailing assumptions at the time reflected a much different view of the rich and what America mean than we have today.

The conservative Reaction that began in the mid-'70s and culminated with Reagan changed all that. Through lies, propaganda, distortion, manipulation, and intimidation, the right has done a smashingly good job of destroying what made this country better than it is now.

deutsey

(20,166 posts)
24. Drug abuse, for one
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 02:29 PM
Jun 2013

I grew up with a heroin addict who was very much a part of the countercultural zeitgeist.

It wasn't pleasant.

There were others, but I'm not able to list them now (I'm just doin a quick DU check-in). I'll try later when I have more time.

deutsey

(20,166 posts)
33. By the late '70s
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 06:15 AM
Jun 2013

the counter-culture had become more of a style and commodity, a reason for self-indulgence, than a movement.

I believe it emerged as a necessary rejection of the uber conformity of the '50s. It was liberating, energizing and ignited one of the most creative (artistically, politically, and socially) times of positive upheaval in a very long time in America and around the world. That's the reason the right is so desperate in its compulsion to ridicule and even erase the positive gains made during that time. Read "Making of a Counter Culture" by Theodore Roszak for a good analysis of the origin of that era.

However, by 1979 the energy and cohesion of that time was collapsing, in my opinion. In many ways, the counter culture had become a victim of its own success and was being co-opted by corporations as style and commodity (Tony Hendra in "Going Too Far" gives a good look at how this happened to "boomer humor"...starting off with the taboo-breaking edginess of Lenny Bruce, Richard Pryor, George Carlin, and National Lampoon, and ending with Saturday Night Live's descent into mediocrity and shock entertainment).

It had become more self-indulgent rather than self-actualizing. The activism of the early '70s was dwindling by the late '70s. Drugs (the illegal ones) had come to be used by and large just like the old conformist society used booze and pills. I saw from my working class experience that people weren't smoking pot as some sort of liberating thing...they were doing it to get stoned at parties. They were also drinking lots of alcohol. Some, like the person I grew up with, got addicted to harder drugs.

So what I mean by the problems these good and necessary movements caused was that the New Left and social liberation types of the time were unable to sustain and build on what they started into a viable alternative to traditional/corporate culture. So they got absorbed by that culture and what remained collapsed into itself, leaving a void that Reagan and his ilk were only too happy to fill.

abelenkpe

(9,933 posts)
7. K&R
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 07:54 AM
Jun 2013

Finacialization

Where making money from money is more important than providing goods and services.


This is what we should be focused on changing.

Response to xchrom (Original post)

reformist2

(9,841 posts)
12. K&R - Median statistics are way more meaningful than average/mean statistics.
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 08:31 AM
Jun 2013

We on the Dem side of things should *never* be caught talking about things like average net worth or per capita income or even aggregate stats like GDP, which skew heavily toward the rich and mask the near-poverty conditions which are increasingly the reality for a majority of Americans.
 

fasttense

(17,301 posts)
13. The inevitable corruption of capitalism
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 08:34 AM
Jun 2013

it leads to a handful of uber rich with everyone else in desperate straights. Reminds me of our last economic system - feudalism. It's very similar.

 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
15. We have the most millionaires & billionaires. We also have the most people in prison.
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 08:38 AM
Jun 2013

Any connection?

HughBeaumont

(24,461 posts)
16. K&R.
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 08:51 AM
Jun 2013

Trapitalism and Plutonomy can eat all the dicks. If life doesn't get fairer really damned soon, only the wealthy will have one. The rest of us will only exist at their behest.

mountain grammy

(26,624 posts)
17. This is the REAL news in America..
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 09:10 AM
Jun 2013

The "land of opportunity" is no more! Let's hear this news on the "news" every day. This is 30 years of Reagonomics. Guess morning is over.

whathehell

(29,067 posts)
18. Is this news?...America, who, during the 1960's, had the largest middle class in the world,
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 09:38 AM
Jun 2013

now has one of the smallest. I thought that was widely known, at least on this board.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,321 posts)
20. Well, it's not about the size of the middle class
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 09:53 AM
Jun 2013

It's about the median wealth. There's nothing in this about how broadly you define the sector in each country.

For what it's worth:

So who counts as middle class?

According to organisations like the United Nations and the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD), it's someone who earns or spends $10 to $100 per day.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-22956470


So if your household income is above $36,500 per person, you are above middle class, internationally.

The paper which seems to have been taken as the basis for the definition is here: http://www.oecd.org/dev/44457738.pdf

It says (2009 figures):
USA: 230 million middle class
EU: 450 million
rest of North America: 108 million
rest of Europe (which I think includes Russia): 214 million
Japan: 125 million
Whole world: 1845 million

It points out:

The numbers of the global middle class hide the differences in purchasing power. The
range for what constitutes a middle class consumer is quite broad, so someone in the Chinese
middle class does not spend as much as someone in the US middle class. The data bear this out.
The North American middle class accounts for substantially more of global spending than its
population share, while the reverse is true of Asia’s middle class. The US is home to 12 per cent
of the world’s middle class in terms of absolute numbers of people, but it accounts for
USD4.4 trillion (21 per cent) of the USD21 trillion in global spending by middle class consumers.
The difference is because the US middle class is much wealthier than the average global middle
class consumer.

hunter

(38,317 posts)
25. The USA is not a "First World" nation and never has been.
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 03:29 PM
Jun 2013

We're a developing nation with a huge military and a wealthy ruling elite.

There's always been a large underclass in the USA largely a consequence of racism, misogyny, authoritarianism, fundamentalism, political corruption and other repugnant national traits.

Our nation first achieved "wealth" by genocide and slavery, and in the modern world by our control of the international oil markets, often by military force, propaganda, sabotage, and financial or political disruption.

 

truebluegreen

(9,033 posts)
26. Not too sure about the "never" part
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 03:44 PM
Jun 2013

but I can't argue with the rest of it. Interesting perspective, thank you.

Quantess

(27,630 posts)
30. If the USA was "never" a first world nation, no other country ever was either.
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 05:28 PM
Jun 2013

However, your other points are valid.

Quixote1818

(28,946 posts)
27. Thom Hartmann once said that if our current average incomes had stayed up with inflation
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 05:11 PM
Jun 2013

what we made in the 1980's would be around $80,000 today. Hum, I wonder what happened in the 1980's that set the trend downward?
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