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Snowden's revelations are causing outrage in the US. In the UK, Hague deploys a police-state defence and the media is silenced
Simon Jenkins
The Guardian, Wednesday 19 June 2013
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William Hague told the Commons that every intercept had to be personally signed by him. Link to video: NSA Prism programme: William Hague makes statement on GCHQ
On Monday the Guardian carried a story that British intelligence had spied on delegates at two G20 summits, those chaired by Gordon Brown in 2009. Laptops and mobile phones had been hacked, and internet cafes installed and bugged. With many of the same heads of government gathering for the G8 summit in Northern Ireland, the story was, to put it mildly, sensational.
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... The source was the American whistleblower, Edward Snowden, whose revelations about the US National Security Agency had been running in the Guardian and Washington Post for a week. It was initially hinted at by other British media but was covered by a D-notice (warning against publishing anything that could damage national security) from the government.
It vanished from general view. When the foreign secretary, William Hague, was questioned by the BBC on Monday, no mention was made of the affair. The media has been bidden to ignore the story and has done so. This was despite it running in leading newspapers round the world, from America and Europe to China and Russia.
Complaints at the bugging from governments in Turkey, South Africa and Germany have poured into the Foreign Office, yet the nearest British journalists can get to the story is to report the protests as foreign news.
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What matters here is first the mendacity. I see no problem in exchanging data between British and American security except where, as in the NSA's Prism program, it is a device to circumvent legal constraint. There may be few people in Washington or London who really seek a global data empire through blackmailing the world's population; but hoovering intelligence on millions of private individuals extends far beyond the needs of national security, beyond the needs even of normal police work. The war on terror is rotting the internal organs of free states.
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jun/19/uk-response-to-nsa-story-back-off-shut-up
Yeah! Looks like the UK has even more transparency than we do!
frylock
(34,825 posts)so suck it up, buttercup!
Catherina
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Catherina
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MoD serves news outlets with D notice over surveillance leaks
BBC and other media groups issued with D notice to limit publication of information that could 'jeopardise national security'
Josh Halliday
The Guardian, Monday 17 June 2013 20.54 BST
It is not clear what impact the censorship warning has had on media coverage of Snowdens revelations relating to British intelligence. Photograph: Handout/Reuters
Defence officials issued a confidential D notice to the BBC and other media groups in an attempt to censor coverage of surveillance tactics employed by intelligence agencies in the UK and US.
Editors were asked not to publish information that may "jeopardise both national security and possibly UK personnel" in the warning issued on 7 June, a day after the Guardian first revealed details of the National Security Agency's (NSA) secret Prism programme.
The D notice, which was marked "private and confidential: not for publication, broadcast or use on social media", was made public on the Westminster gossip blog, Guido Fawkes. Although only advisory for editors, the self-censorship system is intended to prevent the media from making "inadvertent public disclosure of information that would compromise UK military and intelligence operations and methods".
The warning was issued by defence officials in the UK as the BBC, ITN, Sky News and other newspapers and broadcasters around the world covered the surveillance revelations disclosed by the NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden. The leaks, reported extensively in the Guardian and also the Washington Post, have made headlines on both sides of the Atlantic for more than a week.
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/17/defence-d-bbc-media-censor-surveillance-security
magellan
(13,257 posts)Was very surprised when they went all but silent on this story after the summit spying revelations. Then we discovered a D-Notice had been sent to the UK press. They don't have to stop talking about it, they're just "urged" not to report anything that might harm national security. Which means, yeah, STFU.
Now in fairness, I've found the UK press to be far more transparent and free than ours on most issues. I don't even bother watching anything but the local news anymore, and that only for the weather.
But this was a little jarring. I had no idea the UK could shut a story down with a formal notice.
Of course here, censorship happens without notice.
Catherina
(35,568 posts)since I rely on my excellent twitter feed when there's big news, but in retrospect, now I realize, I didn't see the BBC rolling across. That is jarring.
Nice comment to that story
"Although none of these recent articles has contravened any of the guidelines contained within the defence advisory notice system, the intelligence services are concerned that further developments of this same theme may begin to jeopardise both national security and possibly UK personnel."
Yeah right.
They got caught and are royally pissed off.
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The D notice shows the Snowden's allegations are watertight, GCHQ must be going nuts wondering what else he has in the pipeline. It is SO delicious I need a day off to fully enjoy it. They are so conceited in their righteousness is is truly sickening while they spy on everyone, even folk who should be immune for excellent diplomatic reasons. They got caught spying red handed, and their only defence is to cover it up. Not to say they may have gone a bit overboard and will not do it again. Oh not on your proverbial nelley. They REALLY do not see what is wrong with this, they really don't. Maybe we need to put it in terms an Old Etonian would understand. If two boys were making out and a teacher were to see it, would he be expected to ignore it? I think not. Maybe we need to phrase it in terms they understand.
http://discussion.guardian.co.uk/comment-permalink/24398330
magellan
(13,257 posts)I love reading and listening to Brits tear a subject down to its nuts and bolts. Prolly why I married one.
Catherina
(35,568 posts)I liked the part about putting it in terms they can understand Especially on the heels of the Jimmy Savile scandal
magellan
(13,257 posts)I expect the Guardian will keep right on poking the hornet's nest since a lot of it won't have to do with GCHQ (I'm guessing). And that's not a bad thing. It's also driving readership in a positive way for them. I've always liked the Guardian.
Oh now, Catherina, you know the apparatus isn't put in place to catch the elite at their little "games". It's just us peons they're interested in keeping tabs on.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)I mean they are after all a junior partner in the Empire.
Catherina
(35,568 posts)Marr
(20,317 posts)spy on each others' populations, and simply pass the information freely between the two? I mean, spying on foreigners is perfectly legal.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Here you go.
http://www.eastcountymagazine.org/node/13410
The whole editorial only scratches the history.
Marr
(20,317 posts)Seems pretty damned relevant to this whole NSA spying issue.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)And still gathering more material.
Why when I am accused of not knowing this shit I laugh.
Jarla
(156 posts)I've been thinking for days that all those legal protections in place for American citizens are probably irrelevant because our government can just circumvent them by having the UK officially do the spying.
Catherina
(35,568 posts)This is all also a real blow to the edge the US and UK managed to keep over other nations after we both dumped manufacturing exports. Banana wars, aerospace contracts, student uprisings after targeting universities, the whole thing just got dealt a real blow.
Echelon spy network revealed
Listening in to your phone calls and reading your emails
By Andrew Bomford of BBC Radio 4's PM programme
Imagine a global spying network that can eavesdrop on every single phone call, fax or e-mail, anywhere on the planet.
It sounds like science fiction, but it's true.
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Two of the chief protagonists - Britain and America - officially deny its existence. But the BBC has confirmation from the Australian Government that such a network really does exist and politicians on both sides of the Atlantic are calling for an inquiry.
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Every international telephone call, fax, e-mail, or radio transmission can be listened to by powerful computers capable of voice recognition. They home in on a long list of key words, or patterns of messages. They are looking for evidence of international crime, like terrorism.
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Journalist Duncan Campbell has spent much of his life investigating Echelon. In a report commissioned by the European Parliament he produced evidence that the NSA snooped on phone calls from a French firm bidding for a contract in Brazil. They passed the information on to an American competitor, which won the contract.
"There's no safeguards, no remedies, " he said, "There's nowhere you can go to say that they've been snooping on your international communications. Its a totally lawless world."
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/503224.stm
backscatter712
(26,355 posts)And the Five Eyes are the U.S., the UK, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand.
They all spy on each other, then share the intelligence. So much for the Fourth Amendment!
It's like the Five Families from the Godfather.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)This is different than the NSA phone record collection issue and PRISM. I'm sorry, but intercepting the communications of foreign officials is not a scandal.
Jarla
(156 posts)And I suspect that the there are no restrictions to the GCHQ spying on American citizens. And, since they are such great friends with the NSA, they are probably happy to pass their intel along.
It means that our fourth amendment protections may be entirely irrelevant.
Catherina
(35,568 posts)Defence Ministry Warns Against Leaks on Joint US-Brit Spying
Warning follows exposé of UK cooperation in massive warrantless US government electronic spying
FRIDAY, JUNE 7, 2013
A British Defense Ministry press advisory committee, reacting to a flurry of revelations in the American press about massive warrantless US government electronic surveillance programs, quietly warned UK organizations Friday not to publish British national security information.
Defiance of the advisory could make British journalists vulnerable to prosecution under the Official Secrets Act.
The June 7 "DA-Notice," or Defence Advisory Notice, which was itself confidential, accepted that the U.S. National Security Agency was sharing information gleaned from the surveillance programs with its British counterparts, and said UK intelligence organizations were worried about revelations of their own roles in the programs
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The notice itself was marked "Private and Confidential: Not for publication, broadcast or use on social media."
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The worry is that British authorities may be preparing to pursue reporters through the courts if they publish details on UK participation in the massive US electronic surveillance programs, code-named "PRISM" and "BLARNEY," according to a report in The Washington Post.
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http://www.andmagazine.com/content/phoenix/13003.html
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Oh wait, I was not supposed to mention that.
Catherina
(35,568 posts)but all of this is more proof for them