What Snowden Can Expect

[warrprayer]

... the opinion of retired N.S.A. members -

Q: What should Edward Snowden expect now?

Binney: Well, first of all, I think he should expect to be treated just like Bradley Manning (an Army private now being court-martialed for leaking documents to WikiLeaks). The U.S. government gets ahold of him, that's exactly the way he will be treated.

Q: He'll be prosecuted?

Binney: First tortured, then maybe even rendered and tortured and then incarcerated and then tried and incarcerated or even executed.
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http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/06/16/snowden-whistleblower-nsa-officials-roundtable/2428809/

This is coming from that leftie commie rag "U.S.A. Today". So much for the bleating of the "He is a coward for going to Hong Kong" Statist goosesteping crowd. It wasn't cowardly. It was plain common damn sense.

[VanillaRhapsody]

1. If that were true...why is Binney still alive or untortured?

[warrprayer]

3. probably because

the scope of information revealed is nowhere close.

[VanillaRhapsody]

2. oh and Manning is Military

they are held to a different standard...

My father was military and military justice is much different than civilian justice.

[warrprayer]

5. not to mention

Binney's life was destroyed, he is in debt up to his rear in legal fees and works an hourly job now.

[OilemFirchen]

4. Good grief.

"First tortured, then maybe even rendered and tortured and then incarcerated and then tried and incarcerated or even executed. "

Maybe in the Bush NSA, where Binney worked. I'm happy that he's talking. Sounds like we need to learn more about Binney.

[warrprayer]

6. Bradley Manning

don't know, but being locked naked in solitary for months and sleep deprivation was torture last time I checked. Thanks for the post! BTW I voted for Obama twice. I worked as a volunteer in the '08 campaign. The second time I was voting against Rmoney.

[G_j]

7. US accused of inhumane treatment

http://m.democracynow.org/stories/13686

AMY GOODMAN: Among the protesters outside Fort Meade, Maryland, on Saturday was Sarah Shourd. She was jailed for 14 months in Iran after she and two other Americans, Shane Bauer and now her husband—who is now her husband, and Josh Fattal, were detained by Iranian border forces on July 31st, 2009, for allegedly hiking across the Iraqi border into Iran, which they don’t believe is the case. She spoke to Al Jazeera from the protest.

SARAH SHOURD: My name is Sarah Shourd. I’m an author and an advocate against the use of solitary confinement. And I was held as a political hostage by the Iranian government for 410 days in solitary confinement, along with my now-husband Shane Bauer and my friend Josh Fattal.

Bradley Manning doesn’t deserve to be in prison. And I know what it’s like to sit in a prison cell and know that you don’t deserve to be there. Bradley Manning was held for nine months in extreme conditions of solitary confinement, very similar to my own conditions in Iranian prison. We were both under lockdown 23 hours a day, with—under sensory deprivation. There’s really no way to describe the depth of loneliness. You really just have to get through one day at the time, and every day is a monumental task.

But the fact that people are coming out for Bradley Manning—and I’m sure he knows about it, word will get to him—I’m sure will give him the strength that he needs and help remind him that a lot of people really appreciate what he did for our country and for the world. It’s a level of bravery and heroism that really takes—takes me aback.

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http://www.amnesty.org/en/news-and-updates/us-accused-inhumane-treatment-over-wikileaks-soldier-case-2011-01-24

US accused of inhumane treatment over Wikileaks soldier case

Amnesty International has urged the US authorities to alleviate the harsh pre-trial detention conditions of Bradley Manning, the soldier accused of leaking information to Wikileaks.

The US army private, 23, has been held for 23 hours a day in a sparsely furnished solitary cell and deprived of a pillow, sheets, and personal possessions since July 2010.

Amnesty International last week wrote to the US Defence secretary, Robert Gates, calling for the restrictions on Bradley Manning to be reviewed. In the same week, the soldier suffered several days of increased restrictions by being temporarily categorised as a "suicide risk".

"We are concerned that the conditions inflicted on Bradley Manning are unnecessarily severe and amount to inhumane treatment by the US authorities," said Susan Lee, Amnesty International’s Programme Director for the Americas.

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http://mobile.rawstory.com/therawstory/#!/entry/amnesty-international-condemns-inhumane-treatment-of-bradley-manning,514aa81cd7fc7b56707a19b9

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[warrprayer]

8. wish I could rec

your post

[OilemFirchen]

9. And the rendering? The execution?

Notwithstanding that, as was mentioned, he's military.

Binney's NSA was different, and thanks to him (and others) laws were passed to ameliorate many, if not all of Bush's heinous practices. Why he so categorically states that those practices continue today is anyone's guess. There's certainly no evidence of it.

I voted for Obama twice, as well. I also like pizza.

[warrprayer]

11. they don't make pizza

... like they used to. I remember a movie theatre that had been around since the days of vaudeville. They had this wonderful pizza - light, flaky crust with stringy bubbly thick tangy cheese...

[OilemFirchen]

15. We've had an influx of Russian Turks into the neighborhood

One family opened a pizza joint across the street, and, though the sauce and toppings are rather generic, their crust is fantastic. Based on a traditional Turkish bread, which they also sell.

[OilemFirchen]

10. BTW, Blinney called Snowden a "traitor" several days ago.

So it would be unwise to assume that he's predicting this for Hero Snowden, King of Whistleblowers, if that's where anyone's going.

[warrprayer]

12. please provide link

of Blinney calling Snowden traitor. not that I don't believe you...

[OilemFirchen]

13. 'Kay

Q: There's a question being debated whether Snowden is a hero or a traitor.

Binney: Certainly he performed a really great public service to begin with by exposing these programs and making the government in a sense publicly accountable for what they're doing. At least now they are going to have some kind of open discussion like that.

But now he is starting to talk about things like the government hacking into China and all this kind of thing. He is going a little bit too far. I don't think he had access to that program. But somebody talked to him about it, and so he said, from what I have read, anyway, he said that somebody, a reliable source, told him that the U.S. government is hacking into all these countries. But that's not a public service, and now he is going a little beyond public service.

So he is transitioning from whistle-blower to a traitor.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/06/16/snowden-whistleblower-nsa-officials-roundtable/2428809/

[warrprayer]

14. gud enuf.

point taken. Touche'!!!

[backscatter712]

16. In civilian jails, they also declare you "suicidal", throw you in solitary and strip you naked.

It's one of the pigs' favorite ways of humiliating prisoners.

Of course they're going to do this to Snowden if he's extradited to the U.S. They DID exactly that to Manning.

[Catherina]

17. +1 They will do much worse to Snowden. Manning only revealed low level diplomatic chatter

Manning only revealed low level diplomatic chatter, nothing above secret.

Snowden went straight to the heart of the machine and revealed the existence and breadth of a Top Secret program, that was hoovering the word's communications on scientific discoveries, trade secrets, underhanded espionage to give US companies unfair advantages in international contracts... everything man. And all over the world, people are looking for alternatives to US services like Google. We can kiss cloud storage, or our guarantees to the international business community that anything they stored there was under the utmost security, goodbye too.

If they're doing what they're doing to Manning for releasing low level stuff that only caused a little embarrassment, Snowden's in for so much worse. Snowden can't even have a trial because of the sensitivity of the information.

[backscatter712]

18. And yet the authoritarian shills and character assassins claim that's conspiracy theory...