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CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 05:23 PM Jun 2013

So, my hero, Paul Krugman, got a little sloshed in Paris and...

well, here's his latest blog at the NTY...(did I tell you how much I Dr. Krugman?)


How Are These Times Different?

Ah, Paris! You walk for miles and miles — it’s still, after all these years, a spectacularly beautiful city. Then you have as traditional a meal as possible at an old-fashioned bistro, washed down with lots of wine.

And you feel like hell the next morning. Blogging may be a bit limited.

But I’m still thinking about the conference I was just at, and my own reactions. It was a business-y affair, and like all the economics/business conferences I’ve attended, it was full of speakers declaring that everything is different, nothing you learned from the past is relevant, and so on. Hey, I understand — people attend such conferences in large part to get shaken out of their routines, and don’t want curmudgeons telling them that there’s nothing new under the sun.

So I’m kind of an outlier, since when it comes to macro issues I am pretty much a curmudgeon, someone who thinks that the similarities between our time and the 90s in Japan or the 30s everywhere are a lot more important than the differences. But obviously things do change over the decades. And this morning I find myself wondering, how are these times different?

full article here: http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/06/19/how-are-these-times-different/


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So, my hero, Paul Krugman, got a little sloshed in Paris and... (Original Post) CTyankee Jun 2013 OP
It stays light out 'til about 11 pm there this time of year BeyondGeography Jun 2013 #1
Great! I gotta go back. I was there in 2011...it IS fabulously beautiful... CTyankee Jun 2013 #2
Anything more than two glasses and I feel it the next day BeyondGeography Jun 2013 #3
Yep. 2 glasses over a long meal is not much. That was (is) my metric in Europe, where I go CTyankee Jun 2013 #10
But a bottle or two... pinboy3niner Jun 2013 #4
It's a deal, pinboy, if we can do it! CTyankee Jun 2013 #7
what he's describing is what we all called "the information economy" back in the 90s phantom power Jun 2013 #5
I understand why the President didn't appoint Krugman to his cabinet MNBrewer Jun 2013 #6
I really do GET PK's objection to being in Obama's administration. It is good that he puts a CTyankee Jun 2013 #8
Thank goodness for Krugman. MNBrewer Jun 2013 #9
Oh, as austerity's reputation has dimmed, his fortunes have gone up, but just not CTyankee Jun 2013 #11
You hit the nail on the proverbial political whitehouse appointing head BrainMann1 Jun 2013 #14
Guess Obama doesn't "love" Dr. Krugman nt treestar Jun 2013 #17
K & R !!! WillyT Jun 2013 #12
incredible city. I felt it was magic when I was there in 2011. I'm going back asap... CTyankee Jun 2013 #13
Um, it's not about Paris ... Scuba Jun 2013 #15
Yes, Dr. K has a column in today's NYT that re-states that very clearly. CTyankee Jun 2013 #18
k and r Berlum Jun 2013 #16

BeyondGeography

(39,377 posts)
1. It stays light out 'til about 11 pm there this time of year
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 05:38 PM
Jun 2013

Being in Paris right now is making the most of your life, yes.

A little musical accompaniment, please:

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
2. Great! I gotta go back. I was there in 2011...it IS fabulously beautiful...
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 05:43 PM
Jun 2013

I had to laugh at his wine comment. If anything, wine in Europe causes LESS problems because they don't have those additives we have...a glass or two of it with dinner won't make you feel like hell the next day...

BeyondGeography

(39,377 posts)
3. Anything more than two glasses and I feel it the next day
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 05:50 PM
Jun 2013

I used to drink the plastic bottles as a student for three or four francs apiece. The French were justifiably appalled but, hey, it was their wine.

I haven't done Paris right since 2005 (lived there for three years as a student many moons ago). It's getting to be that time again. The city is man's best attempt at beauty for the benefit of all. Very moving, just the thought of it.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
10. Yep. 2 glasses over a long meal is not much. That was (is) my metric in Europe, where I go
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 07:12 PM
Jun 2013

once a year...

Paris was beyond my imagination when I was there in 2011. I remember walking from the Louvre to the Musee d'Orsay and how lovely it all was....

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
4. But a bottle or two...
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 05:56 PM
Jun 2013


I haven't been there in decades, but it is a magical city. This time next year I'll met you at La Tour Eiffel...

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
7. It's a deal, pinboy, if we can do it!
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 07:04 PM
Jun 2013

Actually, I do have plans to be there on my way back from the South of France in the fall of 2014....

phantom power

(25,966 posts)
5. what he's describing is what we all called "the information economy" back in the 90s
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 05:58 PM
Jun 2013

Actually manufacturing anything would become highly commoditized, and the "real" asset would become designs, blueprints, content, etc.

Where that would leave the vast majority of people looking for work was usually ignored, or treated with a lot of handwaving.

MNBrewer

(8,462 posts)
6. I understand why the President didn't appoint Krugman to his cabinet
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 07:01 PM
Jun 2013

I mean, it would be unseemly for Barack Obama to appear to be an overt Democrat. It's not like those of us who voted for him were hoping for change.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
8. I really do GET PK's objection to being in Obama's administration. It is good that he puts a
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 07:08 PM
Jun 2013

distance between himself and Obama. It gives him his freedom to criticize even tho he has been largely in favor of Obama's policies. We need an honest "policeman" on the economy and I trust Dr. K to be that for us...

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
11. Oh, as austerity's reputation has dimmed, his fortunes have gone up, but just not
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 07:38 PM
Jun 2013

enough at the government level. I think some people MUST be wising up in the Obama
administration and I am hopeful that they will say "enough" to this damaging austerity policy and try for another stimulus for jobs...

BrainMann1

(460 posts)
14. You hit the nail on the proverbial political whitehouse appointing head
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 08:01 PM
Jun 2013

Krugman diffinantly Kruman
Krugman main man Kruman ( As said in Rain Man)

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
15. Um, it's not about Paris ...
Fri Jun 21, 2013, 06:17 AM
Jun 2013
There are a couple of obvious implications from this change in the nature of corporate success. One is that profits are no longer anything remotely resembling a “natural” aspect of the economy; they’re very much an artifact of antitrust policy or the lack thereof, intellectual property policy, etc. Another is that a lot of what we consider output is “produced” at low or zero marginal cost.



emphasis mine

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
18. Yes, Dr. K has a column in today's NYT that re-states that very clearly.
Fri Jun 21, 2013, 07:50 AM
Jun 2013

I read him every day and esp. like his online blogs. Altho he gets wonky at times, he at least acknowledges that and tries to get to the heart of the matter than even non-economists can understand. I had one Econ course in grad school and that damn near drove me out of my mind. Krugman has a heart and I think he has gotten more and more progressive as time goes on.

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