'Rage Against the Machine' Guitarist Tom Morello -- I'll Pay for Edward Snowden's Escape Flight

[DesMoinesDem]

Tom Morello's so pissed about the worldwide search for Edward Snowden that he's willing to foot the bill to help the man behind the NSA leaks escape the U.S. government.

We brought up the Snowden scandal to Rage Against the Machine's guitarist last night ... and he absolutely unloaded on the Obama administration, and recommended Snowden -- who's been charged with espionage and theft of government property -- never return to the U.S.

Morello explained, "I think he should live a happy life in Ecuador. That's what I think. I think he's a hero."

He added, "He exposed the crimes of the government. That we're all being spied on. all the time by the Obama administration? If anybody deserves to be in jail ... it's not Snowden."

Video: http://www.tmz.com/2013/06/25/tom-morello-edward-snowden-nsa-leaks/

[Scuba]

1. Tom helping us Rock the Vote in Wisconsin last year ....

[ReRe]

77. Thanks Scuba for the great photo of Tom in Wis! n/t

[Segami]

133. +1

[JI7]

2. why doesn't he move to ecuador himself to avoid being spied on by Obama

[Hissyspit]

3. Because he would rather stay in the country he cares about and help it live up to

it's potential?

I don't know that's true. Just guessing.

"Love It or Leave It?" Really?

[JI7]

5. same advice he gave snowden

[RetroLounge]

15. Same advice the right wing gives everyone else

You might want to rethink your logic.

RL

[JI7]

17. that's why i mentioned ecuador specifically which he seems to think

is worth going to . it shows he isn't very informed considering what is going on with press freedom there.

[ForgoTheConsequence]

19. And neither do you.

In fact I'm guessing you couldn't even find Ecuador on a map until this whole thing started. All of a sudden the boot lickers are experts on Russia, Hong Kong, and Latin American human rights.

[JI7]

20. you really think human rights around the world ,e specially in China and Russia is some little known

matter, especially among those who come on a political board ?

just because you don't know anything about it doesn't mean others don't.

[ForgoTheConsequence]

23. Anyone can flap their gums on the internet.

Tom isn't an idiot, he has a Political Science degree from Harvard, and his mother is a very famous human rights crusader.


I'm not an expert but that fact that you can't tell the difference between mainland China and Hong Kong is pretty telling.

[think]

29. Didn't know that.

Thank you

[ForgoTheConsequence]

32. Ironically he has a lot of similarities to Obama.

Half Kenyan
Harvard grad
Roots in Illinois.


He a pretty smart dude, more than just a rock star.





Also I advise anyone on the left who doesn't know Tom's mom to read about her, she's a remarkable woman.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Morello

His dad is pretty amazing too, a Kenyan revolutionary who was a delegate to the United Nations.

Tom comes from good stock.

[JI7]

57. then he has no excuse for his ignorant comments on ecuador

[ForgoTheConsequence]

60. He didn't make a statement on Ecuador.

Reading comprehension, get into it.

"I think he should live a happy life in Ecuador."

That's not a statement on Ecuador, its a statement on Snowden. He's saying that he's entitled to a happy life.

[JI7]

62. and he mentioned Ecuador because he has issues with the US , maybe he should read up on Ecuador

or maybe he thinks snowden will get special treatment there.

[ForgoTheConsequence]

63. You're talking out of your ass.

He mentioned Ecuador because that's one of the countries in the news, one of the possible places he could end up. Give it a rest, you're looking pathetic here.

[JI7]

66. exactly, and he thinks it's a good place to go while complaining about the US

just my point .

[HangOnKids]

106. Have you ever been out of the US?

Tell us about your travels because you are sounding quite ridiculous.

[RetroLounge]

150. You have no point

But please, proceed...



RL

[Enthusiast]

123. PLUS ONE! nt

[Logical]

128. Capital letters and periods broke on your keyboard! n-t

[Nanjing to Seoul]

73. I have a Poli Sci dual BA from Arizona and getting my Poli Sci PhD from Johns Hopkins

Yet everyone I come in contact with on this site and in public thinks I'm a drooling, idiotic vegetable that knows nothing about anything.

I guess fame does make someone smarter.

Love Tom Morello to death, but my PhD will trump his BA, but because he's famous, he gets more credence in his opinions.

[ForgoTheConsequence]

83. His family history helps his credibility.

There aren't "my dad is a Kenyan revolutionary and UN ambassador" and "my mom is a well respected civil rights activist" courses that you can take at university.

[HiPointDem]

101. great-nephew of jomo kenyatta as well.

[Nanjing to Seoul]

114. I guess I should give up getting my doctorate then.

[Democracyinkind]

117. What exactly are you complaining about?

That no one on DU bows to your supposed degrees?

I have a Phd and two master degrees yet I don't think that makes my contributions on DU any more pertinent than something someone without a high school degree might contribute. This is not academia; it is a public discussion board.

[ForgoTheConsequence]

145. Get over yourself.

Nobody likes a pedant and this isn't your mothers refrigerator.

[tblue]

34. That is the classic RW Motto

Too bad! It's our country too. And Tom Morello is a patriot.

[RetroLounge]

36. But he's not a cheerleader for the messiah

So under the bus he goes

RL

[sabrina 1]

72. Tom Morello, not very informed? Here's a suggestion, go do a little research on Morello. You are

clearly not very informed on who this man is.

[RetroLounge]

149. Are you replying to the correct post?

RL

[sabrina 1]

156. No, I'm sorry, forgive me?

[Vietnameravet]

152. Maybe he is a traitor who hates his country,...ever consider that?

[Hissyspit]

155. Um, I said "just guessing."

So, yes, I was considering all possibilities.

But Tom Morello a traitor who hates his country? Not particularly.

[Romulus Quirinus]

7. because it wouldn't work? nt

[The Straight Story]

11. Maybe because it is not just but Obama, but bush and who comes after and govt as a whole

I doubt Obama cares much about your phone records himself, but there a slew of private contractors and others who apparently can get access to things.

From something I posted earlier:

A thought about the NSA and phone records
NSA picks up info about some terror funding and arms in Afghanistan.

They start looking into the calls and find that a call was placed from there to somewhere in South America.

As they go through the calls and trace funding they end up....

With you talking to your friend.

Who was talking the day before with Janet because he wanted some weed.

She called her friend, who had a supply and from his calls they find another person up the chain....and people who never knew anyone in anyway have a call tree associating them with terrorist funding. Now they can get a plethora of warrants to listen and research more.

Map out everything you can in some way or other and you can find a way to show cause to get info on someone that you don't like.

Well, you get the idea.

[nomorenomore08]

21. Bingo. It's never been "about Obama" per se. It's about abuse of power, period.

nt

[sabrina 1]

67. And to think, all they had to do was a reverse phone check, then get a legitimate warrant to

access an actual suspect's records! After which they would see who S/HE was calling, not who everyone in the US states was calling. Amazing, and they wouldn't have to go rummaging through 300 million phone numbers to do it. Just ONE.

I keep asking someone to explain to me why they think this explanation makes one iota of sense, but it's the ONLY defense they've offered. It is stupid to try to find a number this way, so stupid that no person in their right mind could accept it as a justification for 'collecting and storing' records.

[roody]

26. 'Move to Ecuador'---that sounds appealing

hhhhmmmmmmmm.

[sabrina 1]

28. Why? He is a patriotic American who is not only talented and extremely intelligent, he respects this

country's Constitution. Why don't those who despise our country, our Constitution, who are willing to throw away the rights so hard fought for, who are actually talking about criminalizing journalism, why don't they leave since they hate everything that makes this a democracy so much? But they should not go to Ecuador, they would not be welcome in a country that has so recently thrown out the very powers that are here destroying this country?

They might like some of our allied countries, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain where people's rights are unimportant and the state can spy on its people all they want and journalists have to 'watch what they say'. If this is what they want, why are they still here?

[cantbeserious]

37. Why Should Anyone Have To Leave Their Country For Fear Of Surveillance

eom

[Harmony Blue]

59. Yeah..

it seems like that lately bashers of Snowden are rallying around slogans that don't resonate or make sense when put in context.

[ReRe]

85. Really!

It doesn't matter where you go in the effing world now... When they turn on that engine out there in Utah come this Sept, they can snoop into everyone's lives all over the effing world! You couldn't escape if you wanted to!

[Bonobo]

46. Translation = "Amurika, mutherfucka, love it or leave it." nt

[xocet]

47. "Love It or Leave It!" What a pathetic response! n/t

[sibelian]

122. Maybe he could get past the border guards in a hot air balloon!!!

Awesome idea, very cinematic.

[H2O Man]

125. "America: Love It or

Leave It" was the theme of Nixon supporters.

[Logical]

127. Lol, you are funny. Keep trying! n-t

[City Lights]

137. Maybe you should ask him instead of asking here.

Do you think he reads DU?

[Vietnameravet]

153. Hopefully he will wind up in Siberia

Let see how much of a big talker he is then..

[ForgoTheConsequence]

4. Under the bus he goes!!!

[burnodo]

6. Tom Morello! Snowden haters: "What to do. What to do."

oh well...he'll be under the bus in no time flat

[frylock]

8. i have doubts that authoritarian types are into RATM

[burnodo]

12. but he's been a big liberal and a union supporter

among many other things...he'll be associated with Rove, Beck, and Paul by virtue of his disagreement

[JI7]

13. Paul Ryan is a Fan so doesn't mean anything

[frylock]

18. paul ryan clearly never read a lyric sheet

[SomethingFishy]

140. +1 and if he did they went right over his tiny little head...

Tom Morello made a hilarious statement about Ryan after he said that bullshit..

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/tom-morello-calls-paul-ryan-jackass-accuses-obama-of-war-crimes-20121015

[frylock]

141. morello is one smart cookie..

said it before and i'll say it again; I really hope that he runs for congress someday. he and Chris Kluwe would be great additions.

[sabrina 1]

31. OMG!! Are you series?

Ah, the important stuff we learn here. Never mind that the ignorant morons on the Far Right adored Bruce Springsteen for decades because they thought only Right Wingers 'love America'. Lol, it so fun to hear them call him 'an American Patriot' simply because of a song and a flag.

Kudos to Springsteen and Morello for fooling morons like Ryan.

[Democracyinkind]

118. I heard that Ryan digs your posts....

Therefore....

[longship]

9. Send Bitcoins

Apparently they are the currency of choice. Many Wikileaks supporters use them.

[rightsideout]

10. I agree 100 percent

I'm glad people like Morello are standing up for Snowden.

Snowden exposed what we pretty much already knew but he confirmed it with the govt's own documentation. It sucks that our government doesn't trust it's own taxpayers. So some of my tax money goes to spy on me? That's BS. So screw them. I think it's hilarious that Snowden is one step ahead of the Feds. And I'm glad they are frustrated.

I call all this "Push Back." The govt crossed the line spying on us and some people have taken it upon themselves to stand up to the BS. I'm happy Morella wants to help Snowden out.

Every time the govt does this they take it up a notch on our civil liberties. What will be the next encroachment?

[ZombieHorde]

14. That's nice of him. nt

[RetroLounge]

16. The Obamabots are going to need a bigger bus

Getting crowded under there.

RL

[RetroLounge]

33. Paulbots???

So if I don't get my kneepads on and fellate Obama like a pro I guess I have no sense and must be a Paulbot.

How the weather in your black and white world?



RL

[ForgoTheConsequence]

40. Funny stuff.

I support single payer health care, organized labor, environmental activism, abortion rights, but because I don't agree with Lindsey Graham on surveillance I'm a Ron Paul supporter.

[RetroLounge]

148. Sounds like all Progressive policies to me

Unlike our friend above...



RL

[RufusTFirefly]

35. Brilliant. I salute your infinite knowledge and expertise on the matter.

Everything you've written convinces me that you should be the prime spokesperson for the pro-surveillance contingent. And, may I humbly add that your knowledge of music is extraordinary. Bravo!

Even Tom Perrello {sic} must be in awe.

[tblue]

38. Tom Morello is black

and I'm black and I know him. He sang at Occupy. And he's hot too. What's your point?

[ForgoTheConsequence]

41. Yeah I'm not sure what point that poster was trying to make.

And Zach the lead singer of RATM is Mexican American. That poster has a lot of nerve speaking for "blacks and latinos".

I saw RATM with the Wu Tang Clan and I can assure that poster that there were quite a few blacks and latinos there.

[Tarheel_Dem]

48. I'm black too. He's not a household name in my community. Just sayin'. Different strokes?

I'll go further out on that limb and speculate that he's probably about as popular as Clarence Thomas in black & hispanic households, only less well known. And you & I both know that as Occupy faded from the public conciousness, they were left with the barebones hardcore Paultards, who are really just Republicans who want to smoke dope and get laid.

That's "my point"! His participation in the fiasco known as "Occupy" speaks to his lack of judgement.

[ForgoTheConsequence]

50. "His participation in the fiasco known as "Occupy" speaks to his lack of judgement."

Pathetic.

[ForgoTheConsequence]

54. Furthermore....

I guess Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson have a "lack of judgement" also? How about Alan Grayson and Bernie Sanders? Anymore people you want to throw under the bus? All these people supported OWS, if you keep throwing everyone under the bus it's just going to be you and Obama.

[Tarheel_Dem]

55. "Pathetic"? I'm hurt.

[ForgoTheConsequence]

58. Troll.

I'll continue to stand with Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, Bernie Sanders and Alan Grayson.

You can continue to wallow in your own ignorance and hate those who are actually taking to the street trying to change things.

[Tarheel_Dem]

76. Not so sure Al & Jesse even want to "stand" on the same side of the street as you. They....

don't care for Libertarians anymore than I do.



THD, the "Troll", signing off.

[ForgoTheConsequence]

81. Yep, libertarian.

I'm one of those crazy libertarians that supports unions, single payer health care and social democracy, I'm one of those crazy libertarians further to the left than Obama.

If actually fighting for those things in the streets instead of trolling the internet while shoving hot pockets in my face makes me a libertarian to the ignorant and uninformed that's fine, you aren't part of the equation anyhow you're just an obstacle to progress.

[Tarheel_Dem]

87. I'm sorry, but I lost interest.

[Harmony Blue]

80. The Occupy protests helped Obama administration

shift the focus briefly from austerity into jobs and growth discussion. If it were not for Occupy movement, austerity would have been put in place by now.

When President Obama said he needed the American people's help to change the conversation in the upper and lower houses, he meant it. From my view, I am surprised you can't see it plainly as it is.

[sabrina 1]

69. He was fantastic during the Occupy protests. One of many great musicians and other artists who

were and are still involved. And you're right, he's hot too!

[cherokeeprogressive]

39. I'm gonna go out on that limb with you and tell you you're wrong.

By President Obama's "true supporters", just what do you mean? Do you mean Blacks and Latinos are President Obama's ONLY true supporters? That's the first point you're wrong on.

The second point you're wrong on is that President Obama's supporters "true" or not DO know who Rage Against the Machine is. I'm over 50 and I FUCKING DIG their music, at least some of it.

The third point you may be wrong on, if I'm reading you correctly, is that supporters of what Edward Snowden did are "Paulbots".

Not a hunch.

[Tarheel_Dem]

51. I think I made myself pretty clear.

[ForgoTheConsequence]

52. No you didn't.

You shit all over someone who has done more for human rights than you could ever dream. You shit all over OWS after we got our asses kicked, pepper sprayed, insulted, etc while people like you did nothing.

The only thing that's clear is your ignorance.

[cherokeeprogressive]

53. About the only thing I'm clear on is your opinion that Occupy supporters are fools.

[Tarheel_Dem]

56. Not all of 'em. Some got away.

[cherokeeprogressive]

65. You go, dude. This is the best entertainment I've had this evening. Thanks!

[Tarheel_Dem]

70. It's been pretty amusing for me as well. The suggestion that Obama "supporters"...

would attempt to throw some dude most of us have probably never heard of, under this proverbial bus is pretty laughable. I just spoke with niece, cause I thought it might be an AGE thing, and she had indeed heard of this guy, but says she wouldn't walk across the parking lot to hear him perform.

Ask any black household who John Legend, Will-i-am, Usher and everyone in the house immediately knows who you're talking about. This Tom guy? Not so much. So he's safe on the hood of bus. No one cares.

[cherokeeprogressive]

75. Your niece doesn't like the band, and you extrapolate that to a whole race of people.

Like I said: You go, dude.

[Tarheel_Dem]

79. You mean like the poster I responded to who "extrapolated" that a whole group of...

people would throw some obscure dude "under a bus". You mean like that?

[cherokeeprogressive]

82. Not like that, no.

A group of people throwing some obscure dude under a bus isn't in in the slightest way comparable to claiming you have your finger on the musical pulse of an entire race.

Nice try though.

[Tarheel_Dem]

88. Nice to know you agree with me.

Now here's a cute kitty cat.

[opiate69]

132. "obscure"... roflmao!

Over 20 million records sold, and because you've never heard of him, he's "obscure"...

[SomethingFishy]

142. Digging deeper with each post this one is...

My favorite was when he pulled out the Fox News talking point that Occupy just wants to smoke dope and get laid. Although credit for his claiming that it's Republican Occupiers who want to smoke dope and get laid

Morello was a huge presence during the 08' campaign, not sure why any liberal would not know who he is even if they didn't know he was in a band..

[JI7]

78. the whole thing is stupid anyways, how they trot out belafonte, cornel west

and some other minority to try to prove something. it's just pathetic.

[Tarheel_Dem]

84. Dude couldn't wait to tell he was black. So fuckin' what? That still didn't make me...

know who the hell he was, and I still don't. It's the old Republican tactic of trying to pit us against one another. "Our blacks are better than their blacks". Allen West is a prime example, and a useful tool.

[HiPointDem]

103. you're the one who introduced race into the conversation, not the poster. when you said

'i bet most blacks & latinos never heard of him'.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

119. You're a very limited individual

But I like the spunk with which you argue for your own ignorance.

[HiPointDem]

98. john legend, supporter of education privatization, teach for america board member, harlem

village academies board member, stand for children board member.

[backwoodsbob]

110. Never heard of John Legend or Will-I-Am

I guess that means I'm a racist now?

[Tarheel_Dem]

112. Is yours a black household? I was speaking of my own community. I know my peeps!

Only you know if you're racist or not.

[backwoodsbob]

113. since I don't know them I guess it's ok to

call them obscure hacks who we can ignore

[delrem]

96. And you say you support Obama? That you're part of Obama's "base"?

Wow. Talk about a shrinking "base".
Obama doesn't have to worry about getting elected again. We've got him 'till 2016. But Dems have to worry about not getting totally routed in 2014. Now, Tarheel_Dem, look once again at that shrinking "base", and at the flak Obama's mindless defenders, like you, have on a massive Dem board like DU.

If you had any sense, you'd notice that a huge percentage of Dems are in utter shock. There's a split in the community, just at the time where there's a growing understanding. But people like you, who claim to represent Obama's "base", are rallying around a cry to prosecute truth-tellers for treason, to suppress the facts of how the US is governed and ordered and ruled, and to reduce US politics to the Obama family vs the Kardishians as to which is more lovable.

[HiPointDem]

104. +1. the self-described base of the democratic party is nigh on to destroying it.

the poster talks about how the gop practices divide & conquer yet this 'base' is doing the same damn thing.

[Tarheel_Dem]

107. IRS! BENGHAZI! NSA! Boo!

"Massive Dem board like DU"? "Dem board"? "Massive"?


This is massive:



And this is massivER:



These are the "Dems" that count. You internet "Dems" are pissed that you can't turn the president's "true" base against him, and it cracks me the hell up.

[Demit]

124. Ah yes. Five years ago. They were the days of hope and change.

I remember it well. And I am wistful, for what might have been.

[Skittles]

146. that one is a lost cause

doesn't seem to understand WE WERE THOSE DEMS

[Not Sure]

43. You could do a lot worse than to try to find out who Tom Morello is

Not only is he a tireless activist on the right side of a long list of causes, he's actually a brilliant musician. Rage Against The Machine was among the first to fuse rock and rap together successfully and inventively. Their music speaks to a large demographic, including blacks and latinos, even suburban whites. Morello and RATM are known for support of a free press as well as pro-labor and anti-war positions.

[ReRe]

74. You are truly...

... out of your ever-lovin' mind if you think that. Not a good hunch, not good. Hang on, that limb is going to crack any second now.

[HiPointDem]

86. he's the great-nephew of jomo kenyatta. fyi.

Stephen Ngethe Njoroge was the first ambassador from Kenya to the United Nations. He is the father of Rage Against the Machine guitarist Tom Morello and the ex-husband of Parents for Rock and Rap founder Mary Morello. Njoroge was a Mau Mau guerilla. His uncle, Jomo Kenyatta, was the first elected president in Kenya.[1]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Morello

[Tarheel_Dem]

90. Why thanks for that. Now tell me again why I give a fuck?

[HiPointDem]

99. tell me why i should give a fuck your daughter likes front man for education privatization john

legend.

[Tarheel_Dem]

100. Well, that's settled. Neither of us gives a fuck.

[backwoodsbob]

108. WTF?

This place is getting insane

[Tarheel_Dem]

109. !!!???!!!

[OnyxCollie]

22. HE'S RACIST!

[ForgoTheConsequence]

24. Only explaination.

That half white, half Kenyan, Harvard grad from Illinois is racist against our half white, half Kenyan, Harvard grad from Illinois President.

[sabrina 1]

42. Has anyone discovered his Kenyan birth certificate yet?

Tom Morello is a genius and a patriot.

Playing at an Occupy Wall St Rally:

[ForgoTheConsequence]

44. Great picture.

Jello Biafra and Tom Morello are both great revolutionary artists.

[sabrina 1]

49. He's too intelligent not to see what is going on. Great mind, he could have chosen any career

he wanted, politics eg. But he's too honest, too much of a conscience and can do a whole more good, as he has, through his music. I agree, both are great revolutionary artists.

[d_b]

25. fuckin A

[backscatter712]

30. Cool, this means we're gonna have bitchin' music for the party under the bus! n/t

[sabrina 1]

61. All the best people are down here!

Best musicians, best Liberal Democrats, best Liberal thinkers, writers, poets and philosophers.

Just think, we could be ON the bus with Dick Cheney and Ari Fleischer and Peter King!

[kas125]

64. I'm proud to be under that bus, as I've been since before Obama was elected and he decided to keep

throwing us under it. I haven't changed and never will.

[nadinbrzezinski]

97. Minds think alike

[Bonobo]

45. Confirmation of my opinion.

I didn't need it, but I am glad of it.

[SleeplessinSoCal]

68. Tom Morello doesn't know Ecuador very well. It's a crime ridden gestapo-like run little place.

"Welcome to Ecuador, Mr Assange... it's the world's biggest banana grower. But it's also a hotbed of corruption, extortion and repression (so says WikiLeaks). You really want to live HERE?"

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2190401/Julian-Assange-Welcome-Ecuador-hotbed-corruption-extortion-repression-says-WikiLeaks.html

And I personally know a family who moved there to run a spa only to flea a few years later in fear of their lives. Extortion and thuggery a constant threat. My friends are very left leaning people who fled the Bush Administration only to find themselves in hell. They can't even communicate via email anymore as they are followed by the govt and enemies. This from wanting to run a spa and live a quiet life free from Neo-Cons.

[ForgoTheConsequence]

71. Lol The Daily Mail.

[SleeplessinSoCal]

91. You can laugh, but the couple I'm referring to weren't laughing.

They invested their future in Ecuador and the extortion and intimidation by local officials drove them out fearful of their lives.

Nothing funny about it. I think my friends may have written this book. Same experience and sounds like something they'd do with aliases.

"Ecuador – The Ugly Truth About Ecuador by Jack and Geneva Campitelli. About how some supposedly sophisticated expats got thoroughly clean[ed] out in a country that at heart has only vague resemblances to the ethics or morality or rule of law you may be used it.

According to the authors, the business system is totally corrupt. The banking system is weak. The political system is corrupt. The judicial system is corrupt 10 times more than Panama – where they also lived. However, if you’re hellbent on going there, it’s the most spot-on help-guide on Ecuador we’ve ever seen. It will be the best $20 you’ve ever spent if Ecuador is on your “consideration list.” Digital download only."

http://www.expatworld.net/ascolibooks/

[sabrina 1]

94. I know people here, more than a few, who were cheated out of their homes by Wall St Banks

and the Government bailed out the Banks with billions of dollars and let them get away with it.

I know others who were beaten to a pulp by corrupt cops, others who were shot for no reason, tased, locked up for years and tortured with no charges.

Now everyone I know is being spied on by the Goverment.

So one couple had a bad experience and the whole country is evil?

[SleeplessinSoCal]

120. You sound like a climate change denier

Well there are two couples giving testimony of their experience. My couple was terrified and sneaked out the country.

Why not look to the many warnings on-line about opting to purchase property in Ecuador. House Hunters International tonight featured a couple hunting for a home there. It'll be interesting to hear their testimony once they realize how expensive bribery and extortion can be.

[sabrina 1]

130. You sound like someone who can't hold a conversation without hurling insults. I have a great deal

of experience with that. It doesn't phase me in the least, but it does tell me I am speaking to someone who has run out of the ability to properly present a case for their opinions. And without fail, that always turns out to be the case.

I have friends from Ecuador. They know their country is in transition from decades of corruption resulting from outside influences from the West. Huge Global Corps backed the worst and most dishonest 'leaders' in that region of the world. But now the people have begun the process of reversing those disastrous policies. It will take time, the corrupt are still there, unhappy with the wonderful changes that have so benefited their people but they are now out of power and hopefully it will stay that way.

[JoeyT]

131. She isn't the one that thinks the plural of anecdote is data.

Two people allegedly saying they had a horrible experience doesn't prove a country is bad any more than snow in February in New York proves climate change isn't real.

Edited to add: And the guy whose book you keep quoting and linking to is a crazy right winger.

Here's his blog: http://jackcampitelli.com/

Marvel as he screams about the evil monopoly of the FDA stifling the free market! Gasp in astonishment as he manages to make the third line in an entry about the mass murder in Norway a demand that no one take our gunzzz!

Yeah, he might think Ecuador is a terrible place full of jackbooted thugs demanding bribes from people: But he thinks the same thing about the United States.

[SleeplessinSoCal]

138. So why would he lend credence to Ecuador's govt of thugs and extortionists?

It makes no sense to go to a place worse than the U.S.

[JoeyT]

139. Because right wingers hate Ecuador?

Most of them probably couldn't even point to the right continent on a map, but I've never met one that didn't hate it.

[SleeplessinSoCal]

144. They do? I'd no idea. Sounds ideal for them. Just bribe their way to the good life.

[HiPointDem]

105. and my 70-year-old aunt spent a couple of years there during the height of the 80s cocaine

epidemic & loved the place.

[sabrina 1]

93. Lol, that's good!

[sabrina 1]

89. You're kidding, right? Many Americans and Europeans are now living in Ecuador. It is a beautiful

country with wonderful people and the most popular president in the world to his people. The US hates these new South American Democracies. They threw out the Global Corporations who for years supported Dictators in their countries.

Snowden would be making a good choice if he were to end up in Ecuador.

Oh yes, and the Daily Mail is a rag although it's always good to see who is 'catapulting the propaganda' these days.

[SleeplessinSoCal]

92. You're dreaming. It may be o.k. if you're just renting. But if you want to buy there,

watch out. They'll harass you and chase you away and they keep all of your property.

"Ecuador - The Ugly Truth About This Much Touted Retirement Paradise

Digital Edition (Click title for more info) Have you ever traveled somewhere on a friends recommendation to only think “Oh My God! WHAT were they thinking? This place is a .......” We have all gone someplace that a ‘friend’ had talked up, but end up not having quite the fabulous experience they SAY they had. This happened to us in Ecuador. We DID visit before we relocated and sad to say we did not understand exactly how thin of a veneer their ‘civilized/modern’ society really has.

We, the authors contend that Ecuador is a country to be avoided at all costs and for any reason save that it’s cheap to get in and you’re prepared to go native shortly thereafter. Here are some of the items you’ll find in the report:

How to find an English speaking assistant . . .

How to find a veterinarian . . .

What meds to bring from home . . .

How to get stuff into Ecuador if you make the mistake of coming . . .

Where to buy cat litter, what brand is the best . . .

The truth about meat in Ecuador . . .

The ONLY city worth considering as a place to live -- with perfect climate . . .

The ONLY areas on the Pacific coast to live if you’re a beach person . . .

How to do business in Ecuador . . .

How to get mail in Ecuador . . .

Best health insurance . . .

A list of cities to avoid . . .

The truth about volcanoes, earthquakes and tsunamis . . .

Pests you can’t avoid and what to do about them . . .

How to find a washer for a garden hose . . .

What’s the best internet provider . . .

Why not to use “Direct TV”

What’s the “best” cell phone carrier and how to save money using them

Why to bring heartworm preventative meds with you for your pets.

A decent substitute for sour cream -- that you can’t get here . . .

How much to pay for a Panama hat . . .

Why not to buy property . . .

Dealing with residency . . . and hopefully not

Bye-bye donuts . . .

What $40 product NOT to forget to bring from the U.S. – even if you just visit.

The one product in Ecuador that is “best in the world” and you’d never suspect it . . . "

[blackspade]

95. There goes Morello under the bus!

I'm saddened by the number of liberals that have been thrown under the cult of personality bus lately here at DU.

[AzDar]

102. Tom Morello is awesome.

In many, many, ways.

[avaistheone1]

111. He's right.

[Nanjing to Seoul]

115. I guess Tom Morello isn't a true progressive. He is against the NSA spying on us.

Remember, when Bush did it, it was bad. When Obama does it, it's good.

Phil Ochs was right: "In every American community there are varying shades of political opinion. One of the shadiest of these is the liberals. An outspoken group on many subjects, ten degrees to the left of center in good times, ten degrees to the right of center if it affects them personally. Here, then, is a lesson in safe logic."


See once I was young and impulsive, I wore every conceivable pin
Went to the socialist meeting, learned all the old union hymns
Oh, but now I'm older and wise, and that's why I'm turning you in
So, love me, love me, love me. . .I'm a liberal!

[ucrdem]

116. He can say what he wants and play what he wants. Doesn't mean a damn thing.

He used to do a radio show on a local Pacifica station that I could never listen to more than 5 minutes of but didn't seem particularly political one way or the other. I realize his songs have rad and bad titles. Unfortunately they all sound alike and I never got the impression he was any political or musical genius. His shtick was to bring his former-history-teacher mother on and have her introduce his favorite 70s anthem-rock hits. Got old fast. JMHO.

[Kolesar]

126. RATM was in the rotation on our "extreme rock FM station" -- They sucked

I suppose a 15 year old listener might not have ever heard anything better.
Did I mention that they sucked?

[ucrdem]

136. Let's just say he's not playing with all six strings. nt

[Demit]

129. Aside from the "Your music sucks" thing, which is an internet tradition

that I always get a kick out of...

I saw Tom Morello on Bill Moyers a few months ago and he was great. I had never heard of him b/c I'm not a pop music follower (or whatever the genre is you'd put him in), but I was aware of RATM in general, and listening to him & Moyers converse was wonderful. Morello walks the talk.

[WillyT]

135. K & R !!!

[Myrina]

143. Off topic: I heard Morello's version of Guthrie's "My revolutionary mind" today ...

.... for the first time. Pretty damn amazing, both his "updated" interpretation and that Woody had the stones to write such a song.

[Vietnameravet]

151. Maybe he should help Michelle Bachamann and Glenn Beck if he feels that way about Obama..

[Fantastic Anarchist]

154. What, the land of the free?

Whoever told you that is your enemy!