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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forums"I'm too discouraged to do anything," she says. "Too much is wrong."
I've got another night of cold-calling voters, asking them to dial their state legislators
It's a walkabout through a new American wilderness
The first page reveals a flat and barren landscape, with almost nothing but disconnected numbers
Another page leads into the land of hermits, interested in nothing but their private lives
Now and then, I smell fear: "I really can't get involved," one woman tells, hanging up quickly
Another says she agrees with me but thinks it's pointless to call her state senator: "He's an asshole," she explains. And I'd bet she really knows the score. But I point out that her phone call will take less than minute and suggest she can bite her tongue perhaps for that long on the off-chance that enough calls might have an effect. She pauses for a blink, then asks for his number
Yet another says she knows actually him and would just prefer not to talk to him. "Maybe you could send an email?" I ask. Yes, she thinks she could do that, so I give her the address
But I have no luck with the woman too discouraged to do anything
As an anonymous phone voice, I don't feel comfortable tonight suggesting political activism as a cure for depression -- though perhaps I might have tried it had I met her face-to-face
Instead I gently note that the call will take hardly any time. She counters that there are more important issues
Since I've called uninvited, I somehow resist the temptation to point out to her that she obviously has a &@#*!$% phone, that she seems to know how to use it, and that she has just told me she isn't doing &@#*!$% anything about anything anyway, whether it's &@#*!$% important or not, so maybe she could &@#*!$% leave the &@#*!$% self-pity-party for one &@#*!$% minute to make a quick &@#*!$% phone call
Instead, I gently thank her, wish her a pleasant evening, and move down the page to the next number
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)I do appreciate that you treated those poor female creatures gently.
struggle4progress
(118,290 posts)LittleBlue
(10,362 posts)"take me off your calling list". I think it requires solicitors to hang up and never call again.
Maybe whatever she's depressed about is more important to her than emailing a politician. If I feel strongly enough about an issue, I'll call them. But I sure as hell don't need chastising by someone I've never met and will never meet.
You're calling them uninvited asking her for a favor. Have some respect.
struggle4progress
(118,290 posts)LittleBlue
(10,362 posts)struggle4progress
(118,290 posts)LittleBlue
(10,362 posts)Don't you think it's a bit off to presume that they should so as you tell them? You've known them for all of 10 seconds.
For all you know, they are suffering from depression or a death in the family.
struggle4progress
(118,290 posts)like this without noticing one's own attitudes
If you're a saint who does this with nary a negative WTF passing through your mind as you knock doors or jingle phones, I doff my hat to you in amazed respect -- but for some of us mere mortals, the skill of reacting appropriately to people, regardless of whatever idea might be passing through our pointy little heads, is a skill developed only through careful practice, and it differs somewhat from the knee-jerking that many of us habitually practice on internet chat boards
elleng
(130,956 posts)Romulus Quirinus
(524 posts)I suggest you read this:
http://hyperboleandahalf.blogspot.com/2011_10_01_archive.html
http://hyperboleandahalf.blogspot.com/
struggle4progress
(118,290 posts)Romulus Quirinus
(524 posts)struggle4progress
(118,290 posts)Romulus Quirinus
(524 posts)"Since I've called uninvited, I somehow resist the temptation to point out to her that she obviously has a &@#*!$% phone, that she seems to know how to use it, and that she has just told me she isn't doing &@#*!$% anything about anything anyway, whether it's &@#*!$% important or not, so maybe she could &@#*!$% leave the &@#*!$% self-pity-party for one &@#*!$% minute to make a quick &@#*!$% phone call"
Which shows that the thought of actual depression might not have occurred to you.
Please, I'm not attacking you, I just wanted you to be aware that all might not be as it seems at first glance. That's all.
NJCher
(35,678 posts)Cher
NJCher
(35,678 posts)Oh, struggle, how I know. It just boggles the mind how apathetic Americans are.
It's really hard to do this work when people say these things to you.
When I moved into my current neighborhood, I went door to door to form a political activist group and I will never forget a woman who listened to my spiel from her doorstep and then said, "Don't you have anything better to do with your time?"
Years later, her huge, luxurious house went into foreclosure. I have to wonder if she'd been a little more involved if she could possibly have made the contacts or had enough awareness of what was going on that she could have saved her house.
But I will close this post with a happier story.
i teach a class called Social Activism. Yes, I work for a very progressive, visionary type of department head who keeps this class on the books, even though it doesn't attract students in droves. Still, we manage to get about 22 students each semester.
Unfortunately, what I get in this class are students who need 3 hours of an upper-level elective and they choose this one because they couldn't get into other classes. They are not necessarily students who care about social causes.
This year I had a student who actually flaunted his ignorance and apathy. He seemed to take great joy in pointing out that neither he nor anyone else in the class cared about social inequity. I can't even begin to tell you what that did to my spirit. But I soldiered on.
One day I lost it with him and went on a rant. This was after he said he figured his political representatives were hopefully acting in his best interest.
I won't belabor what I said to that. As a DU-er you would know.
However, midway through the class, his attitude started changing.
Toward the end of the semester, I spoke with another professor from whom he was taking classes. This professor told me that this student had told him that my class had changed him. My colleague pointed out to me that this could be considered a success.
This is just a small bit of progress and enormous effort went into it. Your story (and mine) tell us we are a long way from "the tipping point."
Hang in there, and here's a big hug:
I love it that you're doing what you're doing, even though there is so little satisfaction in it.
Cher
struggle4progress
(118,290 posts)One person tried spreading some rightwing potpourri but I managed to end that call pleasantly too
southerncrone
(5,506 posts)This is the fallout from the steady & systematic undermining of the average American citizen. Some have obvious reasons for it--job loss & unable to find work for months or years, lose of home, recovering from natural disasters, etc. But the more insidious depression is that all of this has created a constant black cloud that almost every American feels has descended upon the 99%. Most people fear their job could go at any minute, causing stress & insecurity. The 24/7/365 "news" cycle is simply a machine of negativity regurgitating doom & gloom into our homes, our workplaces & our vehicles. It's almost impossible to escape. And when your friends & family have more bad news happening in their lives, than good, it has a cumulative effect. All of our institutions are generating bad news--financial arena screwing us, health care costs increasing or out of reach, food supply is tainted, schools are a mess, violence all around, job creation slow (but thankfully increasing), wars-wars-wars, our "leaders" enriching themselves at our expense w/little regard for our needs (she may be disgusted by this most).
It's going to take a long time for us to climb out of the dark abyss created by those who held the power for the last decade plus. Cut the lady some slack...you don't know her situation. Perhaps you inspired her more than you will ever know, but it just has to sink in through the black cloud.
Lord knows we need some good news.
HardTimes99
(2,049 posts)Will consider doing so and building on your themes.
My compliments for your incisiveness!
niyad
(113,323 posts)gives me a small amount of satisfaction to call and annoy him anyway.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)Last edited Wed Jun 26, 2013, 01:38 AM - Edit history (1)
the capitol with us in a private meething, and he tried to smile his way out of it, the little scumbag.We got his fellow people in the area to vote against the enormous screw he was attempting. At that time, you know, we hadn't even heard of ALEC, but realize that must have been what he was into.
To make a long story a bit longer, he later lost his seat, ran for higher office with the funding of Rove and the rest of the stinking crooked cabal, lost that race and remains a laughing stock to this day.
Mind you, it took almost years to get him down into the cesspool he belonged in. But it happens. May it happen with yours as well.
It didn't help that we got people from both parties to see, ideology or not, that what he was doing was immoral and inhumane.
Fortunately, this was before the Teas were created and they are all insane. Now that's a bunch that listens to NOBODY.
struggle4progress
(118,290 posts)around 50K, surrounded by a larger rural area
The Congressman back then passed for a conservative Republican, though by GOP standards he wouldn't have been screaming-wacko enough to pass the GOP bar
Something -- I forget exactly what -- came up in Congress regarding Reagan's war in Nicaragua, and we knew he'd vote the wrong way: so some folk I knew decided to give the Congress the metaphorical big-kick-in-the-pants we all felt he deserved
They spent some time assembling phone lists using every contact they had then organized a call-in-and-tell-him-how-to-vote day of action
It might have taken a week to set up
I finally called late in the afternoon that day
And this is approximately how his Congressional staff answered his phone: "Are you calling from Such-and-Such-ville? You are? No, you don't need to tell us: we got the message"
niyad
(113,323 posts)quinnox
(20,600 posts)but I screen all my calls, so I would never have taken the call in the first place. Sorry, not interested in solicitations of ANY kind.
struggle4progress
(118,290 posts)Whisp
(24,096 posts)I see some predictables are giving you a hard time in this thread.
I have read your stuff for a while now and see how hard you work, and you get treated like this for that?
It's a disgrace.
struggle4progress
(118,290 posts)Brigid
(17,621 posts)struggle4progress
(118,290 posts)truedelphi
(32,324 posts)I'd have offered you my sincere sympathy.
But at this point I pretty much figure the only reason that any elected official still takes our calls, and emails from their positions of power, is so they know what lies to tell us the next time they need to enter another election cycle.
struggle4progress
(118,290 posts)I reviewed the situation and decided
(1) Yeah, the situation's still hopeless; but
(2) The fact that it is totally hopeless is really no excuse for inaction; and
(3) I've been wrong before, and I'll be wrong again, so maybe I should just get over myself
From time to time since then, I have reviewed again, but my basic conclusion remain unchanged, namely:
Yeah, it's hopeless, but so what?
Romulus Quirinus
(524 posts)Things look dark, and trying to paint our situation in a better light serves no one's best interests. We must acknowledge our chances of victory are small, while holding that surrender is completely unacceptable. After all, no one ever made a profit by betting on their own destruction.
I feel like we could take a lesson or two from bushido; we have to live as if we are already dead. Accepting reality, viewing it and ourselves with total honesty, we avoid the disappointment and dissatisfaction that results from unreasonable expectations. Maybe, just maybe, if we all hang together and push hard enough, we'll be happily surprised!
DevonRex
(22,541 posts)Today maybe wasn't the best day, but you did such a good job. You were positive and did what you were supposed to, without letting your feelings show.
I'm so proud of you. Honored to know you. Grateful for you.
struggle4progress
(118,290 posts)it is important to remember that the folk you're calling didn't invite the call -- and if they don't want to talk, well, that's their right
The ones who surprise me most, of course, are those who will talk your ear off for ten minutes about how they don't have time to talk right now -- when the phone call would otherwise have taken two minutes -- but I once got an unsolicited $500 donation by listening to somebody rant like that, so pay-offs are possible
DevonRex
(22,541 posts)not in a squad room type situation. I really hate it when the people around me listen to my every word. Because I do get into long conversations sometimes. I'd rather do that, especially with the elderly folks, than stick to the script. And I'm good at it.
I had one day last year that was crazy, though. It was as if every other person had a list of questions prepared to ask. And debate. Complete with talking points. It was the last day I had to do independents. Pretty soon, from the street names, I realized I was calling the area right around the big LDS temple or whatever it's called. Not one of the smaller churches, but the big one. So, let's just say they were just as committed to the conversation as I was.
struggle4progress
(118,290 posts)siligut
(12,272 posts)But have you given any thought as to why LDS temples are surrounded by LDS people? I have noticed the same thing myself. However, I have not noticed that this is true of other churches.
In my old neighborhood, when an LDS congregation took over an existing church building, the missionaries came out in earnest. Once that happened, our local town hall meetings changed too.
I am glad we moved, not for that reason of course, but the missionaries have started making the rounds in my new neighborhood. Any thoughts?
avaistheone1
(14,626 posts)I have done the dialing. It's always hard to make the first calls. And even if you only get a couple receptive people, you have at least made an impact on someone.
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)when I call or email is a rubber stamp response. Between them not doing the work we put them there to do and not responding to constituents it can be down right infuriating, discouraging, and depressing. Calling and emailing simply isn't enough anymore. We need people in the streets.
struggle4progress
(118,290 posts)Individual calls may not always do much, unless they come in bulk at critical times