So the Zimmerman trial boils down to this

[snooper2]

After watching/listening to two days of testimony-

Racist fuck George on his hero trip saw black dude walking in the rain-

He did all his 911 and non-emergency 411 calls

Trayvon saw asshole following him...

At some point confrontation...

I think Trayvon started beating his ass and loser shot him-

The defense already brought up that Zimmerman went to some boxing/martial arts club and the instructor wouldn't let him in the ring because he would have been hurt. They basically said their client was a (can't use P word) weakling


The outcome of this will be interesting to say the least, (read some commentary on upstate Florida jurors)

[Skittles]

1. it was Trayvon who was fighting for his life

he did NOTHING wrong

[Pelican]

2. Depends on what the jury believes....

If Martin threw the first punch it will be a tough sell....

[Skittles]

9. Trayvon was fighting for his life against a gun-toting vigilante who STALKED him

WHY WOULDN'T HE FIGHT???

[uppityperson]

18. Because for some reason stand your ground doesn't apply to him.

It is incredible, isn't it.

[Skittles]

22. it boggles my mind

it's so clear Trayvon was standing his ground - he was where he was supposed to be, minding his own business and he is DEAD yet it will supposedly come down to who threw the first punch?? WTF!

[hfojvt]

39. perhaps because, in theory, he wasn't being attacked.

Stand your ground does not give you the right to use deadly force against somebody who is only following you.

It is much more reasonable to fear for your safety when somebody is on top of you, punching you, than it is to fear for your safety because somebody is walking behind you. Sure, that can be creepy at night, but for all you know they are looking for a lost cat or something. Until they assault you, you are not necessarily in danger. Whereas the guy on his back - well, he IS being assaulted, and battered.

Plus, a person being followed obviously has the option to retreat. Whereas a person pinned to the ground does not have the same option. Does he?

[Fawke Em]

49. And the person following shouldn't be a fucking jerk to

the point that he has to be the person pinned.

Pick you battles wisely.

I, myself, am getting a new fence my neighbor doesn't like, yet it's on my property and not our shared driveway. Next time he burns (and there is no permit shit. It IS illegal in the city) or next time his dogs is nearly choking and cannot reach her water because she's on a leash for hours and wrapped by herself, I'm calling the authorities. My criminal neighbor didn't pick his battles wisely.

[uppityperson]

57. I carried an opened pocketknife when being followed in the city and if he'd come closer I'd not had

the option to retreat. If he'd come closer I'd have had that knife in him before he would be able to assault me.

A black teen in Florida might have every reason to fear for his life, being followed in the dark like that.

Trayvon sure did.

[uppityperson]

58. Furthermore, Fearing for your life after starting shit is not ok, like zimmy did

[Skittles]

68. THANK YOU

[WinkyDink]

103. "somebody who is only following you"---WITH A GUN, AT NIGHT, UNIDENTIFIED.

[Pelican]

23. You're almost there...

... now explain why Martin was correct to throw the first punch.

Zimmerman must have done X ( yelled at him, ran after him in an aggressive manner etc, drew a gun on him.. etc..) which caused Martin to be in fear for his safety and he struck Zimmerman because of X Y and Z.

[Skittles]

26. we don't know why because Martin is DEAD

but it is reasonable to assume he was in fear of his LIFE from this nutcase who STALKED HIM FOR NO REASON

[Pelican]

28. Just expand on that...

What did Zimmerman do to make Martin fear for his life/safety?

If you are just going to leave it at "walked toward him" then it doesn't meet any semblance of a legal standard.

[MillennialDem]

33. Zimmerman chased him from 7:11 (when Trayvon started running) until

7:16 (when the yelling/fighting started).

I don't know, if I was RUNNING for 5 minutes and couldn't lose some dude who just comes up yelling at me, yeah I'm going to suspect he's either a nutcase and could harm me, or that he chased me because he does want to harm me.

[Pelican]

40. If the evidence bears out...

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... that Zimmeran ran after Martin yelling and screaming and that Martin made a concerted effort to get away from him, that absolutely could qualify.

I don't think that has made it out so far as part of the narrative but all that really matters is what happens in court.

[MillennialDem]

41. It's in the timeline. Not sure if it has been brought in court, you are right on that count.

At an unverified time, Trayvon Martin walks from the home where he is staying to get snacks from a nearby 7-Eleven.[7]

6:24:18 PM — A store video shows Martin purchasing a bag of Skittles and an Arizona Watermelon Fruit Juice Cocktail. (Commonly referred to in the media and protests as Arizona Iced Tea)[8][9][10][11][12]

6:54 - 7:12 — Martin has an 18-minute cell phone call with a girl (reported to be his girlfriend) that gets disconnected.[11][13]

7:09:34 - 7:13:41 — George Zimmerman calls the Sanford Police Department (SPD) from his truck; total time of the call is 4 minutes 7 seconds.[14]

7:11:33 — Zimmerman tells the police dispatcher that Trayvon Martin is running.

7:11:59 — In reply to the dispatcher's question, "Are you following him?" Zimmerman says, "Yes." Dispatcher states, "OK, we don't need you to do that." Zimmerman replies, "OK."

7:12:00 - 7:12:59 — The girl calls Martin again at some point during this minute.[15]

7:13:10 — Zimmerman says he does not know where Martin is.

Map of the Retreat at Twin Lakes

7:13:41 — Zimmerman's call to Sanford police ends.[15]

7:16:00 - 7:16:59 — Martin's call from the girl goes dead during this minute.[15][16]

7:16:11 — First 911 call from witness about a fight, calls for help heard.[17]

7:16:55 — Gunshot heard on 911 call.[18]

[chelsea0011]

80. And Martin is heard asking Zimmerman why he is being followed just before

phone call to girlfriend goes dead. Martin is killed within the next two minutes. It is interesting to me that Martin asks why he is being followed meaning that he was aware before hand that Zimmerman was already following him. Zimmerman also has a gun in his belt. Does Martin now notice this? Martin is clearly aware that he is being stalked by Zimmerman. He is the one that should be concerned. Zimmerman has a lot of explaining to do when he takes the stand as he says he will.

[hfojvt]

42. one trouble with that

Martin died less than half a mile from his home. Five minutes of running by me from Zimmerman's car would probably put me a quarter mile PAST Trayvon's house. And I am a 51 year old guy with bad knees and 15 pounds of extra weight. My 17 year old self would run circles around the current me.

Not to mention that Zimmerman was still on the phone with dispatch for a minute AFTER he said "shit, he's running" and "I don't know where he is".

It's always possible that a young male might choose NOT to run IF he thought he could kick the other guy's a$$.

[MillennialDem]

43. Possible, or possible he didn't know where he was going / got lost. It was raining and dark.

He did apparently take that "T" intersection between people's yards and it is possible he never took that route before.

The timeline bears it out though.


At an unverified time, Trayvon Martin walks from the home where he is staying to get snacks from a nearby 7-Eleven.[7]

6:24:18 PM — A store video shows Martin purchasing a bag of Skittles and an Arizona Watermelon Fruit Juice Cocktail. (Commonly referred to in the media and protests as Arizona Iced Tea)[8][9][10][11][12]

6:54 - 7:12 — Martin has an 18-minute cell phone call with a girl (reported to be his girlfriend) that gets disconnected.[11][13]

7:09:34 - 7:13:41 — George Zimmerman calls the Sanford Police Department (SPD) from his truck; total time of the call is 4 minutes 7 seconds.[14]

7:11:33 — Zimmerman tells the police dispatcher that Trayvon Martin is running.

7:11:59 — In reply to the dispatcher's question, "Are you following him?" Zimmerman says, "Yes." Dispatcher states, "OK, we don't need you to do that." Zimmerman replies, "OK."

7:12:00 - 7:12:59 — The girl calls Martin again at some point during this minute.[15]

7:13:10 — Zimmerman says he does not know where Martin is.

Map of the Retreat at Twin Lakes

7:13:41 — Zimmerman's call to Sanford police ends.[15]

7:16:00 - 7:16:59 — Martin's call from the girl goes dead during this minute.[15][16]

7:16:11 — First 911 call from witness about a fight, calls for help heard.[17]

7:16:55 — Gunshot heard on 911 call.[18]

[hfojvt]

48. the timeline bears WHAT out?

Not sure where you got that timeline. Some place that also includes a "map of the retreat at Twin Lakes" Be interesting to see a map with some distances marked off on it.

[MillennialDem]

56. That Trayvon Martin ran away from Zimmerman and it took approx ~5 min for them to make contact again

[Hoyt]

32. Ever had an armed bigot stalking you with hatred and a gun?

You wouldn't ask such a stupid question.

[Pelican]

45. Whether is meets a legal standard is a stupid question?

Lord, you must really have a beef with the prosecution...

[CC]

51. I'll give you a guess....

Seventeen year old teen walking back from store. Strange man in a car starts following him and looking at him. Teen makes sure the strange man in car knows he sees him by staring at him. Teen makes phone call because a strange man is following him with his car. Man stops car and gets out, stalks toward teen and grabs arm. Teen fights for his life because he has no idea what this strange man is trying to do. Parents, schools and cops have spent a lifetime telling kids/teens to not talk to strangers, don't let a stranger grab you and don't go near a stranger's car because there are violent perverts out that that want to steal you, rape you and kill you and to fight for your life if you can't get away.
Now there is no way of knowing for sure what was going on Trayvon's head because Zimmerman ignored police advice to stay put and he ignored all the rules of neighborhood watch avoiding confrontation and to just watch and call police. I can tell you this, if Zimmerman had followed the rules as they were set for the Neighborhood Watch and listened to the dispatcher Trayvon would not have died at Zimmerman's hands and both would be living their lives now.

[Pelican]

54. Interesting...

Is there anything to support that Zimmerman made the first physical move, grabbing his arm?

or is that just your speculation as to what might have happened?

Also, take into account the time in which Zimmerman claims that he lost sight of Martin.

Who found who first and why?

[CC]

105. A guess is a guess you know.

And I offered a guess as an example of why the kid might of fought and could of been standing his ground. Course I have heard the tape of Zimmerman's call to police where he stated he was following him. What I do know from Zimmerman's own words is he was following, confronted and killed a 17 year old male. Now it is up to a jury to decide if that is OK to do it that way in their community, I don't live in Florida anymore and won't move back while it is a 3rd world banana republic.

[Rex]

93. There is no DNA on Martin from Zimmerman, the fight BS is just

a desperate attempt by some here to make Martin sound dangerous. I AM SURE they have NO agenda whatsoever.

[snooper2]

3. It's obvious they got into a fight

The only one that did something wrong was georgie who was getting his ass kicked and shot him-

That should be enough to send the punk to prison-



If anybody thinks Zimmerman did those wounds to himself they are delusional. Or, they have never been in a fight before-

The little knot on the right side of his head would have been one punch.

I think he will go down for murder for sure. Shit, if two people got into a fight in Deep Elum and one died, the other one is doing time. That's why it's called murder.

[niyad]

4. except that, according to the autopsy report, martin had NONE of zimmy's dna on him, except

a bit of blood on his cuff.

[snooper2]

5. 4 or 5 punches would have done the damage shown on Zimmy

+, it was raining-

+, George may have fell down as it seems he's a clumsy loser and bashed the back of his head that way-


Wonder if he plans to take the stand?

[niyad]

13. well, the autopsy says no dna on martin--the nose incident could have happened any time, and the

few marks on the back of his head not consistent with being smacked on the ground on concrete--looks more like smacked his head standing up, given blood flow patterns.

[Voice for Peace]

61. i wonder if he bashed himself in the nose with his flashlight

[Skittles]

7. Trayvon was fighting for his life against a gun-toting vigilante

why wouldn't he fight???

[arcane1]

6. It was Martin who, justifiably, "stood his ground"

That's how I see it.

Zimmerman's goal was to make sure that this one didn't "get away", like "they always" do.

He got more then he bargained for.

Carrying a gun, and knowing the cops may eventually arrive to rescue him, gave him a distorted sense of safety-assured bravado.

Instead, he got his ass kicked (or at least his ego)

Then the coward tries to claim self-defense as he was practically standing in a stranger's backyard.

The crazy thing to me is how much the right wants to stand up for him. His freakin' DAD published a book last week that says black people are the "real" racists!

[Skittles]

8. there's plenty of gun-humping DUer's defending that coward Zimmerman

that is beyond sickening

[Prism]

14. This is the most succinct description of events I've read.

All the elements are there and very much reflect my thinking on the matter. Nice post.

[arcane1]

24. Thanks. That's even more of a compliment since it came before I fixed the quotes :)

[Prism]

31. It's ok. I'm fluent in errant message board format =)

[hfojvt]

50. I am sorta puzzled

as to why you think a guy who is getting his a$$ kicked somehow does NOT have a right to defend himself.

I am not on the right, and the way you described it. Why should I think that a person who does not want to see home burglars "get away" a bad person who deserves to get his a$$ kicked?

[dkf]

55. Yup. If you think Zimmerman was getting his ass kicked that sets up self defense.

Not a good point to concede.

The point that would sell a murder charge is that Zimmerman wasn't in any danger at all and shot Martin for kicks and giggles.

[arcane1]

86. The short answer: he started it. He was seeking an altercation and it didn't go as he planned.

[Progressive dog]

81. Nicely stated, I agree

That RW and NRA pushed the SYG laws through to give their racist buddies the opportunity to hunt people and get away with it .If you are bored with shooting targets and animals, stalk and kill the black child wearing the hoodie, no hunting license required.

[avebury]

10. What does not make sense is that Zimmerman called the

non-emergency number. When I have attended neighborhood association meetings (occasionally with a police officer in attendance) they always tell us to call 911 never the non-emergency number. If Zimmerman was that concerned about Treyvon Martin and there are been all there prior "incidences" at the complex, Zimmerman should have been calling the 911 number. I don't see how Zimmerman can actually convince anybody of how concerned he was about Martin because he was not concerned enough to call 911. You don't react to a real perceived threat by calling a non-emergency number.

[pipoman]

12. I haven't been following this..just speculating..

but maybe he didn't perceive a serious threat until the confrontation went out of control?

[avebury]

19. I live in Oklahoma City which is a highly populated urban area.

The police will tell you point blank that if you see something that concerns you - call 911 do not call the non-emergency number. The length of time for response for a 911 call is a lot faster then a non-emergency number because you do not become high on their priority list. That said, it makes me wonder if he intentionally called the non-emergency number because the response time would be longer and thus give him more time to act as a cop wannabee/vigilante.

If Zimmerman was that concerned because there have been so many prior incidents that occurred in that gated community it just does not make sense to call the non-emergency number. He claims that there has been all these prior incidences but they don't rise to the level of warranting calling 911?

The more I hear about his statements, the evidence and really think about things, the more I think that his story stinks to high heaven.

[Hoyt]

34. I bet he was surprised when some unarmed kid stood up to the bigot with a gun.

So the armed bigot shot him.

[Pelican]

25. Watch the neighborhood watch coordinator's testimony...

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... and the breakdown between when they are supposed to call 911 (emergency) and the non emergency for suspicious activity.

She said that what Zimmerman saw was an example of when you should call the non-emergency line, especially given the fact that a man of similar age and description had been arrested recently in the uptick of burglaries ( mentioned only for context)

I will add that this woman was a prosecution witness...

edit: early morning post

[avebury]

27. It just boggles my mind that this situation would have been a call

non-emergency number. In most highly populated urban areas you will be waiting a really long time for the police to show up if you call the non-emergency number. Non-emergency calls just are not that high on the police's priority list. Zimmerman was an accident waiting to happen. He blatantly violated the rules of neighborhood watch - he carried a gun, he followed the "suspect" and (I don't care how nice they thought the guy was) he was a legal liability to that community. It is only by blind dumb luck that he didn't happen to follow someone who was also packing a gun. In different circumstances he could have just as easily been the one shot dead and justifiable because another person could have deemed him a credible threat.

[Pelican]

29. Whatever national policy may be for neighborhood watch...

The police liaison to the program said the following.

"Do you talk with them about firearms specifically, West asked?

No, it’s not my place to tell participants not to carry a gun, that’s their right."

"West then explored some hypothetical situations and asked her if they were the types of scenarios in which she would advise a NWP participant to report suspicious behavior to the police. He then went on to describe precisely the behavior in which Trayvon Martin had been engaged–wandering aimlessly in the rain, looking into buildings, walking outside of normal paths in areas one would not normally expect a person to walk. Oh, definitely, answered Dorival, that’s exactly the kind of behavior we encourage NWP participants to report to the police."

This woman is a prosecution witness by the way...

[Nine]

69. Zimmerman is not on trial for calling the police. (nt)

[Pelican]

70. Correct... have a cookie...

And?

[Nine]

71. You're the one who brought it up.

What's the point in arguing that Trayvon Martin was acting suspiciously and Zimmerman was correct to call the police? Zimmerman is on trial for murder not for calling the police.

[Pelican]

72. Actually Post #27 brought it up...

... and I provided some detail and context from the day's proceedings.

Read the thread before you just mash out an outraged response.

[B2G]

76. The defense hasn't called any witnesses yet

She was a witness for the prosecution.

[Pelican]

77. Correct...

Wrote that one early in the morning...

[pipoman]

11. I haven't been following

this as closely as you. If it is as you say, and the jury believes Travon threw the first punch, he will likely walk. A fight, especially if someone is beating another's head on the ground, that would be a threat of great physical harm or death.

It will be interesting for sure. How many days is this trial supposed to last?

[Skittles]

15. PLEASE explain to me

why Trayvon is not allowed to punch a gun-toting vigilante who is stalking him FOR NO REASON?

[Llewlladdwr]

30. What is this stalking you're on about?

You do know that there is absolutely *nothing* illegal about following someone who's walking through your neighborhood.

You don't need a reason. There is no "right to not be followed".

You can even *legally* walk right up to a stranger and ask them what they're doing or why they're there. They don't have to answer, of course, but simply asking them a question doesn't give them the right to attack you.

[Hoyt]

35. BS - when it's a bigot with a gun, pick up a brick if that what it takes

to survive.

It ain't legal - or moral - to corner an unarmed kid.

[Recursion]

62. So sucker punching bigots is legal? for everyone?

And do you have bigot radar?

[Hoyt]

64. It's pretty accurate.

[Pelican]

73. Next time you see a bigot, you should punch him and try that rationale in court...

I'll bet it works wonderfully...

[Hoyt]

85. Highly likely I would not make it to court. Most gun toters/lovers/cultists are bigots.

[Rex]

95. Why are people making up stuff about a fight?

Just too desperate to find anything else to come up with?

[Recursion]

98. Witnesses say there was a fight. We don't know who started it.

The prosecution and defense don't contest that there was a fight.

[MillennialDem]

38. Trayvon RAN for 5 minutes after Zimmerman was "stalking" him in his truck. If someone is

giving you the creeps by following you around and you run away from them for FIVE MINUTES and they still catch up to you, I think that probably gave Martin fear in his mind that Zimmerman could have done him harm.

Self defense only requires a reasonable sense of fear that you will be harmed. It does not require the "offending" party commits an illegal act.

Let's say for example a woman is beaten by her husband repeatedly. He also has a favorite insult word to use on her while he beats her up, let's just say he calls her "fatty". She decides to run away all the way across the country, well over a thousand miles away. She does not get a restraining order.

Out of the blue while in a public place, her now ex husband shows up. She sees him and tries to run away from him, he chases her and yells "come here fatty!". None of that is illegal.

Would she be justified in self defense? Most likely yes. Almost certainly the use of non-deadly force self defense.

[Skittles]

67. I'm pretty sure that is the part you defenders do NOT understand

Trayvon was, yes, STALKEDfor NO REASON other than his appearance - do you really think Zimmerman would have treated, say, a middle-aged gal the same way? Keep in mind Trayvon was where he was supposed to be, MINDING HIS OWN BUSINESS

[Pelican]

75. Well, technically a middle aged gal had not been recently arrested for burglary in the neighborhood.

So I don't think the comparison holds.

[Skittles]

87. LOL

it's not like anyone would be looking for them!!! Trayvon was targeted for his race - it's an utter DISGRACE.

[backwoodsbob]

37. that's news to me

was he following him with gun drawn?

Could I get a link to that?

[pipoman]

74. You are not allowed to punch someone

for following you...in any state I am aware of..

[Skittles]

88. he was being STALKED

something happened that made him FEAR FOR HIS LIFE -- that is called STANDING YOUR GROUND

[pipoman]

90. Maybe..

I've seen a fair amount of people convicted of battery under similar circumstances. Not saying it should be, just that it usually is believed that the first person to lay hands on another person committed battery and anything which results goes back to that person. Most judges I've heard in these cases don't excuse the action because the person was saying bad things or even threatening to do something. And "stalked" has a very specific legal definition which includes repeated menacing acts, not necessarily illegal individually, that when combined makes the person fear for their safety. This would more likely be some form of harassment..in the statutory sense..as I said, it will be interesting...and I haven't followed the details of this case very closely..there is certainly a chance I am missing something..also, it is impossible to forecast a jury decision..

How much longer is the trial supposed to last?

[Skittles]

91. he REPEATEDLY targeted what he perceived to be "young punks"

they did not have to be necessarily DOING anything suspicious - they just had to LOOK the part - THAT IS HARASSMENT. It sickens me to see that gun humping coward playing the victim - HE STALKED AND MURDERED AN INNOCENT TEENAGER.

[niyad]

16. according to the autopsy report, NO zimmy dna found on martin. wounds not consistent with

fight as described by zimmy. no marks on zimmy's clothing, no grass stains, etc. only marks on martin's clothes. no fight. martin face down, with hands underneath him. could not have been fighting. zimmy even admits that martin was face down. not exactly a threat, would you say?

[Pelican]

63. I saw some initial reports from witnesses that had Martin on top of Zimmerman...

Did those fall through?

[XemaSab]

17. So what if Trayvon threw the first punch?

Some dude's creeping on you in a dark alley, the guy's not wanting to share the Good News about Jesus with you.

If Zimmerman didn't want a fight, he shouldn't have gone chasing Trayvon down.

[avebury]

20. Had Trayvon been carring a gun he would have been

justified in taking out Zimmerman.

[Hoyt]

36. Agree completely, but police probably would have shot him,

certainly thrown him in jail that night.

[sad-cafe]

21. Exactly

Zimmy was looking for a fight, wanted to do just what he did. I even bet he doesn't understand why he isn't considered a hero and probably doesn't understand why he is on trial

asshole looks wacked out during court. A few times I thought maybe he was sleeping

[Mariana]

46. He does appear to be doped to the gills

doesn't he? I suspect he's on some serious tranks. Interesting, if so. Is he so explosive that that's the only way to keep him under control, and keep his mouth shut in the courtroom? Maybe his lawyers are afraid that if he's fully conscious, he'll start spontaneously raving about fucking punks and assholes that always get away.

[uppityperson]

59. Or he could be stressed out about the murder trial

Which he should be.

[Mariana]

82. Oh, certainly, that could be.

But to be dosed to the point of showing no reaction at all to anything that's going on, and even appearing to doze off from time to time, is a bit much. It can't be winning him any points with the jury.

Of course, I'm just speculating. Maybe he's like this all the time.

[Rex]

44. There is absolutely no evidence that shows a physical altercation.

I don't know where people are getting this misinformation from.

[Pelican]

52. Zimmermans wounds and reports of seeing Martin on top...

... are where most of it comes from.

[Rex]

92. Really someone saw the altercation? The BS just keeps getting deeper.

There are no wounds or DNA on Martin hands or body from Zim. Why do people keep lying about this? So now people saw Martin on top? Funny how that was all decided on bullshit, guess you didn't get the memo.

[Pelican]

99. Read carefully....

I said the reports that he was seen on top that came out as part of the initial reporting. I didn't speak to their accuracy.

Also, there is no denying that Zimmerman had some wounds. You can go all conspiracy theory and say that he did it to himself or argue over their severity but not their existence.

Take a breathe and don't try so hard to be offended...

[Hoyt]

65. Fox, Stormfront, freepers forum, NRA, KKK, the yahoo next door, etc.

[Rex]

94. Some here too, how pathetic and desperate are they?

There is no proof of a physical altercation. Some here just want Martin to end up being a victim, while Zim walks free. It is pathetically obvious some here have a clear and sad agenda.

[snooper2]

100. There is a trial going on, and the cool thing is..

You can watch it live!

Why don't you watch it instead of getting pissed about people stating what they have learned and know to be the case.


"Some here just want Martin to be the victim"

Call them out, how about a link to someone?

[moondust]

47. What I want to know at this point is

did the police follow up on all the previous 911 calls Zimmerman made reporting "black guys" in the neighborhood, and if so what did the police find? Are there incident reports? That information would seem to help one side or the other as far as Zimmerman's credibility, potential racial profiling, etc.

If the police didn't find anything was Zimmerman then making stuff up in an effort to "create some action" that he might later be rewarded for, i.e. self-promotion?

I don't think the judge has ruled yet on whether or not to allow those previous calls into the proceedings.

[Incitatus]

53. "These fucking punks always get away"

That statement, along with him getting out of his car with a gun to pursue Trayvon gives an indication as to who the instigator was. Trayvon just wanted to go home. Zimmerman was looking for trouble and apparently already has his mind made up as to what Trayvon was

[Notafraidtoo]

60. I have noticed

That some of the most staunch supporters of the NRA here on the Gun forum also go out of their way to defend Zimmerman,I thought this was a Democratic website that tombstones teabaggers. I can understand being pro gun and being democrat but to be pro NRA and Stand your ground a ALEC law well you are just a Republican on a forum that doesn't want you.

[Kingofalldems]

66. +1000

Zimmerman fan club out in force.

[mainstreetonce]

78. Body on grass

Defense says Martin used concrete sidewalk as a weapon?

Looks like Zimmerman took one punish to the nose. He says he was hit about 25 times. Not one bruise on his face,
Cuts on head most likely from contact with small stones in grass.

no blood or DNA on Martin should prove Zimmerman's story untrue

[WCLinolVir]

79. You can't use the P word because it it sexist and misogynistic. Unless you a d#@@.

[BlueStreak]

83. But I notice the media never had a problem talking about "Pussy Riot"

Seems to me they kind of enjoyed saying that.

Over and over and over ...

[BlueToTheBone]

84. There were no marks on Trayvon's hands

he was just killed.

[yardwork]

89. No evidence that Trayvon ever hit Zimmerman

That's the killer's excuse.

[Rex]

96. Yeah a few people in this thread keep ignoring that fact.

I guess they didn't get the right talking points from Foxnews. Pretty pathetic.

[yardwork]

101. Zimmerman's entire defense rests on it

So it's not surprising that the internet is full of assurances that Martin hit Zimmerman.

[ksoze]

97. Yeah, two days is enough. Who needs to hear a defense anyway?

And what's with this jury thing? I mean two days of prosecution is enough to see what happened. In fcat,maybe not even alow the defendant in court at all - just arrest, prosecute and move on. Just skip to sentencing.

[yardwork]

102. Two days is more than Trayvon Martin got.

Zimmerman was judge, jury, and executioner.

[WinkyDink]

104. Observers can make up their minds whenever they want. THAT is why jurors are different.