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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsLet's be clear ReTHUGS today are not conservatives
Conservatives understand the value of $40. They fugging conserve. ReTHUGS today are fascists and fundies in any order.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)They're not even Fascists; the Fascists at least had a fucking plan.
malaise
(269,045 posts)they are a barrel of lunatic contradictions.
Still they do have a plan re POWER by any means.
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HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)See "Political conservatism as motivated social cognition (Psychological Bulletin vol 129, pp 339-375
The core dimensions that characterize political conservative appear to be:
1. Opposition to change (privileges status quo or urges return to idealized old state)
2. Acceptance of inequality (legitimizes asymmetries of wealth and status).
Conservative thinking is generally motivated by:
death anxiety
system stability
intolerance to ambiguity
lack of openness to experience (reliance on authorities/authoritative institutions)
lack of tolerance to uncertainty
needs for order/structure/closure
intolerance to integrative complexity (conservatives like things simple)
fear of threat and/or loss
loss of self-esteem
malaise
(269,045 posts)Many political conservatives once believed in thrift and other aspects of frugality
I do accept some aspects of conservative thinking particularly their fear of change
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)I understand the apparent linguistic associations of "conservative" with "conserve"
But, I am not sure that in the political domain that the association is or was ever significantly meaningful.
If you or anyone else has a link or reference to an explanation of the "frugal roots" of political conservatism that would be very interesting. It would certainly historically bound the period in which the shift in meaning took place.
If one employs "conserve" as the underlying verb association with "conservative" you might expect the following:
conservatives would conserve money---i.e. be frugal, but they aren't, unless conserving means building enormous collections of wealth. And the modest home of the oracle of Omaha not withstanding, the wealthy spend...often quite extravagantly and decadently.
You might also expect that conservatives would want to protect the environment from exploitation or pollution, which political conservatives actually don't want to do...,
you might expect that conservatives would want to conserve endangered and threatened species, but political conservatives don't really have much interest there.
Curiously "liberal" has similar rather confounding meanings when you move it from inside to outside the political realm.
Liberal comes from the same root as liberty and you might think that 'liberals' in general promote freedom. But in terms of liberal and neo-liberal economics, left-wing type liberals DO NOT want unfettered freedom for the robber barons. It's the conservatives, and the democrats who love conservatives, who push for neo-liberal economics and freedom from the restrictions of "profit robbing" regulations that liberals put forward to 'conserve' the interests of society as a whole.
Sometimes the words seem very confusing.
loyalsister
(13,390 posts)Just as they were not fiscally conservative during the 00s when they endorsed the Bush tax cuts AND 2 wars.
madrchsod
(58,162 posts)smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)They don't want things to stay the same, they want to bring us back to the middle ages where the majority lived in abject poverty and life was nasty, brutish and short for all but the very privileged.