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Let's be clear ReTHUGS today are not conservatives (Original Post) malaise Feb 2012 OP
They're radicals of the right wing Scootaloo Feb 2012 #1
Good point malaise Feb 2012 #2
Frugality isn't really a quality of political conservatism. HereSince1628 Feb 2012 #3
I disagree with the psychologists re frugality malaise Feb 2012 #5
Of course you're opinion is yours and I respect that. HereSince1628 Feb 2012 #8
You are correct loyalsister Feb 2012 #4
you are correct madrchsod Feb 2012 #6
They are Reactionary. smirkymonkey Feb 2012 #7
Well put malaise Feb 2012 #9
no, they are fascists and bigots fascisthunter Feb 2012 #10
 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
1. They're radicals of the right wing
Tue Feb 14, 2012, 02:45 PM
Feb 2012

They're not even Fascists; the Fascists at least had a fucking plan.

malaise

(269,045 posts)
2. Good point
Tue Feb 14, 2012, 02:47 PM
Feb 2012

they are a barrel of lunatic contradictions.
Still they do have a plan re POWER by any means.

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HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
3. Frugality isn't really a quality of political conservatism.
Tue Feb 14, 2012, 02:48 PM
Feb 2012

See "Political conservatism as motivated social cognition” (Psychological Bulletin vol 129, pp 339-375

The core dimensions that characterize political conservative appear to be:

1. Opposition to change (privileges status quo or urges return to idealized old state)
2. Acceptance of inequality (legitimizes asymmetries of wealth and status).

Conservative thinking is generally motivated by:

death anxiety
system stability
intolerance to ambiguity
lack of openness to experience (reliance on authorities/authoritative institutions)
lack of tolerance to uncertainty
needs for order/structure/closure
intolerance to integrative complexity (conservatives like things simple)
fear of threat and/or loss
loss of self-esteem

malaise

(269,045 posts)
5. I disagree with the psychologists re frugality
Tue Feb 14, 2012, 02:51 PM
Feb 2012

Many political conservatives once believed in thrift and other aspects of frugality

I do accept some aspects of conservative thinking particularly their fear of change

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
8. Of course you're opinion is yours and I respect that.
Tue Feb 14, 2012, 03:55 PM
Feb 2012

I understand the apparent linguistic associations of "conservative" with "conserve"

But, I am not sure that in the political domain that the association is or was ever significantly meaningful.

If you or anyone else has a link or reference to an explanation of the "frugal roots" of political conservatism that would be very interesting. It would certainly historically bound the period in which the shift in meaning took place.

If one employs "conserve" as the underlying verb association with "conservative" you might expect the following:

conservatives would conserve money---i.e. be frugal, but they aren't, unless conserving means building enormous collections of wealth. And the modest home of the oracle of Omaha not withstanding, the wealthy spend...often quite extravagantly and decadently.

You might also expect that conservatives would want to protect the environment from exploitation or pollution, which political conservatives actually don't want to do...,
you might expect that conservatives would want to conserve endangered and threatened species, but political conservatives don't really have much interest there.

Curiously "liberal" has similar rather confounding meanings when you move it from inside to outside the political realm.

Liberal comes from the same root as liberty and you might think that 'liberals' in general promote freedom. But in terms of liberal and neo-liberal economics, left-wing type liberals DO NOT want unfettered freedom for the robber barons. It's the conservatives, and the democrats who love conservatives, who push for neo-liberal economics and freedom from the restrictions of "profit robbing" regulations that liberals put forward to 'conserve' the interests of society as a whole.

Sometimes the words seem very confusing.





loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
4. You are correct
Tue Feb 14, 2012, 02:49 PM
Feb 2012

Just as they were not fiscally conservative during the 00s when they endorsed the Bush tax cuts AND 2 wars.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
7. They are Reactionary.
Tue Feb 14, 2012, 03:04 PM
Feb 2012

They don't want things to stay the same, they want to bring us back to the middle ages where the majority lived in abject poverty and life was nasty, brutish and short for all but the very privileged.

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