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Jarla

(156 posts)
Wed Jun 26, 2013, 04:11 PM Jun 2013

11% of Americans don't have a Photo I.D. Isn't that a problem?

After yesterday's SCOTUS decision on the VRA, I started wondering how many Americans don't have Photo I.D. I came across some pretty sobering statistics from a 2006 telephone survey conducted by the Brennan Center for Justice. Here are a few tidbits from their report:

--As many as 11% of United States citizens – more than 21 million* individuals – do not have government-issued photo identification.

--As many as 7% of United States citizens – 13 million individuals* – do not have ready access to citizenship documents.

--At least 12% of voting-age American citizens earning less than $25,000 per year do not have a readily available U.S. passport, naturalization document, or birth certificate.

--Many of those who possess ready documentation of their citizenship do not have documentation that reflects their current name. For example, only 66% of voting-age women with ready access to any proof of citizenship have a document with current legal name.

--18% of American citizens age 65 and above do not have current government-issued photo ID

--25% of African-American voting-age citizens have no current government-issued photo ID, compared to 8% of white voting-age citizens. This amounts to more than 5.5 million* adult African-American citizens without photo identification.

--16% of Hispanic voting-age citizens have no current government-issued photo ID

--At at least 15% of voting-age American citizens earning less than $35,000 per year do not have a valid government-issued photo ID.

--10% of voting-age citizens who have current photo ID do not have photo ID with both their current address and their current legal name. This is especially true for young adults.

*Numbers reflect 2000 census data

Keep in mind that this study was conducted as a telephone survey, and telephone surveys, by their nature, tend to under-represent the poor because the poor are less likely to have access to a working phone. Thus, the percentage of Americans without photo ID is quite likely higher than the figures reported here. (Also, this survey was done in 2006, before the economy totally crashed.) Plus, this survey only included U.S. citizens and not other types of U.S. residents.

Isn't this a problem?!

Besides concerns about voter ID laws, the lack of valid photo identification makes it very difficult to do many things in life, such as applying for a job, opening a bank account, receiving health-care, applying for state benefits, taking the GED, applying for a library card, etc.

And getting a government-issued photo ID is not an easy process, even under the best of circumstances. I've done it four times in the last ten years (2 states and 2 passports), so I speak from experience. In order to get photo identification, I've had to reorder my lost birth certificate (which required certain documents to prove my identity), and I've had to change my name on my social security card after getting married (which required a marriage certificate).

It takes money, time, access to transportation, some kind of proof of your existence, and a permanent address to do these things!
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11% of Americans don't have a Photo I.D. Isn't that a problem? (Original Post) Jarla Jun 2013 OP
Actually it's the POINT BainsBane Jun 2013 #1
Yup. Nothing else needs to be said. nt City Lights Jun 2013 #22
Binto (nt) Recursion Jun 2013 #29
I feel your pain. KamaAina Jun 2013 #2
Go online, make an appointment and you'll never have to wait in line SoCalDem Jun 2013 #10
It's time for national registration of all. We CAN get around parts of what the Supreme Mess did. Gregorian Jun 2013 #3
GOTID datasuspect Jun 2013 #4
Good point. Having to pay even a dime to vote = poll tax. JaneyVee Jun 2013 #5
I'm not "just" concerned about voting, though Jarla Jun 2013 #7
When I moved from NY to NJ tabbycat31 Jun 2013 #6
Mail in ballot -- No ID necessary. Downwinder Jun 2013 #8
But the lack of photo ID marginalizes people in many areas of life, not only voting Jarla Jun 2013 #9
Not near as much as health does. Downwinder Jun 2013 #12
Possibly.... Jarla Jun 2013 #19
True Downwinder Jun 2013 #21
The government is increasingly making it necessary for people to have photo ID PoliticAverse Jun 2013 #28
Not for the GOP. Rex Jun 2013 #11
I don't have one The Straight Story Jun 2013 #13
How much does that affect you? Jarla Jun 2013 #14
A lot right now in some ways The Straight Story Jun 2013 #15
Ugh! It really is a vicious cycle. I hope some good things come your way soon. Jarla Jun 2013 #17
need a car to get a job|need a job to get a car frylock Jun 2013 #24
Put a federal photo ID center in every post office. PADemD Jun 2013 #16
that's a good thought! Jarla Jun 2013 #18
Thank you. PADemD Jun 2013 #20
Good thought, but they should be free MiniMe Jun 2013 #23
Which is what the Supreme Court ruled in the case of Voter ID requirements. PoliticAverse Jun 2013 #26
Not necessarily meow2u3 Jun 2013 #30
Those people don't deserve to vote! mhatrw Jun 2013 #25
I would prefer not to have an ID SlipperySlope Jun 2013 #27
The point of voter id laws is deny the vote to as many people as possible Gothmog Jun 2013 #31
 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
2. I feel your pain.
Wed Jun 26, 2013, 04:15 PM
Jun 2013

I still have my Hawai'i ID. To get a California ID, one must go to the infamous DMV, which is not in the center of town (I do not drive), and wait. And wait, and wait, and wait. And at the end of the day, what you get is a printout that says "Temporary California ID"; the actual ID is mailed to you within thirty days. Thirty days?! Needless to say, TSA is not happy when you show up at the airport with a piece of paper that says "Temporary California ID".

SoCalDem

(103,856 posts)
10. Go online, make an appointment and you'll never have to wait in line
Wed Jun 26, 2013, 04:30 PM
Jun 2013

Our DMV is one of the busiest and I am always in and out in less than 15 minutes.

I was skeptical when I did it for the first time, but it actually works ..and works well..

 

datasuspect

(26,591 posts)
4. GOTID
Wed Jun 26, 2013, 04:19 PM
Jun 2013

in addition to GOTV efforts i reckon.

people will need to work harder to help others get documents.

shouldn't be that way, but it looks like it will be that way.

(GOTID - Get Out The ID)

Jarla

(156 posts)
7. I'm not "just" concerned about voting, though
Wed Jun 26, 2013, 04:26 PM
Jun 2013

The lack of photo ID marginalizes people in many areas of life.

tabbycat31

(6,336 posts)
6. When I moved from NY to NJ
Wed Jun 26, 2013, 04:24 PM
Jun 2013

I waited 1.5 years to change over my drivers license (and only did so when the NY one expired). The reason being that I had to again prove who I was to the MVC in NJ and it took me that long to get the proper documentation to do so. (My parents had my original birth certificate, but prying it away from them was easier said than done. I didn't even attempt to bring a copy.).

In NJ you have to provide 6 'points' in order to get a drivers license there. If you're transferring an out of state license to a NJ one, that only counts as one point.

To renew your license in NJ, that is an ordeal too. In NY you didn't even need to show up in person and you could do it by mail. In NJ you also have to prove the 6 points again and again (your current license was worth 2-3 IIRC) and I again had to bring them my birth certificate.

If my parents were not meticulous about keeping documents, I'm not sure what i would have done. I haven't had a valid passport since I was a child.

Downwinder

(12,869 posts)
12. Not near as much as health does.
Wed Jun 26, 2013, 04:35 PM
Jun 2013

You have to understand, if someone does not have a picture ID it is because they don't need one. They are not flying, driving or frequenting bars. Their bank, Pharmacy and Drs know them.

Jarla

(156 posts)
19. Possibly....
Wed Jun 26, 2013, 05:13 PM
Jun 2013

But sometimes people don't have ID's because they don't have enough money or the proper documentation to get one.

I know someone who's worked in a homeless shelter. And he says that one of the first things they help new residents do is get a photo ID, because a lot of homeless people don't have one (either lost or stolen), and it's very hard to get back on your feet without one.

Downwinder

(12,869 posts)
21. True
Wed Jun 26, 2013, 05:36 PM
Jun 2013

For me it is not worth the effort to get one. I prefer to cost them an additional $20 for every vote I make. If they would make IDs available at my polling station or ever the county courthouses I would get one.

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
28. The government is increasingly making it necessary for people to have photo ID
Thu Jun 27, 2013, 02:34 PM
Jun 2013

I had to renew my drivers license before the bank would let me open an IRA.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
11. Not for the GOP.
Wed Jun 26, 2013, 04:31 PM
Jun 2013

And they will gerrymander the districts even further to guarantee a victory.

The Straight Story

(48,121 posts)
13. I don't have one
Wed Jun 26, 2013, 04:35 PM
Jun 2013

My CA driver's license expired after I came to Ohio and my car is dead and gone (I miss you bessie!) - the only place to get one now is the west side of Columbus (I live on far east side). Even if the driver test was free and I had a loaner car I would not have the money for gas or the fees. And even if I had a ride to get a state ID I would probably need my birth certificate (which is $25 plus bus fare or $40 to order online) which I also don't have (I think my X threw it away way back in the 90's along with a lot of my old books).

I have passed my drivers' test in Ohio when I was younger, passed one in CA, and now have to take both written and driving for a third time...sigh, such is life

Jarla

(156 posts)
14. How much does that affect you?
Wed Jun 26, 2013, 04:49 PM
Jun 2013

I worry about how the lack of ID might create obstacles in a lot of areas of someone's life.... in addition to voting.

The Straight Story

(48,121 posts)
15. A lot right now in some ways
Wed Jun 26, 2013, 04:59 PM
Jun 2013

Hard to get a job without one (have a part time job already). It is like a bad cycle - no money for a license and car which makes it hard to get the good jobs I know I can get (computer field, have some old co-workers who could hire me in if I had a way there).

Off work for a spell until my Dr releases me back so no income at all really. It is a cycle that is hard to break - on the brink of getting life working really well after many years of frustrations and problems. But the little things have become huge mountains. Had a chance to get a good car from a neighbor for 500 bucks - but no license, no money, no way to get a full time job, license, etc....

As far as showing ID - don't really go to bars Don't have a regular bank account to worry about (have a debit card). If I had a few bucks to buy some beer or something I know a gas station that does not ask for ID.

PADemD

(4,482 posts)
16. Put a federal photo ID center in every post office.
Wed Jun 26, 2013, 05:04 PM
Jun 2013

It's too inconvenient to acquire a photo ID at state driving license centers.

PADemD

(4,482 posts)
20. Thank you.
Wed Jun 26, 2013, 05:14 PM
Jun 2013

There is a post office in each of three small towns within 3-4 miles of my house, and I live in a rural area of PA. The nearest driver license center is approximately 12 miles away and has restricted hours for photo ID.

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
26. Which is what the Supreme Court ruled in the case of Voter ID requirements.
Thu Jun 27, 2013, 02:24 PM
Jun 2013

Unless a voter can get the required ID for free it constitutes a poll tax.

meow2u3

(24,764 posts)
30. Not necessarily
Thu Jun 27, 2013, 02:44 PM
Jun 2013

The supporting docs needed to get an ID costs money to the government, constituting a tax they call fees. And it's tough to have the fees waived.

mhatrw

(10,786 posts)
25. Those people don't deserve to vote!
Thu Jun 27, 2013, 02:18 PM
Jun 2013

I say your credit score must be over 700 to vote in any corpocracy such as the USA.

SlipperySlope

(2,751 posts)
27. I would prefer not to have an ID
Thu Jun 27, 2013, 02:26 PM
Jun 2013

I would honestly prefer not to have a legal identity, except the world is set up so that would be an incredible pain to live with.

Gothmog

(145,252 posts)
31. The point of voter id laws is deny the vote to as many people as possible
Thu Jun 27, 2013, 03:05 PM
Jun 2013

There are ways to fight the Texas voter id law. One lawsuit has already been filed and other lawsuits will be filed. In addition, there are plans to help people get the correct id

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