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CatWoman

(79,302 posts)
Thu Jun 27, 2013, 06:13 PM Jun 2013

Remember the Paula Deen/Anthony Bourdain "feud"?

Former New York Times restaurant critic and "pretty bad columnist" Frank Bruni has boldly turned against Paula Deen today. Back in 2011, Bruni wrote an opinion piece ("Unsavory Culinary Elitism&quot that went after Anthony Bourdain for talking shit about Paula Deen. At the time, Bourdain had recently told TV Guide "The worst, most dangerous person to America is clearly Paula Deen." "She revels in unholy connections with evil corporations," said Bourdain. "And she's proud of the fact that her food is fucking bad for you."

And today Bruni has completely changed his opinion of Paula Deen. In "Paula's Worst Ingredients," he just tears into her without ever mentioning that he was previously a Deen apologist. You get lines like: "Paula Deen is where sass meets crass, where the homespun and folksy curdle into something with a sour aftertaste." Bruni calls her pharma deal "triumphant cynicism." He says her "worst ingredient" is her "willful obtuseness."

http://eater.com/archives/2013/06/25/frank-bruni-does-a-complete-180-on-paula-deen.php

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Remember the Paula Deen/Anthony Bourdain "feud"? (Original Post) CatWoman Jun 2013 OP
Anthony Bourdain was right zappaman Jun 2013 #1
Amazing how many people putting their finger in the wind lately Hydra Jun 2013 #2
Indecent exposure for Bruni BeyondGeography Jun 2013 #3
I can't stand Bourdain. I am not happy with Deen and her racism however, enough is southernyankeebelle Jun 2013 #4
maybe she'll invite you over for a Sambo Burger CatWoman Jun 2013 #6
Please read my comment. I am disgusted by what she said. But how many ways do southernyankeebelle Jun 2013 #12
She discriminated against darker-skinned employees for years. Arugula Latte Jun 2013 #18
Ok, am not trying to change anyones mind. You are entitled to your feelings. I southernyankeebelle Jun 2013 #21
Her apology was a non-apology. Arugula Latte Jun 2013 #24
did she say she was sorry? hollysmom Jun 2013 #31
I guess some people aren't happy unless she does a Tammy Faye apology and gets southernyankeebelle Jun 2013 #33
no, she is too close to Tammy Faye already. hollysmom Jun 2013 #34
Well not to close yet. She is still alive you know, LOL southernyankeebelle Jun 2013 #35
To a lot of us she is publicly dead now. Walk away Jun 2013 #36
I will not buy any of her products ever. But then I wouldn't buy many of these cook's products. southernyankeebelle Jun 2013 #37
Companies have the right to hire and fire who they want... Walk away Jul 2013 #39
Some people just suck. Amerigo Vespucci Jun 2013 #20
word CatWoman Jun 2013 #22
At what age do you consider a person old? RebelOne Jun 2013 #7
Am 65. I consider that old. Sorry when your reach the age of 65 and collect social security southernyankeebelle Jun 2013 #13
She's apparently appealed to Jesse Jackson for help... PoliticAverse Jun 2013 #8
I believe she only aplogized Texasgal Jun 2013 #9
This was her second chance. peacefreak Jun 2013 #14
Geesh she NOT THAT OLD!! WTF but she is sure old enough to know better Raine Jun 2013 #16
Am answering someonelse question about age. I agree with you. She should know southernyankeebelle Jun 2013 #17
Well, as my momma would say: GoneOffShore Jun 2013 #26
Bit of new info......Another client dropped her...... QVC.... Gin Jun 2013 #5
Love Bourdain LittleBlue Jun 2013 #10
Me too. He is a refreshing voice out there. Arugula Latte Jun 2013 #19
I can't stand Deen nor Bourdain bigwillq Jun 2013 #11
Ditto.. southernyankeebelle Jun 2013 #15
Yes, I remember. Deen ducked the issue that Bourdain was raising mnhtnbb Jun 2013 #23
I think part of the reason her fanbase is so rabid is that she justifies the Easy Way. Arugula Latte Jun 2013 #25
There's too much glee in the piling on. Beacool Jun 2013 #27
I don't look at it as "piling on" CatWoman Jun 2013 #28
Bourdain was spot on. (But I must say...Bourdain's food shows don't showcase healthy food.) Honeycombe8 Jun 2013 #29
I have always liked Bourdain arely staircase Jun 2013 #30
I miss NO RESERVATIONS zappaman Jun 2013 #38
"The worst, most dangerous person to America is clearly Paula Deen." Lex Jun 2013 #32

zappaman

(20,606 posts)
1. Anthony Bourdain was right
Thu Jun 27, 2013, 06:16 PM
Jun 2013

and he is awesome.
What I wouldn't give to hang out with him for a few days in any city...

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
2. Amazing how many people putting their finger in the wind lately
Thu Jun 27, 2013, 06:20 PM
Jun 2013

No loyalty except to what's currently the fad.

BeyondGeography

(39,376 posts)
3. Indecent exposure for Bruni
Thu Jun 27, 2013, 06:35 PM
Jun 2013

And how great is Bourdain? I think my guts would explode if I ever traveled with him (if the hangovers didn't kill me first) but I love to watch.

 

southernyankeebelle

(11,304 posts)
4. I can't stand Bourdain. I am not happy with Deen and her racism however, enough is
Thu Jun 27, 2013, 06:56 PM
Jun 2013

enough. I don't know what else she can do. She has said she is sorry. I just don't think that we keep kicking a person down. Wheter you like her cooking or not I think its time to give her time to retreat and work her racism out on her own. Find something that will help her redeem herself. Everyone deserves a 2d chance. I think some like picking on her because she is old. Enough already. She has lost a lot of business.

 

southernyankeebelle

(11,304 posts)
12. Please read my comment. I am disgusted by what she said. But how many ways do
Thu Jun 27, 2013, 07:24 PM
Jun 2013

you want a person to say she is sorry. I mean americans are better than that. What happened to accepting a person apology? She lost her show. Personnel I think she should get out of the media limelight and give people some time. But I don't believe in beating a person while the are already down. I don't like racist, period. But I believe in forgiving people. Hopefully she will find some way to bridge what she has said to help some in her minority community. I am not letting her off. I just think enough of the pilling on.

 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
18. She discriminated against darker-skinned employees for years.
Thu Jun 27, 2013, 07:52 PM
Jun 2013

Sorry, it's more than just letting a few bad words slip.

 

southernyankeebelle

(11,304 posts)
21. Ok, am not trying to change anyones mind. You are entitled to your feelings. I
Thu Jun 27, 2013, 08:15 PM
Jun 2013

just don't believe in beating a person over and over until they are down and out already. Apparently you think differently.

 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
24. Her apology was a non-apology.
Thu Jun 27, 2013, 09:13 PM
Jun 2013

She blamed "young people." WTF? Queen Deen doesn't think she has to to show respect for anyone because she sees herself as above those dark-skinned folks. She can take her millions and slink off to shovel butter into her mouth for the rest of her days. I'm not sorry for her at all.

When asked whether people find the n-word racist, Deen said, "I don’t know, I have asked myself that so many times. I go into my kitchens and hear what these young people are calling each other. It’s very distressing for me. I think for this problem to be worked on these young people are gonna have to take control and start showing respect for each other."

hollysmom

(5,946 posts)
31. did she say she was sorry?
Thu Jun 27, 2013, 11:13 PM
Jun 2013

it seemed to me she did the victim apology tour - well you all are just picking on me.

I have yet to hear an acceptable apology for her -

for example - I should not have dismissed employees for complaining about my brother's sexual harassment, my poor choice in language, et al - what was accepted no longer is, I have learned.

instead we get - well if you never said anything wrong throw a rock at my head and kill me now.

plus she is carrying all that blatant commercialism with her diabetes plugs - but then they dropped her as well.

every time she says she is old and that is how people behave, I have to yell at the screen that I am older than her and know a lot better and I don't have a professional PR person working for me.

 

southernyankeebelle

(11,304 posts)
33. I guess some people aren't happy unless she does a Tammy Faye apology and gets
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 09:11 AM
Jun 2013

down on the ground begging and begging for forgiveness. She made 2 clips of apologies. You may not have thought them sincere but it's up to the people who she hurt to forgive her. I just don't believe in over kill. Some people aren't happy unless they put her at the stake. I thing what she said is terrible but I also feel what is going on is overkill.

Walk away

(9,494 posts)
36. To a lot of us she is publicly dead now.
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 06:18 PM
Jun 2013

I don't need her to grovel, there is no "way back". There are better cooks and better products out there. Her name is tainted. I'm sure I can find someone to buy from who isn't a bigot.

 

southernyankeebelle

(11,304 posts)
37. I will not buy any of her products ever. But then I wouldn't buy many of these cook's products.
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 06:21 PM
Jun 2013

I think they are way over priced. But on the other hand I don't think companies should fire her either. She has a right to make a living. To me I'll never watch or buy her products. People should have that right that want to buy her products.

Walk away

(9,494 posts)
39. Companies have the right to hire and fire who they want...
Tue Jul 2, 2013, 11:15 AM
Jul 2013

especially if their contracts allow them to. What ever she did or said made her less marketable. Who in their right mind would advocate forcing a business to sell her crap if they don't want to.

Amerigo Vespucci

(30,885 posts)
20. Some people just suck.
Thu Jun 27, 2013, 08:10 PM
Jun 2013

I don't see this as "Paula Deen is being crucified for using the 'n-word,'" I see it as "enough is enough."

The irony of ironies is that Smithfield dropped her. She ducked the controversy over labor conditions, claiming that no one at Smithfield told her anything was wrong. Of course, she didn;t talk to the workers, she talked to the CEO, and I'm sure he had no complaints.

This is a matter of Paula Deen sucking as a human being.

She got voted off the island. Should have happened long ago. And, yes, I do not acknowledge her as a "real chef." DUers who know me know that I not only have a love affair with food photography ("food porn&quot , but I also fancy myself to be pretty capable in the kitchen. I've never prepared a Paula Deen recipe and never would.

RebelOne

(30,947 posts)
7. At what age do you consider a person old?
Thu Jun 27, 2013, 07:01 PM
Jun 2013

I am older than she is, but do not consider myself old. How old are you? I assume you are under 40.

 

southernyankeebelle

(11,304 posts)
13. Am 65. I consider that old. Sorry when your reach the age of 65 and collect social security
Thu Jun 27, 2013, 07:25 PM
Jun 2013

that is elderly. In my heart am young.

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
8. She's apparently appealed to Jesse Jackson for help...
Thu Jun 27, 2013, 07:12 PM
Jun 2013

CHICAGO -- Civil rights leader Rev. Jesse Jackson says he's agreed to help celebrity chef Paula Deen try to make amends for her past use of a racial slur, saying she shouldn't become a "sacrificial lamb" over the issue of racial intolerance.

Jackson told The Associated Press on Wednesday that Deen called him this week, and they discussed how she might recover.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/26/jesse-jackson-paula-deen_n_3506218.html

Texasgal

(17,045 posts)
9. I believe she only aplogized
Thu Jun 27, 2013, 07:20 PM
Jun 2013

because she got busted.

I guess I would too if 17 million earning potential was at stake.

peacefreak

(2,939 posts)
14. This was her second chance.
Thu Jun 27, 2013, 07:25 PM
Jun 2013

The first time she blew it was when she wtihheld the news of her diabetes for a couple of years while shilling the very things that contributed to the disease. Then she turned around & profited by pushing pharma. Time's up, Paula. Exit stage right.

Raine

(30,540 posts)
16. Geesh she NOT THAT OLD!! WTF but she is sure old enough to know better
Thu Jun 27, 2013, 07:27 PM
Jun 2013

I'm sick to death of her age being thrown into this thing. My mother was older than her and knew better. I'm not that much younger than her and I know better ... using her age and her era is just BS!

mnhtnbb

(31,397 posts)
23. Yes, I remember. Deen ducked the issue that Bourdain was raising
Thu Jun 27, 2013, 09:10 PM
Jun 2013

about her unhealthy cooking by making a cutesy comment about
how someone must have peed in his cereal that morning. More mouthing
off from Paula...but no acknowledgement of the issue.

Turns out...after the fact...that she was diabetic at the time and hadn't
told her viewers/followers about it.

For my money, Paula's mouth has finally caught up with her. No regrets
at seeing her lose her empire. She's been pushing unhealthy cooking...for
her own profit...for a long time and ignoring the truth.

 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
25. I think part of the reason her fanbase is so rabid is that she justifies the Easy Way.
Thu Jun 27, 2013, 09:16 PM
Jun 2013

They want fat, they want butter, they want sugar, they want fried -- quantities be damned, moderation be damned -- and she gives it to them, and makes them feel good about it. No pesky, healthy "Food Police" for them, dammit, they're Amurikins and if they want to eat themselves to an early grave well, boy howdy, that's what Freedom is all about!

Beacool

(30,250 posts)
27. There's too much glee in the piling on.
Thu Jun 27, 2013, 09:34 PM
Jun 2013

I have noticed that when someone reaches a certain level of success, there are always those who can't wait to tear them down.

I'm not a big fan of Deen and she appears to still not get it (her apologies were cringe worthy), but neither has she killed or maimed anyone.

The overreaction, mostly by the media, is becoming overkill and making her to be the underdog. That's why I think that her upcoming book has become the #1 best seller in Amazon. That's one way for people to express their support. They can't control the media nor the sponsors who have dropped her like a hot potato, but they can still buy her book.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
29. Bourdain was spot on. (But I must say...Bourdain's food shows don't showcase healthy food.)
Thu Jun 27, 2013, 10:06 PM
Jun 2013

He'll eat just about anything. But at least he eats a variety of native foods in various countries, and doesn't specifically go after high-fat, sodium-ladened food. But he doesn't shy away from them, either.

arely staircase

(12,482 posts)
30. I have always liked Bourdain
Thu Jun 27, 2013, 10:14 PM
Jun 2013

I never even knew who Deen was until the "her own food is killing her" ironic shit from a while back.

Thought his No Reservations show was one of the bright spots in the vast wasteland of teevee. Haven't caught his new one on CNN .

So Bruni never even acknowledges Bourdain was right about this woman way back and he was wrong?

zappaman

(20,606 posts)
38. I miss NO RESERVATIONS
Fri Jun 28, 2013, 06:22 PM
Jun 2013

The CNN one just doesn't work as well for me and I'm not sure why.
It is beautifully shot though...

Lex

(34,108 posts)
32. "The worst, most dangerous person to America is clearly Paula Deen."
Thu Jun 27, 2013, 11:15 PM
Jun 2013

I wish that were so. She sucks but Bourdain's statement is pretty stupid.

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