FBI Knew of Plot to Execute Occupy Activists but Did Nothing

[Octafish]

FBI Document—“(DELETED)” Plots To Kill Occupy Leaders “If Deemed Necessary”

By Dave Lindorff
June 27, 2013 WhoWhatWhy.org

Would you be shocked to learn that the FBI apparently knew that some organization, perhaps even a law enforcement agency or private security outfit, had contingency plans to assassinate peaceful protestors in a major American city — and did nothing to intervene?

Would you be surprised to learn that this intelligence comes not from a shadowy whistle-blower but from the FBI itself – specifically, from a document obtained from Houston FBI office last December, as part of a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request filed by the Washington, DC-based Partnership for Civil Justice Fund?

To repeat: this comes from the FBI itself. The question, then, is: What did the FBI do about it?

The Plot

Remember the Occupy Movement? The peaceful crowds that camped out in the center of a number of cities in the fall of 2011, calling for some recognition by local, state and federal authorities that our democratic system was out of whack, controlled by corporate interests, and in need of immediate repair?

That movement swept the US beginning in mid-September 2011. When, in early October, the movement came to Houston, Texas, law enforcement officials and the city’s banking and oil industry executives freaked out perhaps even more so than they did in some other cities. The push-back took the form of violent assaults by police on Occupy activists, federal and local surveillance of people seen as organizers, infiltration by police provocateurs—and, as crazy as it sounds, some kind of plot to assassinate the “leaders” of this non-violent and leaderless movement.

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http://whowhatwhy.com/2013/06/27/fbi-document-deleted-plots-to-kill-occupy-leaders-if-deemed-necessary/

Secret Police. Secret Spying. Secret Laws. Secret Detentions. Secret Executions...Anyone seeing a pattern, here?

[Ichingcarpenter]

1. The FBI should be arrested for leaking

You'd think ?


I wasn't sure of the story earlier until I looked at the memo for authenticity.

[Octafish]

10. FBI found an all-day sucker in the CPUSA...

"The FBI had so infiltrated the ranks of (Communist Party USA) that agents and informants could actually make party policy." -- Spying on America: The FBI's Domestic Counter-Intelligence Program

http://tinyurl.com/o5cgey8

[iamthebandfanman]

139. the CPUSA has always been a joke

don't kid yourself.

silly self proclaimed Stalinists :p

if you ask me, they've been nothing but a front to make folks on the extreme left look bad for a while now. Ive had a few unpleasant email exchanges with them myself...
and I consider myself a die-hard socialist

[yurbud]

169. NATO had the same level of penetration of commie terrorists group that killed Aldo Moro

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio#1978_Murder_of_Aldo_Moro

[L0oniX]

28. They're traitors I tell ya.

[villager]

126. If they leak, maybe the authoritarians on this site would finally start questioning them!

n/t

[Baitball Blogger]

2. Would not surprise me in the least.

I know for a fact that people send them information that would uncover government corruption and they won't do anything about it.

Not until it goes national does that change.

[Ichingcarpenter]

7. CIA embedded in NY police Dept.

During that latter period, it said, he participated in — and directed — “N.Y.P.D. investigations, operations, and surveillance activities directed at U.S. persons and non-U.S. persons.”





http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/27/nyregion/cia-sees-concerns-on-ties-to-new-york-police.html?_r=0

[geek tragedy]

8. so the claim is that the FBI uncovered a plot involving the CIA/NYPD to shoot

Occupy protestors in Houston, did absolutely nothing about it, and then decided to release evidence of this in a FOIA release?

This makes Darrel Issa's claims look plausible.

[Ichingcarpenter]

11. NO It means that

the CIA is involved with domestic surveillance and works with the FBI.

[Octafish]

17. DU talked about it recently, a bit...

...one of the many important things that Corporate McPravda won't touch.

Anyone else old enough to remember when COINTELPRO was murdering citizens by the dozen?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2320845

[mbperrin]

91. I'm that old.

I'd like to say I was even surprised about plans to murder Occupy folk, but I'd be lying.

My stupid student editorials in college netted me an FBI file. They obviously don't have enough to do.

[Octafish]

97. Imagine what J Edgar Hoover could do with PRISM?

As it was -- using just index cards -- he had records on 450,000 Americans. Of those, he tagged 60,000 for more extensive surveillance.

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/USAhooverE.htm

Of course, Admiral Poindexter and General Alexander are nothing like Mr. Hoover. In fact, they are like Raymond Shaw: the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human beings I've ever known in my life.

Most importantly: Honored to know you, mbperrin. The First Amendment is what makes Democracy possible.

[mbperrin]

104. I'm honored to know you as well.

You're right - the First is the first for a reason.

[Lunacee_2013]

103. I wasn't around then but,

I did catch the Free Speech documentry on cointelpro. Holy sh*t! I knew that our government went after some people, but I didn't think they did it like that! It makes me really wonder about what else they could have done and what lies we've been told.

[geek tragedy]

3. Who says they did nothing?

Moreover, it could have been some blowhards on Free Republic or somewhere else engaging in violent fantasies.

Note that these plots never materialized and no assassinations took place.

This is really weak stuff, even for Lindorff.

[atreides1]

5. Who says it's over?

[geek tragedy]

6. Well, Occupy is pretty much over, so probably not a lot of sniper opportunities nt

[Tarheel_Dem]

56. "Well, Occupy is pretty much over, so probably not a lot of sniper opportunities".

[nineteen50]

122. The whole data-mining spying

is to make sure an Occupy movement never happens again and the power-elite remain in power.

[Tarheel_Dem]

129. Oh yeah. That's the reason. Or.....

perhaps you can't hold a decent Fight The Power rally, if 2/3 of the participants are stoned, and can't find the locale.

[nineteen50]

153. and so the Occupy has had

zero affect on political discourse throughout the world?

[Smarmie Doofus]

154. Hmmm... have you ever been to an Occupy event? n/t

[jberryhill]

66. Well, then how do you explain all of those executed activists

The FBI did not stop those executions, geek.

[geek tragedy]

68. You are so authoritarian. nt

[rhett o rick]

105. You got that right. Authoritarians hate Occupy, protesters, investigative journalists,

liberals, whistle-blowers, and now anyone that dares doubt the veracity of the FBI. I forgot, authoritarians hate conspiracy theories because they dare to question the soundness of the authoritarian Masters.

Authoritarians do love their Big Brother Authoritarian Daddies.

Put your fingers in your ears, close your eyes and repeat, "The FBI likes me, The FBI likes me." And the hell with dirty hippies getting beat-up or assassinated.

[geek tragedy]

109. By 'authoritarian' you mean "people who don't accept in blind faith

every rumor they read on the Internet."

Do you ever bother thinking skeptically when someone makes an inflammatory, poorly substantiated claim like this article?

[rhett o rick]

112. It's easy to recognize the authoritarians. They openly hate Occupy, protestors,

all Conspiracy Theories, investigative journalists. They side with the police when Occupy protesters get sprayed. They quickly and without evidence try to shout down any and all criticisms of the police, the FBI, the NSA, and all other Big Brother Big Daddies they hold so dear.

"Do you ever bother thinking skeptically when someone makes an inflammatory, poorly substantiated claim like this article? " Of course I am skeptical. I dont blindly follow any leader.

[cheapdate]

163. The document shows that the FBI was investigating the planners as potential "Domestic Terrorists".

As they should. How this gets twisted into evidence that the FBI is somehow complicit in a plot to murder Occupy protestors is beyond me.

[WovenGems]

178. The Onion

An article taken from the Onion is printed and passed around the office. In an FOIA they release the article and a big deal erupts till the FBI admits they haven't made plans to kill a soul since JFK. Could be true, don't know fer sure.

[arely staircase]

4. uh, it would seem this is evidence of an investigation

of someone making threats, not of "doing nothing."

jeez

[Octafish]

113. Hm. What I got out of it is the FBI is OK with someone planning sniper attacks.

Could be Blackwater. They're killers for hire. And, they're on the approved vendor list, too.

[arely staircase]

114. where do they say they are OK with it?

nt

[zappaman]

118. It's right there! Plain as day!

Wait, maybe you don't have the right hat on?

?1344021593

[arely staircase]

121. lol nt

[Octafish]

119. In the unredacted parts of the document.

[arely staircase]

120. where? i don't see it. and if you meant "redacted" as in where they don't give you people's names

do you think it says "Agent Guy Who is Ok with this"?

The thing reads exactly like it is something they are investigating. There is nothing suspicious about this whatsoever.

I guess I'm just not as creative as you are.

[truedelphi]

150. You apparently need to brush up on reading documents in which

Names of Programs, names of people, etc are redacted.

My take on this document is that An unknown to us readers (on account of the redaction) agent of a redacted name of organization approved of sniper killings of Occupy Movement people.

[arely staircase]

155. and then just decided, oh fuck it what's the point?

or maybe someone called the FBI and said my Tebagger brother is going to do something like that and they investigated and determined it was bullshit. Nah, couldn't possibly be anything like tht.

[cheapdate]

162. The FBI was investigating the planners as potential "Domestic Terrorists".

As they should.

[nineteen50]

124. Supporting the enemy of

your enemy.

[snooper2]

9. I thought you were supposed to keep this shit in the dungeon

I mean, "creative thinking"

[Octafish]

13. Go learn about Dave Lindorff before you crap on a post, snooper2.

The guy's won two Project Censored Awards.

How many have you won, snooper2?

[snooper2]

16. how far are we going back?

Think I got my first 1st place in Judo when I was 12...

Latest one was a extreme excellence award a couple months back here at work, little plaque and $2500


You want everything in between? And why isn't this your gif on your posts?

[Octafish]

18. So, you haven't won anything that matters.

While it's purely subjective, I knew that by reading your posts.

[arely staircase]

21. I think most people have heard of Judo

as opposed to Project Censored.

[Comrade Grumpy]

31. You make quite a point there. I'm not sure it's the one you intended, though.

[arely staircase]

36. so which part is wrong?

are you saying most people haven't heard of judo?

or

most people have heard of Project Censored?

[AnotherMcIntosh]

38. x2

[bvar22]

57. PWNED!!!

Good Job!

[woo me with science]

125. [phone]

[arely staircase]

19. oh well that clears it up

nt

[geek tragedy]

29. Lindorff thinks the CIA was behind the Boston Marathon bombing. he's a nut.

http://thiscantbehappening.net/node/1727

[arely staircase]

32. guy's getting more credible all the time

that is a great name for that site - thiscantbehappening

[ProSense]

33. "he's a nut."

You don't say!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=125&topic_id=324994&mesg_id=325010


Kook central.

[arely staircase]

39. wonder if he won an award for that?

[SidDithers]

42. Better Believe It!!...nt

Sid

[zappaman]

49. I hope you put this reply in your journal! n/t

[SidDithers]

55. *snork*...

Sid

[Octafish]

111. Laugh all you want. You still haven't shown where I'm wrong about the BFEE.

Even once.

http://upload.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2895283

[Tarheel_Dem]

59. Talk about a blast from the past. Classic BBI.

324998,
I think that's how we must now view big city police departments. Just a modern day Gestapo.
Posted by Better Believe It on Tue Nov-22-11 09:35 PM

[Tarheel_Dem]

60. Well, he certainly miscalculated his influence on the reelection of Barack Obama. What a jerk!

[temmer]

73. interesting link - thank you

but the text doesn't deliver what you promised. Where does he say that?

[Octafish]

165. Nothing like misrepresenting what he wrote for a good smear.

The truth is the bombers do have a CIA connection: their Uncle Ruslan married a CIA bigwig Graham Fuller's daughter. Family's in the oil business, natch.

http://nsnbc.me/2013/05/24/the-boston-bombings-and-the-cia-connection-graham-fuller-and-uncle-ruslan-tsarnaev/

[geek tragedy]

44. Project Censored has been a joke for the past decade, as opposed to when it first started

They became the equivalent of Holocaust deniers in playing lapdogs for Slobo Milosevic, for one thing.

[HiPointDem]

143. you guys are so obvious

[SidDithers]

102. Nah, GD is the new dungeon...

anything goes at DU3.

Sid

[Recursion]

12. Well, from what you posted, they investigated and nothing panned out

Using records of an investigation to claim the investigating organization "did nothing" is... well... "creative"...

[Octafish]

15. Right. Lots of stuff in history the FBI failed to investigate.

Like Joseph Adams Milteer.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2341515

[Recursion]

23. Wow. A guy photographed in a place that we know Kennedy wasn't shot from

Fascinating.

[Octafish]

98. No. Joseph Adams Milteer pretty much outlined the 'official version of Dallas' before it happened.

Milteer didn't know he was being taped by an FBI informant.

Now retired-FBI agent Don Adams, who interviewed Milteer, came forward a few years back and reported the FBI intentionally obstructed justice in its investigation of Milteer and in its investigation of the assassination of President Kennedy.

Those with open minds also may want to learn about Secret Service agent Abraham Bolden, the first African American on the White House Secret Service detail who reported overt racism by his fellow agents and outright hostility toward the "n------loving president" and was railroaded after reporting what he saw to the Warren Commission.

Theirs are fascinating stories, don't you think?

[Progressive dog]

14. From FBI response

" As far as the question about the murder plot, I am unable to comment further, but rest assured if the FBI was aware of credible and specific information involving a murder plot, law enforcement would have responded with appropriate action."

So secret nobody has evidence, now that is secret.

"Secret Police. Secret Spying. Secret Laws. Secret Detentions. Secret Executions...Anyone seeing a pattern, here?"

I am, but I don't think it's the same one you are.

[Octafish]

20. Yeah. Like the times the FBI let White Bulger get away with murder? I mean, ''murders?''

Learn more: http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/06/28/us-usa-crime-bulger-idUSBRE95R0DN20130628

[arely staircase]

22. That totally proves the allegation in the OP

[msanthrope]

24. Whitey Bulger is coming after Occupy? nt

[zappaman]

35. Duh.

Whitey Bulger is secretly a member of the BFEE.
This is why he will not go to jail.
These things are enigmas wrapped in riddles and then buried with pustules!

[HiPointDem]

144. what is it that you find so significant about the fbi statement you quote?

[Progressive dog]

152. It amuses me that the same people so worried about privacy

think that the FBI shouldn't keep information private.

[HiPointDem]

170. It amuses me that you think the people's right to privacy applies to the State.

[Progressive dog]

171. You are really confused, the FB I evidence was not about the state

It was evidence on people gathered by the state.

[HiPointDem]

173. i understand that perfectly well. it's you who are confused.

[Progressive dog]

174. LOL

[nashville_brook]

25. occupy was not seen as "legitimate" political speech from the beginning...

it wouldn't surprise me if they had these sorts of secret plans at all.

[Octafish]

51. Here's the FBI memo...

...redacted and all.

FBI is just tip of the iceberg. Remember these guys were saying the Mafia didn't exist until one good New York State Trooper, Edgar D. Croswell, moved to investigate in Appalachin, back in 1957. Before than, the Feds said the mob didn't exist.

[7962]

88. If you wouldve seen the gathering in Atlanta

when John Lewis showed up to speak, you'd probably wouldnt question legitimacy, you'd wonder whether they had lost their minds. Its on youtube somewhere. Lewis ended up having a staffer tell them he had a meeting to go to and he got the heck out of there. It was laughable. You could see how uncomfortable he was with the whole farce. In a nutshell, they couldnt decide whether to let him speak or not.

[GoneFishin]

26. Who do you think they would have pinned this on if they had followed through with it. They sure

as hell wouldn't have come clean.

[arely staircase]

43. assange

nt

[Octafish]

130. Occupy demos were peaceful, so I'd think coming up with something could be a challenge.

For being so conservative, there is a record for creativity at FBI.



Old news to some, big news to the majority who get their news exclusively from ABCNNBCBSFauxNoiseNutworks:

How FBI Entrapment Is Inventing 'Terrorists' - and Letting Bad Guys Off the Hook

By Rick Perlstein
Rolling Stone, May 15, 2012

This past October, at an Occupy encampment in Cleveland, Ohio, "suspicious males with walkie-talkies around their necks" and "scarves or towels around their heads" were heard grumbling at the protesters' unwillingness to act violently. At meetings a few months later, one of them, a 26-year-old with a black Mohawk known as "Cyco," explained to his anarchist colleagues how "you can make plastic explosives with bleach," and the group of five men fantasized about what they might blow up. Cyco suggested a small bridge. One of the others thought they’d have a better chance of not hurting people if they blew up a cargo ship. A third, however, argued for a big bridge – "Gotta slow the traffic that's going to make them money" – and won. He then led them to a connection who sold them C-4 explosives for $450. Then, the night before the May Day Occupy protests, they allegedly put the plan into motion – and just as the would-be terrorists fiddled with the detonator they hoped would blow to smithereens a scenic bridge in Ohio’s Cuyahoga Valley National Park traversed by 13,610 vehicles every day, the FBI swooped in to arrest them.

Right in the nick of time, just like in the movies. The authorities couldn’t have more effectively made the Occupy movement look like a danger to the republic if they had scripted it. Maybe that's because, more or less, they did.

The guy who convinced the plotters to blow up a big bridge, led them to the arms merchant, and drove the team to the bomb site was an FBI informant. The merchant was an FBI agent. The bomb, of course, was a dud. And the arrest was part of a pattern of entrapment by federal law enforcement since September 11, 2001, not of terrorist suspects, but of young men federal agents have had to talk into embracing violence in the first place. One of the Cleveland arrestees, Connor Stevens, complained to his sister of feeling "very pressured" by the guy who turned out to be an informant and was recorded in 2011 rejecting property destruction: "We're in it for the long haul and those kind of tactics just don't cut it," he said. "And it's actually harder to be non-violent than it is to do stuff like that." Though when Cleveland's NEWS Channel 5 broadcast that footage, they headlined it "Accused Bomb Plot Suspect Caught on Camera Talking Violence."

In all these law enforcement schemes the alleged terrorists masterminds end up seeming, when the full story comes out, unable to terrorize their way out of a paper bag without law enforcement tutelage. ("They teach you how to make all this stuff out of simple household items," one of the kids says on a recording quoted in the FBI affidavit about a book he has just discovered, The Anarchist Cookbook. Someone asks him how much it says explosives cost. "I'm not sure," he responds, "I just downloaded it last night.&quot It’s a perfect example of how post-9/11 fear made law enforcement tactics seem acceptable that were previously beyond the pale. Previously, however, the targets have been Muslims; now they’re white kids from Ohio. And maybe you could argue that this is acceptable, if the feds were actually acting out of a good-faith assessment of what threats are imminent and which are not. But that's not what they're doing at all. Instead, they are arrogating to themselves a downright Orwellian power – the power to deploy the might of the State to shape a fundamental narrative about which ideas Americans must be most scared of, and which ones they should not fear much at all, independent of the relative objective dangerousness of the people who hold those ideas.

SNIP...

Not everything is the same since the 1970s, of course. The media has changed: Newsday editorialized in 1972 of the Camden case, "We have come to expect such tactics from totalitarian nations that have no respect for individual rights permitting dissent. They have no place in American and those who advocate them have no place in this government." You don’t see that sort of language much any more. Indeed, Newsday appears not to have covered the arrest and trial of Hemant Lakhami at all. "Such tactics" are just not a very big deal any more.

CONTINUED w/links...

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/blogs/national-affairs/how-fbi-entrapment-is-inventing-terrorists-and-letting-bad-guys-off-the-hook-20120515

Weird how Corporate McPravda never seems to mention that news in their coverage.

[kentauros]

27. The REAL question is,

Would anyone on DU even care either way? I mean, it happened in Texas, after all...

[bvar22]

61. There ARE a lot of solid, loyal Democrats and DUers who choose to LIVE in Texas.

Its EASY being Blue in a Blue State.
All you have to do is follow the crowd.

The Real FIGHT is in the Red States.
Ask Wendy Davis.
THAT is Who Cares!
If you really cared, you would help us
instead of sitting smugly at home ridiculing those who get all dirty fighting the real fight.

[kentauros]

70. I know I probably should have put the sarcasm tag in there,

but I thought, too, that I've been vocal enough against the Texas-haters that people would remember me, a loyal Texan-DUer

[bvar22]

82. Oops.

My bad.
I'm becoming as Sarcasm Challenged as everybody else around here.

Unfortunately, there is nothing unusual about the text.
South Bashing is the only acceptable bigotry at DU,
and has been from the beginning.

[kentauros]

93. No problem.

I figured as much. I know I'm not nearly as well-known as some around here, so I made the mistake of assuming I was better-known

[HiPointDem]

145. what is that about?

[Spitfire of ATJ]

30. This country feels it IS "capitalism" so anything seen as anti-capitalism is a target.

[Octafish]

96. Axis of Evil: 'The Mafia, CIA & George Bush'

A criminologist explains how they work together to advance the financial interests of the connected insiders -- from way BEFORE the Great Bailout of '08:

Organized Crime, The CIA and the Savings and Loan Scandal

by Gary W. Potter, Eastern Kentucky University

The savings and loan scandal of the 1980s has been depicted in a myriad of ways. To some, it is "the greatest ... scandal in American history" (Thomas, 1991: 30). To others it is the single greatest case of fraud in the history of crime (Seattle Times, June 11, 1991). Some analysts see it as the natural result of the ethos of greed promulgated by the Reagan administration (Simon and Eitzen, 1993: 50). And to some it was a premeditated conspiracy to move covert funds out of the country for use by the U.S. Intelligence Agency (Bainerman, 1992: 275). All of these depictions of the S & L scandal contain elements of truth. But to a large degree, the savings and loan scandal was simply business as usual. What was unusual about it was not that it happened, or who was involved, but that it was so blatant and coarse a criminal act that exposure became inevitable. But with its exposure, three basic but usually ignored "truths" about organized crime were once again demonstrated with startlingly clarity:

There is precious little difference between those people who society designates as respectable and law abiding and those people society castigates as hoodlums and thugs.

SNIP...

Indian Springs Bank: Another bank with clear connections to the CIA was the Indian Springs Bank of Kansas City, Kansas (Bainerman, 1992: 279-280; Brewton, 1993: 197-200). The fourth largest stockholder in Indian Springs was Iranian expatriate Farhad Azima, who was also the owner of an air charter company called Global International Air. The Indian Springs bank had made several unsecured loans to Global International Air, totaling $600,000 in violation of the bank's $349,00 borrower limit. In 1983 Global International filed for bankruptcy, and Indian Springs followed suit in 1984. The president of Indiana Springs was killed in 1983 in a car fire that started in the vehicle's back seat and was regarded by law enforcement officials as of suspicious origins.

Global International Air was part of Oliver North's logistical network which shipped arms for the U.S. government on several occasions, including a shipment of 23 tons of TOW missiles to Iran by Race Aviation, another company owned by Azima. Pete Brewton, in his investigation of the Indian Springs bank collapse was told that FBI had not followed up on Indian Springs because the CIA informed them that Azima was "off limits" (Houston Post, February 8, 1990). Similarly the assistant U.S. Attorney handling the Indian Springs investigation was told to "back off from a key figure in the collapse because he had ties to the CIA."

Azima did indeed have ties to the CIA. His relationship with the agency goes back to the late 1970s when he supplied air and logistical support to EATSCO (Egyptian American Transport and Services Corporation), a company owned by former CIA agents Thomas Clines, Theodore Shackley, and Richard Secord. EATSCO was prominently involved in the activities of former CIA agent Edwin Wilson, who shipped arms illegally to Libya. Azima was also closely tied to the Republican party. He had contributed $81,000 to the Reagan campaign.

Global International also had other unsavory connections. In 1981, Global International made a payment to organized crime figure Anthony Russo, a convicted felon with a record that included conspiracy, bribery, and prostitution charges. Russo was the lawyer of Kansas City organized crime figures, an employee of Indian Springs, and a member of the board of Global International. Russo later explained that the money had been used to escort Liberian dictator Samuel Doe on a "goodwill trip" to the U.S.

CONTINUED...

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/CIA/S%26L_Scandal_CIA.html

Now there are some brave writers.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

108. The Washington Times used to be an actual newspaper once upon a time....

http://www.voxfux.com/features/bush_child_sex_coverup/WashingtonTimes.htm

....and, ya know what?

It wasn't considered to be "brave" to expose these bastards.

[HiPointDem]

146. not really. it was founded by the rev. moon in 1982 & has always been a moonie outlet.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

148. By that, I mean Republicans weren't sacrosanct.

[zappaman]

34. Kick!

An entertaining thread made more so by the complete batshit allegations by a nut who believes the CIA was behind the Boston bombings!

[arely staircase]

45. I actually rec'd it

this the best thread of the day.

[geek tragedy]

46. And who demanded that Obama invade Manhattan or lose decisively in 2012. nt

[zappaman]

47. Is this a trick question?

The same group that tried to kill Twinkies...

THE BFEE!!!!!!

[Mc Mike]

37. Thanks, Oct. +1 rec, as usual. NT.

[Octafish]

137. FBI Aids Terrorist Death Ray Plot to Foil Terrorist Death Ray Plot

The things one can learn on the Internet...

FBI Aids Terrorist Death Ray Plot to Foil Terrorist Death Ray Plot

Why are undercover FBI agents always actively setting up terrorist plots and foiling them?

Aaron Dykes and Melissa Melton
Activist Post

Well, it appears they may be running out of new ideas. The most recent to come out in the mainstream media actually involved a death ray.

That’s right — a death ray.

The Atlantic Wire reports:

First, the plan allegedly crafted by [Glendon] Crawford and alleged co-conspirator Eric J. Feight was ridiculous — the death ray wouldn’t work. The plan involved mounting a remote-control operated X-ray laser on top of a truck to kill people without them noticing. 

Second, the death ray was inoperable. Crawford and Feight never got a real radiation source. 

Third, the death ray was built with the help of the FBI. The undercover FBI agents or informants gave Crawford the tools to build his death ray — X-ray tubes — and technical specs on how to use it. (The specs were altered to change their output capacity.) Crawford had some engineering experience, and was trying to figure out how to make them more powerful. An FBI informant also financed the plot, giving Feight $1,000 to build the remote control device. Undercover agents told Feight they’d get him access to an X-ray assembly facility…

CONTINUED w/links...

http://www.activistpost.com/2013/06/fbi-aids-terrorist-death-ray-plot-to.html?m=1

PS: Thank you, Mc Mike. Great to read ya! Thanks for grokking.

[Mc Mike]

160. Joseph Conrad's book 'The Secret Agent'

showed the pattern of reactionary power using agent provocateurs to stage 'left' attacks, over a hundred years ago. Anarchist groups warned their rank and file that Czolgosz (from the McKinley assassination), and Berkman (from the Frick assassination 'attempt'), were agent provocateurs, before those men staged their attacks.

These people are always 'making enemies'. They use our tax dollars to put people like Noriega, Osama, Hussein, Mobutu into power. Then when these bad guys outlive their usefullness, they call them 'enemies', and use our tax dollars to attack and get rid of them. The reactionary chicken hawks don't care about how many of our troops get killed or maimed in the process. The populations that had to live under the US backed strongmen, for decades, know who put them in, and feel very unfriendly toward our country. The collateral damage caused while taking the bad guys out doesn't make those populations feel any friendlier. Making enemies.

The same reactionary power operates domestically, continually motivating and logistacally 'supporting' these high profile 'attempted terror attacks' that their security apparatus 'thwarts', so the feds are fabricating or making 'enemies'. We foot the bill. Then in their paranoid reactionary minds they imagine that any average citizen who uses constitutional rights to oppose their misuse of our gov's apparatus is a potential enemy, making enemies (in their paranoid minds) of non-violent dissenting citizens.

"...The original job of the FBI was to prevent interstate crime, the foremost practitioners of which are the Mafia. But in the years of Hoover the Mafia grew into a crime cartel and an FBI arrest of a Mafia member was rare except on the FBI radio programs and, later, television shows. Hoover himself kept announcing that he did not believe there was any such thing as the Mafia... he regarded Communist literature on 14th Street in New York as far more dangerous than narcotics on 108th Street. So many FBI agents penetrated the Communist Party that meeting halls became referred to as 'the squad room'."

--Jimmy Breslin, "The Gang That Couldn't Shoot Straight", page 16

[DeSwiss]

40. K&R

Thanks Octafish.

[Octafish]

159. Lindorff wrote cops and banksters plotted before OWS started...

FBI Ignored Deadly Threat to Occupiers: US Intelligence Machine Instead Plotted with Bankers to Attack Protest Movement

Thu, 12/27/2012 - 21:55
by:  Dave Lindorff

New documents obtained from the FBI and the Department of Homeland Security by the Partnership for Civil Justice and released this past week show that the FBI and other intelligence and law enforcement agencies began a campaign of monitoring, spying and disrupting the Occupy Movement at least two months before the first occupation actions began in late September 2011.

As early as August, while acknowledging that the incipient Occupy Movement was “peaceful” in nature, federal, state and local officials from the FBI, the DHS and the many Fusion Centers and Joint Terrorism Task Force centers around the country were meeting with local financial institutions and their private security organizations to plot out a strategy for countering the Occupy Movement’s campaign.

Interestingly, one document obtained by PCJ from the Houston FBI office refers to what appears to have been a plan by some group, the name of which is blacked out in the released document, to determine who the leaders were of the Occupy Movement in Houston, and then to assassinate them with “suppressed” sniper rifles, meaning sniper rifles equipped with silencers.

The chilling document in question reads as follows:
 

“One identified BLANK as of October planned to engage in sniper attacks against protesters in Houston, Texas if deemed necessary. An identified BLANK had received intelligence that indicated the protesters in New York and Seattle planned similar protests in Houston, Dallas, San Antonio and Austin, Texas. BLANK planned to gather intelligence against the leaders of the protest group and obtain photographs, then formulate a plan to kill the leadership by suppressed sniper rifles.”

CONTINUED...

http://www.thiscantbehappening.net/node/1494

PS: Thank you, DeSwiss! It's like we've awoken to discover The Twilight Zone is real.

[zeemike]

48. And I am sure you knew

That the usual suspects would show up to defend the police state...

"It is not enough that you obey Big Brother, you must love him"

[geek tragedy]

58. No, we're pointing out that the claim is false--the documents don't show

that nothing was done about a plot to kill Occupy activists.

[SidDithers]

65. And the usual suspects show up to credulously believe whatever is posted...nt

Sid

[zeemike]

71. Yes we do.

And it spoils the attempt to intimidate people into silence.

[SidDithers]

77. Glad to see there's no skepticism, at all, about the spew from Dave Lindorff...

Nice job.

Sid

[geek tragedy]

80. So, it's wrong to believe what the government says but you believe everything

you read on the Internet.

Explains a lot.

[zeemike]

87. Well it would be wrong to believe everything you say

Cause you are on the internet....a lot.

I trust my instincts and red flags go off in my head when I see intimidation of thinking about things contrary to the official story.

[geek tragedy]

92. The document says the FBI investigated the report, which means it can't say that they did nothing

Basic logic.

[Octafish]

167. Lil Sis is useful for keeping Big Brother's boot off our happy mugs...

http://littlesis.org/

A regular Who's Who for the Big Fish.

The small fry don't have a clue.

[zeemike]

168. Ha!

Now if we could just spy on them like they do on us...
Thanks for that link

[pa28]

50. Not surprising considering a Republican Bush appointee was running the FBI.

Oy vey.

[woo me with science]

52. K&R This is how dangerous to the people this nation has become under corporate rule.

We the People are in deep, deep shit in this country.

[Gore1FL]

53. I am not convinced.

two pages (redacted, no less) concerning an assassination that didn't happen brings me to "WTF?" long before it brings me to outrage.

There is simply not enough data to make a meaningful judgement on this. It does seem an attempt to get people to go into "chicken little" mode.

[99th_Monkey]

54. That was part of the genius of Occupy

no leaders?

It drives the rich & powerful crazy to suggest such a thing.

How are they going to co-opt and undermine a movement
without leaders. It's "just not fighting fair" in their book.

[randome]

64. So it was a gestalt mind trick or something, huh.

Face it, Occupy had no leaders because no one wanted to step up to the plate. More's the pity. So much could have been accomplished.

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[99th_Monkey]

69. You have it exactly wrong, as usual

Every last Occupy peep "stepped up to the plate", in their attempt to
pointedly call attention to, and resist, the corruption and scamming of
the public by Wall St. crooks. .. and many got their heads beat in,
jailed, etc. for their trouble.

Where were you? Were you there? .. stepping up to the plate?

[randome]

72. No, I was not. And I don't need to explain why.

But if you think taking over public parks and demanding that the world behave better is a good use of coordination and strategy, well...what more need be said?

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[99th_Monkey]

74. Occupy was/is what it was/is.

Exactly where in the public square to you suggest that pissed off citizens
congregate en mass to make sure their voices are heard?

Maybe one of the Shrub's "Fee Speech Zones" with barbed wire around it?

[randome]

84. I always advocated for marches on Washington because that's where the loopholes are created.

But OWSers want to point out that it's Wall Street that pulls the strings. That's fine, I can see that but how do you shame a corporation into behaving better?

By shouting loudly? I don't see value in that.

I hardly call it Wall Street robbery when Congress basically opens the doors and says, "Here. Take what you want."

Congress is a willing puppet. We need to change their wills, give them something to be more afraid of.

IMO.

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[tex-wyo-dem]

141. Where i agree with you that Congress is at the heart of the problem...

Marching on Washington would have accomplished little more than two paragraph blurb in the back pages of the Post and little else. Marches and demonstrations happen in Washington constantly, so, IMO, it dilutes their effectiveness (unless, of course you are talking about a tea party or Glen Beck event, then you got your faux news sponsorship 24-7).

What occupy did was to take their message everywhere, to public places everywhere from LA, NY and London to Dallas, SLC and Casper Wyo. THAT'S Why it got the attention it did, because it was a worldwide movement, and no matter how poor you were you could participate because it was in your back yard rather than having to try to scrape together enough funds to travel to DC for some ineffective one day event.

Although I believe it was unplanned, the fact that occupy was leaderless was pure genius. It prevented the moment from being cut off at the knees early...the PTB had no single or set of leaders to go after...the moment was totally organic. the fact that occupy didn't hitch their Wagon to any political party was part of the genius, because it gave little ammunition to RW decenters who wanted to pin it as an Obama construct.

The movement wained due to the obvious brutality they encountered from local, state and federal authorities who, I suspect, we're acting on orders from the corporate elite...which is where the OP comes in.

[HardTimes99]

62. As one who participated in Occupy, I must say that I do not believe you deserve

the scorn and derision which is being heaped upon you by a certain cadre. They seem entirely ignorant of the seamier sides of American history, like COINTELPRO and Operation Gemstone (to name only a couple) and blithely certain that such could NEVER, EVER happen again.

That said, leadership at Occupy was widely diffused and decentralized - both a curse and a blessing, A curse because it made it very diffcult to accomplish even the simplest tasks sometimes, but a blessing in that it gave those in the power structure who felt threatened by Occupy few identifiable targets upon which to loose their homicidial instincts.

I do want to point out that when Villain-raigosa sent in his 1500+ goons to smash the camp of Occupy Los Angeles on November 30, 2011, some 5-6 'campers' were subsequently observed leaving the camp and entering Los Angeles Police Department lines, whereupon they were greeted with whoops and backslaps. So there's little doubt in my mind that security services had infiltrated various Occupy demonstrations. Whether that infiltration ever rose to the level of COINTELPRO skulduggery remains to be seen and may never be known.

[zeemike]

67. Ignorant or they approve of it.

There are people who hate decent from the establishment so much that nothing is to immoral for them to support.

[arely staircase]

101. approve what? the FBI investigating threats

like they apparently did in this case? yeah I approve. Threats should be investigated.

[Fire Walk With Me]

135. I've been part of OccupyLA including breaking the curfew the city set...this is the first time

I've heard about confirmed undercover cops at the encampment, greeting other officers when the attack came. Do you have any further information? Most especially pictures or video? Of course they were there, but I'd love to see who(m).

[whatchamacallit]

63. Some DUers would have cheered had it happened

The democratic party is becoming a cesspool.

[Earth_First]

81. DU'ers? ABSOLUTELY! nt

[Earth_First]

86. self-deletes to reflect a lack of self-control...

You are correct, I certainly went over the top on that assessment...

[geek tragedy]

90. will self-delete out of reciprocity and respect nt

[Fire Walk With Me]

76. The push-back came in the form of domestic terrorism by the government against the citizens.

Section 802 of the USA PATRIOT Act (Pub. L. No. 107-52) expanded the definition of terrorism to cover ""domestic,"" as opposed to international, terrorism. A person engages in domestic terrorism if they do an act ""dangerous to human life"" that is a violation of the criminal laws of a state or the United States, if the act appears to be intended to: (i) intimidate or coerce a civilian population; (ii) influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination or kidnapping. Additionally, the acts have to occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States and if they do not, may be regarded as international terrorism.

http://www.aclu.org/national-security/how-usa-patriot-act-redefines-domestic-terrorism

The FBI Divides Terrorist-Related Activities into Two Categories:

A terrorist incident is a violent act or an act dangerous to human life, in violation of the criminal laws of the United States, or of any state, to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives.

http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/terrorism-2002-2005

And this is also why Occupy never had leaders.

With a government like this, who needs enemies

[WillyT]

78. K & R !!!

[DevonRex]

85. Is there nothing too crazy to post here anymore?

As evidence that the FBI ignored a threat, the article uses evidence that the FBI investigated the threat.

Shouldn't at least one or two weak little light bulbs trrryyy to go on over some heads?? Anyone? Really. Any body. Anyone at all.

[randome]

89. Circuits aren't all firing, are they?

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[Waiting For Everyman]

94. K&R

[Scurrilous]

95. K & R

For the hilarity.

[HiPointDem]

147. exactly why i'm kicking your post

[Octafish]

164. Amazing, FBI refers to sniper attacks on law-abiding US citizens and some DUers laugh.

While there's no accounting for taste, morality is another matter.

Thank you for grokking the situation, HiPointDem.

[quakerboy]

99. Yes, I would be shocked

Because the way it is phrased indicates that the FBI was not integrally involved in those plans, and that would very much surprise me.

[bobthedrummer]

100. As a citizen seeking justice for deprivation of rights under color of law that has gone to the IG

of the DoJ, the OPR of the DEA, federal level elected officials and the entire system in a capital offense with a history of 44 years-no Sir, I'm not surprised. The powers that (currently) be continue to shield an evil old domestic network and operatives-hidden behind "national security".

Drip, drip, drip...

K&R.

[Rebellious Republican]

106. Wasn't the former head of the FBI an extortionist, J Edgar Hoover i believe was his name....

Late in life and after his death Hoover became a controversial figure, as evidence of his secretive actions became known. His critics have accused him of exceeding the jurisdiction of the FBI.[1] He used the FBI to harass political dissenters and activists, to amass secret files on political leaders,[2] and to collect evidence using illegal methods.[3] Hoover consequently amassed a great deal of power and was in a position to intimidate and threaten sitting Presidents.[4] According to President Harry S Truman, Hoover transformed the FBI into his private secret police force; Truman stated that "we want no Gestapo or secret police. FBI is tending in that direction. They are dabbling in sex-life scandals and plain blackmail. J. Edgar Hoover would give his right eye to take over, and all congressmen and senators are afraid of him"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Edgar_Hoover

Most jurisdictions have statutes governing extortion that broaden the common-law definition. Under such statutes, any person who takes money or property from another by means of illegal compulsion may be guilty of the offense. When used in this sense, extortion is synonymous with blackmail, which is extortion by a private person. In addition, under some statutes a corporation may be liable for extortion
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/extortion

So what in the FBI's past would lead us to believe that conspiracy theory is true.

[DirkGently]

107. I remember hearing about this. Sooo, all this secret "security?"

It's not for protecting *us.*

It's critical to keep in mind when deciding to give secret government spying & law enforcement activities the benefit of the doubt that, time and time and time again, we come to find out the most-focused-on threats are not scary terrorists or evil foreigners, but DISSENT, and specifically, progressive or populist activism.

[blkmusclmachine]

110. !

[Cali_Democrat]

115. I smell bullshit

need a better source.

until then, shit like this belongs in the dungeon.

[Octafish]

116. You do, huh? You forget the unarmed man under interrogation, shot dead in FBI custody?

Then, again, it's been, what, a whole month, now?

http://www.thenation.com/blog/174588/yet-another-media-version-fbi-agent-shooting-unarmed-friend-boston-bomber

[Fire Walk With Me]

138. The FBI found some fringers in Occupy Cleveland, got them drunk and offered them explosives

creating a "terrorist threat" where before there was none, and would not have been. There has been at least one conviction so far and more are in trouble. Thanks to the terror-creating FBI. They were also ransacking the apartments of some PNW Occupiers on suspicion of "literature". Political prisoners were taken from Occupy at the No NATO protests, some of them only having been recently released.

Note a pattern? It's a "we're here to fuck you up" if you keep doing that thing you do. However, not a single bankster who nearly trashed the economy in 2008 has been arrested or charged; they continue to receive billions of taxpayer dollars under Obama while 7400+ Occupiers have been arrested, many brutalized, two peaceful Veterans brought to the edge of death through assaults and abuse by Oakland PD. Media lies about us, flat out. The FBI and DHS flat-out lied that they had not been spying upon Occupy from day one, when they had, and they shared information on Occupiers with other "intelligence" agencies (redacted under FOIA) as well as handing that information over to some of the banks and corporations we target as Part Of The Problem. The US government spied on Occupy, a peaceful 1st Amendment movement, and shared information about us with corporations and banks.

And most importantly, engaged in over a year of domestic terrorism against us. How then could the OP sound even remotely implausible?


For reference, definitions of domestic terrorism:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3120688

Please note the police were caught training officers to treat environmental activists who are against the KeystoneXL pipeline as terrorists. Seriously; I posted the story in GD. Note the trend?

[Cali_Democrat]

140. I actually believe what you posted.

But I don't believe this OP.

I don't think the FBI would have allowed executions to take place and do nothing about it. You know, this OP could be totally true and I could be wrong, but I would like to see it coming from a better source or someone within the FBI itself.

[Fire Walk With Me]

142. Everything I've posted is searchable; much of it on DU. Including an earlier posting of the OP

back when it was discovered amongst the FOIA documents. It is of special interest now as we consider, as a nation, what is really going on inside the government which is supposed to serve and protect us.

I am one of many, many Occupiers who was physically assaulted by a cop during a peaceful march. I've seen fellow Occupiers singled out and snatched, given as many felonies as they could come up with (California was or still is a 3-strikes state), and cops happily appearing in court, attempting to back up their bullshit against peaceful protesters. One prosecutor engaged in witness intimidation in the court as I waited outside as a potential witness. Luckily that judge was having none of it. It's endless bullshit by the cities and the state, against peaceful citizens. I have zero zero zero trouble believing that the FBI found, and ignored, a genuine threat against us. Take a look through DU's recent archives for such documents attained through the FOIA; clear evidence exists that the FBI and DHS were present at much or most Occupy actions and encampments, and were likely directly involved in the attacks against us.

Here is that singled-out Occupier being snatched and given multiple felonies, two days after having been snatched and given multiple felonies. Please note that he is looking entirely the other direction. If we hadn't caught it on video, it would have been his word against the cop's. FUCK THAT.

BTW, the DJ mentioned in the video as having been arrested at the No NATO protest is who I speaking of earlier. NLG observers related in court that they'd seen the incident and it was as DJ said; the cop was flat-out lying. They kept him in custody for a year and have just released him.

Fuck the system. With a government like this, who needs enemies?

[awoke_in_2003]

117. Nothing that happens in this country...

surprise me anymore.

[cantbeserious]

123. Another Nefarious Executive Branch Organization In The Obama Administration Up To No Good

eom

[George II]

127. "What did the FBI do about it?" Based on the number of "executions"......

....the FBI was highly effective in preventing them. Duh!

[tiny elvis]

128. what if the big censored part tells what the fbi did to stop the plot?

the only interesting info i see is that
someone wanted to kill protesters for disrupting commerce

[Fire Walk With Me]

136. I'd imagine they could have kept that unredacted excepting names and places. So why didn't they. n/t

[Hotler]

166. "disrupting commerce" that is the key to how we.....

fight back without getting our heads busted or thrown in jail. We fight with our spending dollars what little some of us still have. Just think if a million or more people got rid of their cable, dish or direct tv packages the loss of revenue would start to hurt those corporations. Just think if millions of people ditch their cell phones the verizons and the AT&T's would take a hit. They have bills to pay just like the rest of us. It is simple. Stop spending money. Buy only what you need to get by. Boycott fast food, Don't go to movies. If we could just get folks to stop going to NASCAR races, football games, baseball games etc. We are survivors already and we can shut this economy down to where it hurts more of the 1%ers than it will us little people. Move your money to a credit union. Shop for clothes at the Goodwill and second hand stores. They can't force us to spend our money. If we pulled back spending now till the end of the year we could make a dent.

[cherokeeprogressive]

131. Only a pattern that's a couple hundred years old. Government protecting Government for Government's

sake.

Careful, they'll call us paranoid.

[Eleanors38]

134. I recall a celebrated remark made by an operative in COINTELPRO,

to the effect: protesters and radicals are "paranoid" of what we (government agents) are doing against them, so we should play on that paranoia.

Boy, the government did.

[truedelphi]

172. Curent day events make me long for a return to

Cointelpro!

[Norrin Radd]

132. kr

[Dash87]

133. I'm somewhat skeptical. How do we know this wasn't

some stupid meth head and his friend drawing up a right wing gun nut fantasy and then posting it on the internet to impress the other right wing losers in the far right blogosphere?

Could it be that this wasn't taken seriously because it was a joke to begin with?

[TransitJohn]

149. n/t

n/t

[ck4829]

151. Alright, let's try to find out who they are. And we know some things already.

The first and second block of redacted text are the same size, probably referring to the same organization.

And the cities mentioned are:
Houston, Texas
Dallas, Texas
San Antonio, Texas
And Austin, Texas

[Octafish]

175. What mercenary corporation is headquartered in Texas?

Blogging attorney Advance Indiana approached the question, using Lindorff's article:

EXCERPT...

Lindorff's report indicated that Houston police claim they were never warned by the local FBI office of the assassination plot. Lindorff notes that law enforcement agencies in Texas have received sniper training from Craft International, the shadowy mercenary-for-hire organization that is based in Dallas, Texas. Craft was founded by the celebrated Army sniper Chris Kyle, who was shot and killed at a firing range last year by a fellow Army veteran. Craft has a contract funded by the Department of Homeland Security to provide training to law enforcement throughout the country. Last year, a state border patrol agent in Texas trained by Craft fired from a helicopter at a moving truck carrying nine illegal immigrants, causing the vehicle to crash, killing two and wounding a third.

Craft International employees were spotted working at the Boston Marathon during the bombing the government claims killed three persons and wounded more than one hundred others. Lindorff was unable to obtain a comment from the company on their work training Texas law enforcement agencies.

One of the Occupy Movement leaders, Remington Alessi, who may have been one of the targets of the assassination plot, told Lindorff that he was not surprised to learn of the plot. "I wish I could say I’m surprised that this was seriously discussed, but remember, this is the same federal government that murdered (Black Panther Party leader) Fred Hampton," Alessi said. "We have a government that traditionally murders people who are threats. I guess being a target is sort of an honor." Paul Kennedy, a Houston area attorney who represented several of the Occupy Movement protesters arrested during the protests, had not heard of the plot. “If it had been some right-wing group plotting such an action, something would have been done," Kennedy said. "But if it is something law enforcement was planning, then nothing would have been done. It might seem hard to believe that a law enforcement agency would do such a thing, but I wouldn’t put it past them."

CONTINUED...

http://advanceindiana.blogspot.com/2013/06/fbi-uncovered-plot-to-assassinate.html?m=1

Outstanding suggestion, ck4829. Fight with inntelligence.

[truth2power]

156. Octafish - Thanks for posting the Dave Lindorff article. The deniers and minimizers

are out in force, aren't they?

Ya' know, I was watching a Democracy Now interview with Jeremy Scahill yesterday evening. It wasn't real recent. I think the date was the end of April, just after his book, "Dirty Wars" came out.

Anyway, he said something that seems applicable here: "Your principles are tested by where you stand when they're doing things, or implementing policies that you would have opposed if the other guy had won."

[arely staircase]

157. I know how can anybody doubt

that the FBI planned a sniper attack in Houston, put it all down on paper so they wouldn't forget, then just said oh fuck it let's don't and then released the memo about it to the public? Only a fool wouldn't believe all that.

[Harmony Blue]

158. The source is the FBI

and yet there are those in denial about this...

[lonestarnot]

161. Nearly too big to fight.

[Octafish]

177. Like when Rome outlawed the word 'Peace.'

The Senate did not want it uttered when Hannibal was at the point of defeating the Republic.

The History Channel didn't say it, but the message is clear: Censorship may've worked as the people did not quit. Hannibal packed up and went home to Carthage.

In our time, we are up against something more powerful and wealthier than anything Rome or the world has ever known, the War Party, the ultra-wealthy ruling elite who know "money trumps peace" and Justice is for "just-us."

They've rigged the game in their favor, with elections decided by dollars. They've brainwashed the public into believing they have a voice in power. And they get away with mass murder and treason.

Thanks for listening. Thanks for standing up to them. It's really great to read you, Lonestarnot.

[lonestarnot]

180. What was Travon Martin's description of George Zimmerman? Creepy Cracker.

ALEC is a fucking creepy creep'n cracker. I love your posts at DU most of all. You understand OZ.

[Octafish]

182. Gracias, hermana.

Coming from you, that means the world.

What things pass for news and information these days are getting sadder and sadder. Here's something that validates a lot of what we've discovered on DU over the last decade:

JFK’S WAR AGAINST THE NATIONAL SECURITY ESTABLISHMENT: WHY KENNEDY WAS ASSASSINATED, PART 1

http://fff.org/explore-freedom/article/jfks-war-against-the-national-security-establishment/

It's not happy news. However, it is vital history.

More: It's the knowledge -- the knowledge that our side is in the right. And that means we will win.

[orpupilofnature57]

176. It seems like all the thing they get a heads up on are the

things that happen, we need to bug their phones .

[marmar]

179. k/r

[Ash_F]

181. The FBI was concerned about the murder plotters privacy

"The FOIA documents that you reference are redacted in several places pursuant to FOIA and privacy laws that govern the release of such information so therefore I am unable to help fill in the blanks that you are seeking."

Irony overload!