I have another question for the Zimmerman defenders

[DemocratSinceBirth]

First, let me lay a foundation or factual predicate.

The fight occurred within feet of the condominium unit where Trayvon Martin was staying with his father and father's girlfriend.

Why would Trayvon, as Zimmerman's attorneys suggest, try to beat a man to death so close to home?

Did they expect him to go home, immediately after, and say "Hey, dad, I just killed this white guy"

[loli phabay]

1. not sure what you are saying here, but people kill people close to home all the time

[DemocratSinceBirth]

2. In domestic disputes or when the perpetrator and victim know one another.

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[loli phabay]

3. not always, there have been homicides of strangers on the doorstep before

I get what you are saying but its not a line of enquiry i would use.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

4. If I'm some thug accustomed to beating people to death with my fists

It doesn't make a lot of sense to choose fists as weaponry in the first place, but I'm not going to do it where I can be easily apprehended.

[loli phabay]

6. thats you, problem is there are people who quite happily will beat someone on their own stoop

Putting your limits on another does not mean it can never happen.

[Hoyt]

9. And there are gun nuts who will shoot unarmed kids too.

[loli phabay]

13. not sure what that has to do with people who beat people to death on their own doorstep

[Kingofalldems]

20. Ah, the old 'not sure' condescension thing.

[loli phabay]

22. not somuch condescension as legitimately asking what it had to do with subthread.

[pipi_k]

10. Yes, they do, and...

most recently, there's Aaron Hernandez, accused of murder, who, if the charge is true, stupidly left the body of the man he killed...and the SUV rented in his name...less than a mile from his home.

Last year in a little town near my home, a guy murdered the mother of his children and hid her body in a cardboard box right in their own backyard.

People murder people in all sorts of places...including in their own homes.

[Lurks Often]

5. Define "within feet"

Based on the map presented in court and where the fight took place and where Martin's father lived, 2nd unit from the end, the ruler function on Google Maps shows the fight took place approximately 50 feet from the T where the 2 pedestrian footpaths meet. Using that as a basis, Martin was approximately 350 feet from the back of his father's condo.

See also: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2012/04/02/us/the-events-leading-to-the-shooting-of-trayvon-martin.html

[SQUEE]

7. define "within feet".

Because all the graphics and maps I have seen put him at last 2 buildings away in the "back yard" are between buildings putting him a significantly further distance than within feet.

And I hold that Zimmerman should have stayed in his car, he had a terrible mind set for a concealed carrier and had atrocious situational awareness.

[B2G]

8. If he was that close to home

why didn't he just go inside? Jeantel testified that she wasn't worried because Trayvon told her he was in his dad's backyard. If that's true, how did he end up 2 units away?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

11. He's under no obligation to go inside his home after dark.

This wasn't the apartheid south or South Africa.

[B2G]

12. Really? It's not?

Sheesh.

It's a question the jury will grapple with. Like it or not.

[loli phabay]

14. question will be why if your home did you go back out looking

He had every right to go back out, but it raises questions that i would ask if it was my case.

[brush]

16. I've been following this case since the murder

I've never heard before that TM said that he was already home.

This doesn't sound factual.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

17. There's no evidence of that occurring

I have also seen it suggested that Trayvon was running after him. I have also seen no evidence of that.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

15. I'm under no illusion what the jury will or won't do.

Don't worry...Zimmy will walk...

Driving while black has been replaced by walking while black.

[brush]

18. Are you sure about that?

I've been following this case since the murder and I've never heard before that TM said that he was already home.

That doesn't sound factual.

All the reports I've ready over the months and during this trial have said he was on the phone with his friend "walking towards his house."

[naaman fletcher]

19. Jenteal said that

I was watching it. I was surprised when she said it because I would have thought that would have been a big point for the defense that everyone would be talking about.

[B2G]

21. Thanks. I heard it too.

I can't find testimony transcripts anywhere though. I would imagine it will come up in the defense's presentation if I actually heard it correctly. It was difficult to understand what she was saying at times.

[JVS]

25. I noticed that too. And I noticed that the cross challenged her on it and...

she dug in and said that his suggestion that that wasn't true was "real retarded"
I'm beginning to suspect that the O'Mara challanged her on that to draw attention to that part of the testimony.

[brush]

26. Are you sure you didn't misunderstand her?

Like I said, I been following since the murder and it's never been reported that TM reached his home.

[naaman fletcher]

27. Perhaps

I am looking for the clip now but so far can't find it

[TorchTheWitch]

23. if you're menaced by a stranger do you want them to know

where you live? I sure as shit wouldn't. Then they'd know where to find me.

I had some creep follow me from the bar I was working at several years ago. I had no idea he was following me, and thank God I stopped at the 7-11 before I went all the way home or the creep would have found out where I lived.

I also don't recall at any time that Rachel said that Trayvon told her that he was in his dad's backyard, and I just listened to her whole testimony. I believe what she said that he said was that he was "almost home" or "nearly home" or something to that effect. "Almost home" or "nearly home" can be several houses away or several streets away depending on what the speaker determines it to mean. She may have believed that what Trayvon meant was that he was as close as his dad's backyard or in his dad's backyard, but her testimony indicated he said something like "almost home" or "nearly home" not that he was in his dad's backyard.

[polly7]

24. That's exactly what I was thinking too. nt.

[Tippy]

28. I said this in another thread ..."Zimmerman is the product of the NRA."