Why did Zimmerman Refuse to go to the Hospital after the Shooting ?

[JI7]

he was asked multiple times and he turned it down each time.

but isn't his reason for shooting Trayvon that Trayvon was beating him so bad that he could die ? that he was slamming his head on the concrete ?

if it was that bad why did he not go to the hospital then ?

for me this is more evidence that he was not in fear of being killed.

and this is the same day where we have that video of him looking just fine. he is able to walk around and get out of the car easily even with his hands handcuffed.

[uppityperson]

1. That is, indeed, a very good question.

[Azathoth]

2. You are implying that a person actually has to sustain a grievous or fatal injury

before you will accept that they were afraid of sustaining a grievous or fatal injury. That kind of defeats the "defense" part of self-defense.

[uppityperson]

4. I think the implication is there is a huge difference between "oh shit! I'm gonna die!" and "oh,

never mind, only a scratch"

[Azathoth]

6. The "oh never mind" doesn't occur while someone is straddling you

raining down punches on your head.

[Coccydynia]

26. Except the testimony provided under oath

and in open court is that Zimmerman was on top, straddling a minor. He may even have been attempting to molest him.

[shadowrider]

33. What trial are you watching? All the state eyewitnesses put the man in a dark shirt (Trayvon)

straddling over a man in a red shirt (Zimmerman).

[Coccydynia]

34. I think you are color blind, or perhaps

don't understand translates Spanish. But the man in red is Zimmerman.

[DrDan]

41. there is conflicting testimony as to who was on top

Good, on Friday, testified it was TM on top. He was actually the closest to the incident - 15-20 feet.

There were 2 other witnesses that testified Z was on top.

So . . . . conflicting evidence.

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/USA-Update/2013/0628/Who-was-on-top-in-Zimmerman-Martin-tussle-Witness-testimony-in-conflict

[Coccydynia]

43. As is always the case.

I suppose it goes to the question of credibility. And the most interesting aspect of his testimony was his mention of the person on top using MMA style moves. What is interesting about this is that Zimmerman's doctor's medical notes state that ZIMMERMAN had been intensively practicing MMA maneuvers.

So Good's own observations of the behavior of the person on top supports medical records of Zimmerman's doctor. I think this is why the prosecution was comfortable with presenting this witness to the jury.

[DrDan]

47. he does support Z's case

the fact that he testified that he did not see fists thrown, but did see downward arm movements can be used to explain why there were no injuries to TM's hands.

Going to boil down to who the jury believes. His testimony did seem credible to me - particularly as he was the closest (so far).

Evidence seems pretty evenly split right now imo.

[Travis_0004]

42. Most of the witnesses didn't look outside until after the gunshot.

Once Martin was shot, Zimmerman claims he got on top of him and was holding his hands down, so even a few witnesses who claimed Zimmerman was on top doesn't contradict Zimmerman's own claims, and will make this an uphill case for the prosecution.

[Coccydynia]

44. Holding down the hands of a dead man.

It doesn't wash. And most of the witnesses who testified testified to the fight and the screaming so I'm not sure you're clear on the facts of the case.

Sorry.

[yardwork]

82. Can't tell the difference between dark red and "dark" colors in the dark.

At least one witness stated that the man on top was the man who got up. That had to be Zimmerman, as Martin never got up. He was dead.

[GreenStormCloud]

89. One of those witness also claims that Z shot TM three times in the back.

She does not attempt to reconcile that with the fact that TM had only one shot in his chest.

That witness was the same one that freaked out while talking with the dispatcher and had to be calmed down. Because her testimony conflicts with reality, and because she became hysterical on the phone, the defense will have a easy time convincing the jury to disregard here testimony completely as being unreliable.

John Good, who was only a few feet away claims that TM was on top. Forensics also supports TM on top. (Gun in contact with clothes but two or three inches away from skin.)

[Coccydynia]

90. Forensics do not support TM on top.

And John Good said guy on top was using MMA maneuvers. Zimmerman's doc wrote in his notes that Zimmerman had been intensely practicing MMA maneuvers.

[pacalo]

5. Isn't that the way Zimmerman is now portraying his injuries? The OP is saying that Zimmerman's

claims about his injuries after he was charged with murder do not jibe with his actions before he was charged.

It made a huge difference to Zimmerman when he was faced with prison.

[Azathoth]

7. Zimmerman has always maintained that he acted in self defense

because he was being violently attacked. I am not aware that he ever claimed to have been critically wounded from the attack.

On edit: he, or at least his family, did claim that his nose was broken, and we know that to be true.

[uppityperson]

8. Link, please, showing reputable source showing that to be true.

[Azathoth]

10. Link for what? What did I say that is so controversial it needs to be sourced? nt

[uppityperson]

11. "he, or at least his family, did claim that his nose was broken, and we now that to be true."

Link?

[Azathoth]

12. Which part do you want sourced? The claim that his nose was broken, or the fact it is true?

[uppityperson]

13. To simplify, "we now know that to be true". Link? nt

[Azathoth]

14. I'm not clear what you think I'm making up here

A medical report compiled by the family physician of Trayvon Martin shooter George Zimmerman and obtained exclusively by ABC News found that Zimmerman was diagnosed with a "closed fracture" of his nose, a pair of black eyes, two lacerations to the back of his head and a minor back injury the day after he fatally shot Martin during an alleged altercation.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmerman-medical-report-sheds-light-injuries-trayvon/story?id=16353532#.Uc_g0KPD_L9

The physician's assistant reaffirmed this report in her testimony.

[uppityperson]

15. Ah, a year old abc story. Thank you. I was hoping for something more like x-rays or medical report

given in court as evidence. Thank you for providing me with a link to show me what you were talking about.

But the report also shows Zimmerman declined hospitalization the night of the shooting, and then declined the advice of his doctor to make a follow-up appointment with an ear nose and throat doctor.

In addition to his physical injuries, Zimmerman complained of stress and "occasional nausea when thinking about the violence." But he was not diagnosed with a concussion. The doctor noted that it was "imperative" that Zimmerman "be seen with [sic] his psychologist for evaluation."

"The physician's assistant reaffirmed this report in her testimony." Link to that please? Thank you.

[Azathoth]

16. So, what does that mean? I didn't break into the hospital and steal his x-rays for you,

so now you don't believe the testimony that was just given two days ago? Are you for real?

[uppityperson]

17. Why do you act like that? I ask for a link and you get all nasty and accusatory.

Giving a link is standard on DU. Do you have a link to that testimony that you say proves it? Thank you.

FWIW, I haven't been listening to the testimony as have instead been sitting with a dying relative. I appreciate your taking time to give me links to what you are claiming. Thank you.

[Azathoth]

18. I produced a credible link and your response came off as dismissive.

If that wasn't your intention, then I apologize.

A link that mentions her testimony:

http://www.baynews9.com/content/news/baynews9/news/article.html/content/news/articles/cfn/2013/6/28/first_week_of_testim.html

There is a caveat: the physician's assistant testified that his nose appeared to be broken, but the diagnosis was never confirmed because Zimmerman did not get x-rays taken.

[uppityperson]

21. thank you, that is all I had seen, that it "appeared" but no confirmed diagnosis. They are releasing

more info as the trial goes on, thought maybe they had something else. I do not consider an unconfirmed diagnosis as "true". Thank you for the link.

[Azathoth]

22. Fair enough. It seems to me something of a hair-splitting point, though n/t

[uppityperson]

24. Unconfirmed diagnosis = not accurate or true diagnosis.

[Azathoth]

28. That doesn't necessarily follow, or at least the 'not accurate' part doesn't follow

In any event, Zimmerman presented to his doctor with a nose injury severe enough that she thought it was broken. I don't see how it changes the case much whether the nose was actually broken or just injured so severely that it mimicked being broken

[uppityperson]

52. A PA's unconfirmed diagnosis may or may not be true or accurate but should not be held up as fact.

Why did he not go to the hospital that night if his injuries were that severe, and why did he not follow up with the ENT as his PHYSICIANS ASSISTANT told him to? By not doing so, by not getting an accurate diagnosis, he showed he did not think his injuries were that severe. One would think if he truly thought he was in danger enough to kill someone, Z would have had his injuries checked out.

Not his "doctor" but his "PA".

Do you know the difference between an MD and a PA?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physician_assistant


FWIW, my primary case provider is a PA. There is a difference between a PA and a doctor in training, scope of practice, and licensing. If a lawyer called a PA a MD, they are very wrong as they are not the same. They are both health care providers, but a PA is not a doctor.

[Azathoth]

77. So now a Physician's Assistant is not qualified to diagnose a broken nose?

I've never seen such pedantic straw-grasping in my life. You spent two paragraphs giving me a grade-school lecture about the distinction between a PA and a doctor because I typed "presented to his doctor" instead of "presented to his physician's assistant." This is called a "dodge." It allows you to type without actually addressing my point, and to continue using your logical fallacy

by not getting an accurate diagnosis

which DOES NOT FOLLOW. The lack of an x-ray does not negate the clinical judgment of a medical professional; it is not evidence that her diagnosis was not "accurate." In her opinion, Zimmerman's nose was likely broken. It is therefore a *fact* that Zimmerman sustained trauma to his nose severe enough that he presented to a medical professional with symptoms consistent with a broken nose.

he showed he did not think his injuries were that severe.

So, what are you saying? Zimmerman thought his doctor .... sorry, couldn't help it .... his *PA* was lying to him about his nose probably being broken? Or was she part of his conspiracy?

[uppityperson]

78. You miss the point. Not without a diagnosis and you seem to only want to be insulting, not discuss.

I do not know what your problem is here but since you seem to only want to rant and insult, I will leave you to it. have a good day.

[Azathoth]

79. Ah, ok, I get the act

Post comments that talk down to people, then clutch pearls and act shocked when they reply. Rinse, repeat.

A good day to you as well.

[uppityperson]

80. Projection. eom

[HiPointDem]

31. if his nose was broken, why didn't he go to the hospital?

[uppityperson]

51. And why did he not follow up with the ENT like he was told to? I agree.

I think you meant to reply to Azathoth?

I very much doubt Z's story and am amused by Azathoth's depiction of "facts" and defense of an unconfirmed diagnosis.

[yardwork]

83. No evidence that Zimmerman's nose was broken by Martin. None.

[JI7]

20. he thought it was serious enough to kill him

[HereSince1628]

45. True, and if confronted by a stalker with a gun, I'd be frightened for my life

It's possible that I'd fight as if my life depended on the outcome.

on edit...it's clear to me from the cross examination that the defense wants the pistol to have been visible and not concealed

[Sheepshank]

56. Zimmerman thought it was greivous.

He told his brother...who repeated it to the media a replayed loops, that he was afraid he would end up dead or in a diaper.

Is Zimmerman's brother about to or has already testify?

[treestar]

72. But he did sustain the head bashing

of a kind that could kill him, so most people would want a CAT Scan or whatever it is they do, to rule out internal injury/concussion. He'd have a headache and be concerned about a concussion.

[uponit7771]

75. There's no evidence, other than Z's own words, that TM did the bashing

[treestar]

76. His own words might have some bolstering had he gone to the hospital

Though, the hospital tests might have shown nothing, which might be part of why Zimmerman didn't go. He knew it would undermine his story.

[pacalo]

3. Because he didn't have a lawyer to do the pre-calculating for him.

But he has one now to rationalize the unexplainable.

isn't his reason for shooting Trayvon that Trayvon was beating him so bad that he could die ? that he was slamming his head on the concrete ?

if it was that bad why did he not go to the hospital then ?

This is an extremely good point that should be brought up by the prosecution.

[TorchTheWitch]

19. I've said the same from the beginning

This all by itself indicates that he DIDN'T feel that his life was in danger however he got his injuries. Anyone that believes that they're being beaten so badly that they are about to be killed would not only show injuries in accordance with that but want to go to the hospital to be sure they won't die from their injuries and have them treated.

If he did not believe he needed medical attention for his injuries then he did not believe that he was in imminent danger of death in receiving them.

Self-defense is only justifiable when only enough force to stop the attack is applied and they have a REASONABLE belief that killing the person is the only way to avoid being killed themselves. Zimmerman's light injuries and lack of medical concern for them put the lie to his fearing so much for his life his only choice was to kill Martin. They also put the lie to how he received the injuries.

And if Zimmerman had already brandished his gun to stop an attack or further attack it is reasonable that Martin would be the one with the most justifiable fear for his life and therefore justified in attacking the person brandishing it. I'll never believe that Zimmerman did not draw his gun until AFTER he had received his injuries. The whole point in having the gun was to thwart someone attacking him in the first place by brandishing it. It was that gun that gave Zimmerman the "liquid courage" to get out of his truck, chase after Martin and confront him in the first place. There's just no way that he would not have brandished it the moment he felt in danger of attack never mind in danger of his life. That's what having a gun is FOR.

[AtomicKitten]

23. because

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3130403

[Azathoth]

25. So the photos taken by the police that night aren't proof he was injured? n/t

[AtomicKitten]

27. I don't trust the police at that particular station.

And yes I believe they'd do their little buddy a solid and shall we say massage the evidence. The ease with which Zimmerman wandered around that particular police station as seen on surveillance tapes was unnerving.

[JI7]

29. people seem to forget(or want to forget)there was the whole problem

with that station when this first got on the news. there was the whole thing with the police chief where he ended up resigning . i think it was the same one who refused to arrest some son of a law enforcement officer when the son beat up a homeless black man.

[AtomicKitten]

30. Hat tip to Charles Blow who was outraged by no charges

... being filed in this case initially. This was a travesty that would have probably otherwise been undiscovered by the general public. It was clearly a nest of good ol' boys and it wouldn't surprise me one bit if it is revealed they impeded this case by screwing with evidence, etc.

The reason OJ was acquitted was because the dumbass police planted blood with a preservative in it at the scene establishing reasonable doubt. Derp.

[reusrename]

88. Actually, Dr. Fredric Rieders committed perjury about the EDTA.

He lost most of his expert credentials after that testimony, and he never testified again, AFAIK.

http://articles.latimes.com/1995-07-28/news/mn-28959_1_high-profile-cases

I know Dershowitz still hangs his hat on this perjured testimony, but it wasn't true.

[yardwork]

84. I've seen numerous photos of Zimmerman taken that night that look like he is perfectly fine.

[B2G]

48. The pics were taken by a neighbor at the scene

not the police.

[uppityperson]

53. Really? Which pictures are those? As I said, I've been busy elsewhere, not following daily and would

really appreciate any links or information about stuff like this. Thank you and this is meant sincerely, not snark. Thanks.

[B2G]

60. Joe Manalo took them with his iphone

I believe he took them just before the police arrived.

"Manalo, whose wife had testified earlier in the week, was the first neighbor to step outside and see what happened with his flashlight after he heard a gunshot. He took cellphone photos of a bloodied Zimmerman and Martin's body, and those photos were shown to jurors on Friday. Manalo also described Martin's hands as being under his body."

http://www.news-press.com/viewart/20130628/NEWS01/130628021/Neighbor-testifies-about-Martin-Zimmerman-fight

[uppityperson]

62. Thank you, I appreciate it. Off to read.

[B2G]

63. You're welcome n/t

[darkangel218]

32. Of course he wasnt in fear of being killed.

He was and is a racist pos, who didn't value Trayvons life. I hope to whatever god is out there that the jury will see Zimmy for the beast that he is.

[darkangel218]

36. Enjoy your stay. nt

[justiceischeap]

37. Not defending Zimmerman, cause I pretty much think he's guilty

but I was mugged at gun point by two youths several years ago. There was no "violence" other than being told to get down on the ground. I feared for my life with no physical injuries at all.

[uppityperson]

54. I wonder if the 2 mugging you feared for their lives also. Since Z was the one pursuing with the gun

[yardwork]

86. That's fair. And I believe that Trayvon Martin felt that he was being mugged or attacked.

Martin was the one who was followed and then accosted by a strange man in the dark. Martin was the one most likely to fear for his life during that encounter. Why would Zimmerman fear for his life? He's the one who followed Martin, called 911, and had a gun. He was in control of the situation.

Look at the situation from the point of view of Trayvon Martin, a seventeen year old who was new to the community. He's walking back to his father's apartment after going to a convenience store. It's dark. It's raining. Suddenly he realizes that he's being followed by a strange man. That would terrify me.

And Martin is the one who ended up dead. He had every reason to fear for his life.

[justiceischeap]

87. I totally agree but I'm just stating that you can be in fear of your life without

violence. That's all. I think Zimmerman stalked Martin and I think that Trayvon, at some point, turned the tables but I think the entire situation was caused by Zimmerman, ultimately make him responsible for the murder of an unarmed kid.

[Sienna86]

39. No insurance?

Sounds like Z was concerned with the cost of seeing a specialist (ENT).

[dairydog91]

40. This is an astonishingly silly question.

Maybe Zimmerman is lying about the head injury. Maybe he tripped and banged his head up all by himself. I don't know. But if Martin did slam Zimmerman's head into the pavement while Zimmerman was lying on his back (As I think Zimmerman is testifying), a lawyer who suggested that Zimmerman didn't have a reasonable fear of critical injury or death would be giggled out of the courtroom. You don't need to be actually dying to use lethal force in self defense, you normally just need a reasonable fear of either mortal or critical injury. Whacking someone's head on the pavement would normally qualify. Of course, there are other things one needs to prove in order to successfully argue self-defense, but trying to attack the extent of the injury definitely strikes me as a turkey of a legal tactic.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

46. *If* Martin did slam Zimmerman's head into the pavement. If.

"If" is the operative term.

Zimmerman claims he thought his life was in danger because his head was supposedly being bashed into concrete, repeatedly, to the point where he claims he thought he might black out.

In other words, that's some serious head banging going on.

Zimmerman didn't claim he feared for his life because had a gun, because Trayvon didn't have a gun. Zimmerman didn't claim he feared for his life because Trayvon had a knife, because Trayvon didn't have a knife. Zimmerman didn't even claim he feared for his life simply because Trayvon may have punched him in the nose.

As the defense argued in their opening, they say Trayvon was "armed with a deadly weapon, the concrete sidewalk."

All Zimmerman had to show for the fight was a bloody nose and two small cuts on his head. Hardly consistent with what one would consider having one's head bashed into hard concrete repeatedly.

A reasonable person who actually had his head bashed into concrete repeatedly to the point of feeling as if they would black out would not take such injuries lightly. They would at least go to the ER to check them out. About 10 years ago, I had a car accident where my car was totaled but I didn't suffer a scratch except for some whiplash. I went to the ER just to make sure my neck was okay.

He's lying about the severity and cause of his injuries. Which is good cause to cast doubt on his entire story that he thought his life was actually in danger at any time.

[FunkyLeprechaun]

49. Did they really say that?

Why was Trayvon's body several feet away from the concrete sidewalk? It doesn't make any sense at all.

[uppityperson]

55. Exactly. It doesn't make any sense at all.

[Savannahmann]

50. Imagine this, you're in an auto accident

Nearly all of us have been. There is a loud crash, perhaps you saw it coming, perhaps it was a complete surprise. You are thrown against your seat belt, perhaps your airbag deploys violently into your face. Shock, fear, and confusion reign at this moment. How many times have we heard that someone who refused treatment at the scene actually suffered severe injuries? Spinal injuries are the norm here, but not strictly limited.

The reverse is also true. At that moment, you may well think you are moments from death. You may well think that the smoke coming from your airbag is the first sign of fire, and that impression is probably helped by the heat of the airbag, they get bloody hot. You smell heat, feel it, see the wisp of smoke. Fear propels you to tear out of the car, and if you have passengers you are shouting at them to get out now. Fire, you must get out of the car before the fire.

Fear is the thing. Fear is incidental, and once the incident is over, fear subsides, but the fear is real. When police make mistakes, we always hear how they are going to get additional training. The idea is that the training can teach them to better think through the fear, but for some it is a lost cause. The fear in such an incident as a fight, for your life, or a car crash can and does tend to operate on instinct. Your instinctive response is fight, or flight. Protect or flee. If you are a parent, and your children are in the car, you will ignore your own injuries while struggling against an airbag and everything else to get to your children, check on them, care for them.

At that moment, while your head is bouncing on the ground, the fear of death is quite possible. Because you don't know how bad you are hurt. You feel the impacts, but part of you knows that adrenaline is masking the injuries. That is what it does, and that is why we have it. To help give us an edge in a life or death situation. Make us stronger, faster, allow us to think just a bit more quickly.

Now, here we go. Is it entirely possible that Zimmerman while this single moment in time was going on felt for a moment that he would not live through this? Yes. Even though I think he was as wrong as a screen door on a submarine for following Martin, I also think at that moment in the incident he could well have imagined himself seconds, or even moments from serious injury, or death.

After the accident, you calm down, adrenaline starts to subside, you feel a couple aches and you check yourself out. No broken bones, no serious pain anywhere. You talk to people, you're shaken, but otherwise unharmed. After the fact, when you are better able to process the information coming at you, you make a decision, probably accurate, that you're really fine. You laugh about the fear, because thankfully nobody got hurt.

Assuming that you like most of us has been in a fairly minor accident, or some other situation. Remember the feeling of relief you had when you and those who you knew, your children, friends, co-workers were alive and uninjured. Remember that moment of dread, where you were keenly aware of the possibility that not everyone, especially yourself, or your children, would not be well.

After the fact, your brain is working better, processing information better. At that moment, the moment of the event, your mind may not be processing information accurately. The relief of being alive, and essentially uninjured. Does that relief diminish the reality of that moment, when you were in fear of being injured, or killed in the accident? Is your eventual understanding of being alive and unharmed increased, or minimized by the fear you felt for that moment?

[uppityperson]

57. Here is where your scenario breaks down"You laugh about the fear, because thankfully nobody got hurt

"You laugh about the fear, because thankfully nobody got hurt."

[Savannahmann]

58. Hardly.

I put that at the end of the scenario of the auto accident. I put that in reference to the normal human reactions to a situation. People coming off of roller coasters are laughing, because they were frightened, and now they have the sense of relief. I was NOT suggesting and in no way conveyed that that laughing reaction would apply to a situation where life was lost.

So stop twisting the words, and the obvious meaning. Deal with the reality, instead of trying to force that reality to fit the cookie cutter of your own views.

[uppityperson]

59. My, was such a reply really necessary to a simple disagreement of part of what you wrote?

[Savannahmann]

61. Absolutely

Either you are an idiot who is too stupid to understand the post I made. I consider that possibility extremely unlikely. You would not have the post count you do if you were such a fool. The other possibility is you took a phrase out of context, in an effort to diminish my point, intentionally. So the most likely explanation was you intended to purposely diminish my argument by taking a portion of it out of context. That is a lie, and I detest lies. I detest them wherever, and whomever speaks them.

I have tremendous respect for anyone who would argue my points on their merits. You can disagree all you like, and if you had some logical, reasonable argument, you would have made it. Instead, you attempted to mischaracterize my post. For that, you are deserving of no respect, and should endure the disdain you have earned.

[uppityperson]

64. And rather than civil discussion you stoop to insults. Interesting.

[Savannahmann]

66. A civil discussion requires both people to communicate honestly.

You started the dance by refusing to debate the issue honestly. That is far more interesting wouldn't you agree?

[uppityperson]

67. I disagreed with part of what you said, you attacked me and insulted me. Do you want discussion or

simply agreement?

[Savannahmann]

68. Your disagreement was an intentional misrepresentation.

That is dishonorable to say the least, it is disingenuous at the minimum. My original unedited and un-redacted paragraph.

After the accident, you calm down, adrenaline starts to subside, you feel a couple aches and you check yourself out. No broken bones, no serious pain anywhere. You talk to people, you're shaken, but otherwise unharmed. After the fact, when you are better able to process the information coming at you, you make a decision, probably accurate, that you're really fine. You laugh about the fear, because thankfully nobody got hurt.

Then you claimed. Here is where your scenario breaks down"You laugh about the fear, because thankfully nobody got hurt

"You laugh about the fear, because thankfully nobody got hurt."

You utterly misrepresented my post, my point, and my argument. That is a reprehensible action, and one I will always eschew.

[uppityperson]

69. Oh. Kay. I agree that adrenaline during an incident makes things different. Time changes. Perception

Perception changes. After the adrenaline, fight/flight autonomic response is over things can be viewed differently.

My only complaint with what you wrote was "thankfully no one got hurt" because in this instance, and many others, people do get hurt.

I apologize if you took this as a slam on your whole argument and if you chose to attack me, to eschew my "reprehensible action" rather than taking the time to clarify, that is your right and you're wrong.

Hope you have a good day.

[TeeYiYi]

65. Because he knew...

...there would be no bruises found on the back of his head to support the cement bashing story.

Also, he was afraid they'd figure out that the shape of the nose injury matched the barrel on his gun.

TYY

[treestar]

70. Good argument

Even minor accidents hitting your head requires a scan to make sure it's all OK. And if it was life threatening, as Z has to claim it is - he should have wanted to go get checked out. He must have been thinking he was clearly getting away with it, with no arrest, under the SYG law.

[spin]

71. Several years ago a car driven by an intoxicated person clipped a telephone pole ...

and rolled several times before coming to rest across from our home.

Several people were inside and I was amazed that all refused to go to the hospital for treatment. It was obvious that there were some injuries that would have benefited from further treatment. The driver was arrested of course.

[madokie]

73. Drugs in his system

crank would be my guess as to the drug. He exhibited the symptoms of meth use to me. Paranoid, schizoid thinking etc. they always get away bullshit he said to the dispatcher

[egduj]

74. I can only assume it's because what the cop on the witnrss stand said.

The cop told George he could take him to the hospital first but it would be at his own expense. George declined stating he had no insurance.

[pipi_k]

81. As someone else stated

above...

Adrenaline, coupled with high emotion, could very well affect someone's judgement as to the seriousness of his own injuries.

I'm not sticking up for Zimmerman here, either. Just, as someone who has suffered from various disorders involving adrenaline, stating a fact.

There have been times when I was so full of adrenaline and fear that I didn't even realize I had (unintentionally) injured myself. Like the broken bone in my foot I didn't feel until the next day.

[Kingofalldems]

85. Because he is tough, due to the fact he carries a gun.

Guns make you a tough guy. And you are allowed to follow people who walk down the street.