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ProSense

(116,464 posts)
Sun Jun 30, 2013, 11:26 AM Jun 2013

With Julian Assange Taking the Spotlight, Edward Snowden's Future Looks Grim

With Julian Assange Taking the Spotlight, Edward Snowden's Future Looks Grim

The WikiLeaks leader is riding the NSA story back to relevance, at a cost to Snowden.

By Matt Berman

In a rare interview on Sunday's This Week, WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange didn't say where NSA leaker Edward Snowden is, and didn't say where he was immediately going. But he did say one thing quite clearly: He, Julian Assange, is a lot like Edward Snowden.

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But there are serious problems with the Julian Assange Takeover, and they are quickly boiling up. Last week, Ecuador's President Rafael Correa slowed down Snowden's asylum process because he was worried that the WikiLeaks leader was taking over the role of his country's government. The Guardian reported that Correa killed a temporary travel document that would have helped get Snowden out of the Moscow airport where he has reportedly been staying for the last week. In leaked communications, Ecuador officials seemed bitter by how much attention Assange was taking, with a Ecuador's U.S. ambassador telling a presidential spokesman "I suggest talking to Assange to better control the communications. From outside, [Assange] appears to be running the show."

Assange, for his part, criticized interference from the U.S. in Snowden's asylum search on Sunday, saying that "Joseph Biden, the day before yesterday, personally called President Correa trying to pressure him. That's not acceptable."

The increasingly cold-feet are coming from a nation that knows Assange well: Assange has been camped out in Ecuador's embassy in London for over a year as a means of avoiding extradition. Just two weeks ago, Ecuador's foreign minister even paid Assange a visit.

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http://www.nationaljournal.com/nationalsecurity/with-julian-assange-taking-the-spotlight-edward-snowden-s-future-looks-grim-20130630?mrefid=mostViewed


Julian Assange Blasts State Department Over Edward Snowden Treatment

Julian Assange blasted the U.S.' treatment of National Security Agency leaker Edward Snowden on Sunday, speaking from the Ecuadorean Embassy in London with George Stephanopoulos on ABC's "This Week."

"The United States, by canceling his passport, has left him for the moment marooned in Russia. Is that really a great outcome by the State Department? Is that really what it wanted to do?" Assange asked.

"To take a passport from a young man in a difficult situation like that is a disgrace," he said. "He is a hero. He has told the people of the world and the United States that there is mass unlawful interception of their communications, far beyond anything that happened under Nixon."

In hiding at the Moscow airport, Snowden has gambled that WikiLeaks will be able to help him receive asylum somewhere -- possibly in Ecuador -- and avoid his indictment in the U.S. for violating the Espionage Act. But Assange, the founder of WikiLeaks, said he would not reveal any details about Snowden's future plans.

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/30/julian-assange-edward-snowden_n_3525280.html

He should worry about his own future.

Ecuador cools on Edward Snowden asylum as Assange frustration grows
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023119831

Ecuadoran President Correa Gives VP Biden An Earful
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023130093




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With Julian Assange Taking the Spotlight, Edward Snowden's Future Looks Grim (Original Post) ProSense Jun 2013 OP
This message was self-deleted by its author Cooley Hurd Jun 2013 #1
? n/t ProSense Jun 2013 #12
It's a conservative rag. A pretty notorious one. Cooley Hurd Jun 2013 #13
Are you confusing it with the National Review? n/t ProSense Jun 2013 #14
Actually, I might be... Cooley Hurd Jun 2013 #16
And the White House is still spying on all Americans MannyGoldstein Jun 2013 #2
Start a thread. n/t ProSense Jun 2013 #3
No! No! Don't encourage that! randome Jun 2013 #6
This message was self-deleted by its author woo me with science Jun 2013 #7
Joseph Goebbels: Zorra Jun 2013 #4
Is that why Assange went on This Week? ProSense Jun 2013 #5
Could you show me where the state is repressing dissent Progressive dog Jun 2013 #15
Cognitive dissonance seens to work when untruths are being spread about the NSA the same way Thinkingabout Jun 2013 #31
"To take a passport from a young man in a difficult situation like that is a disgrace" randome Jun 2013 #8
Goofy statement. ProSense Jun 2013 #11
ProSense: "Spying on Americans was, is and will still be illegal." woo me with science Jun 2013 #9
Can't quit ProSense Jun 2013 #10
"he would not reveal any details about Snowden's future plans" longship Jun 2013 #17
It fell apart with the fake document. n/t ProSense Jun 2013 #18
A fake document originating from Assange's home... SidDithers Jun 2013 #19
Well, we're not sure if it was fake. longship Jun 2013 #20
Assange apologized for it. randome Jun 2013 #22
Yup. He did. longship Jun 2013 #24
It looks like they relied on the bogus refugee document flamingdem Jun 2013 #27
meanwhile murder by drone remains popular amongst some elements here on DU because it is msongs Jun 2013 #21
Biden sure has a way with words. Key statement shows Correa's change of heart flamingdem Jun 2013 #23
Smear Snowden all you want...it won't change the message davidn3600 Jun 2013 #25
You do know ProSense Jun 2013 #26
Yes, and Tom Cruise is the sexiest man alive! MADem Jun 2013 #28
Snowden "saw things"! He said stuff! randome Jun 2013 #33
Vice President Biden, how dare you do something Julian find unacceptable! treestar Jun 2013 #29
What people such as the OP and Matt Berman want you to forget: 99Forever Jun 2013 #30
Snowden does not seem as wise as he was in getting the files out if the NSA. Thinkingabout Jun 2013 #32

Response to ProSense (Original post)

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
6. No! No! Don't encourage that!
Sun Jun 30, 2013, 11:44 AM
Jun 2013

How about 'Show us some evidence'?

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Response to ProSense (Reply #3)

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
4. Joseph Goebbels:
Sun Jun 30, 2013, 11:42 AM
Jun 2013

“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State."

Progressive dog

(6,904 posts)
15. Could you show me where the state is repressing dissent
Sun Jun 30, 2013, 12:03 PM
Jun 2013

Have they come after you?

It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent,[/div

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
31. Cognitive dissonance seens to work when untruths are being spread about the NSA the same way
Sun Jun 30, 2013, 01:52 PM
Jun 2013

You may believe you are being told things by the state.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
8. "To take a passport from a young man in a difficult situation like that is a disgrace"
Sun Jun 30, 2013, 11:46 AM
Jun 2013

Who is Assange 'preaching' to? What country in the world would not want a spy to stop spilling secrets?

Poor Mr. Snowden. It isn't his fault he ran to hide from justice after saying he wasn't trying to hide from justice.

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woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
9. ProSense: "Spying on Americans was, is and will still be illegal."
Sun Jun 30, 2013, 11:46 AM
Jun 2013



http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2461323

ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 08:53 AM
Original message
Edited on Wed Feb-15-06 08:53 AM by ProSense

Bush is spying on Americans: opponents and activist groups. The law can't
be changed to make that legal.
The Republicans are trying to pull a fast one with this "law change" tactic by framing the illegal spying as warrantless spying on terrorists; therefore, the law is being changed to give Bush the authority to spy on terrorist. Spying on Americans was, is and will still be illegal. Bush committed crimeS by illegal spying on Americans and breaking existing FISA laws.

I'm sure all criminals would love to have a law passed that retroactively absolves them of their crimes.




Greenwald is right. Snowden is considered a great threat, and that is why he must be smeared and destroyed.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
10. Can't quit
Sun Jun 30, 2013, 11:54 AM
Jun 2013

being disingenuous, huh: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3122617

Do you stand by this post, Prosense?

Bush is spying on Americans: opponents and activist groups. The law can't be changed to make that legal.

ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 08:53 AM
Original message
Edited on Wed Feb-15-06 08:53 AM by ProSense

Bush is spying on Americans: opponents and activist groups. The law can't
be changed to make that legal. The Republicans are trying to pull a fast one with this "law change" tactic by framing the illegal spying as warrantless spying on terrorists; therefore, the law is being changed to give Bush the authority to spy on terrorist. Spying on Americans was, is and will still be illegal. Bush committed crimeS by illegal spying on Americans and breaking existing FISA laws.

I'm sure all criminals would love to have a law passed that retroactively absolves them of their crimes.

Yup, stand 100 percent behind it.

Ever heard of the PAA: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023026724

By all means, go on pretending you never received a response.

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You know I'm going to post this everytime you post your failed gotcha, don't you?








longship

(40,416 posts)
17. "he would not reveal any details about Snowden's future plans"
Sun Jun 30, 2013, 12:45 PM
Jun 2013

Maybe because Snowden is painted well into a corner and there are no possible good plans to extricate him. Painted into that corner, I might add, with the ample assistance of Mr. Assange.

No matter what anybody's opinion on Snowden/Assange the situation is not looking very good for Snowden. Did either of these people ever even think a step or two ahead? It appears not.

And now Snowden is stuck in a pickle barrel of his own making.

on edit: sorry for the mixed metaphors.

longship

(40,416 posts)
20. Well, we're not sure if it was fake.
Sun Jun 30, 2013, 01:00 PM
Jun 2013

The Ecuadorean government merely said it was not a valid document. But its apparently reported provenance leaves me to think that it may have been an actual document that hadn't cleared with said government.

I also suspect that Assange is out of his element here. He wouldn't know a valid one from a hole in his head.

I know. I know. I am being a pedant.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
22. Assange apologized for it.
Sun Jun 30, 2013, 01:18 PM
Jun 2013

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longship

(40,416 posts)
24. Yup. He did.
Sun Jun 30, 2013, 01:24 PM
Jun 2013

Apparently he was ignorant of protocol. But it also was reported as being the proper form, just not a validated one.

I am picking at lint here, though.

Sorry about that.

Snowden's current problems can be layed directly into the lap of Assange's ignorance. IMHO.

flamingdem

(39,313 posts)
27. It looks like they relied on the bogus refugee document
Sun Jun 30, 2013, 01:30 PM
Jun 2013

that some say Correa agreed to and others say Assange invented.

Before that I think they thought he could stay in Hong Kong. Snowden saw himself as a hero, they saw him as a liability!

He's pickled now.

flamingdem

(39,313 posts)
23. Biden sure has a way with words. Key statement shows Correa's change of heart
Sun Jun 30, 2013, 01:20 PM
Jun 2013

** It really does seem that the phone call to Ecuador's president caused a change of heart

“If he really could have broken North American laws, I am very respectful of other countries and their laws and I believe that someone who breaks the law must assume his responsibilities,” Correa said, according to the AP.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/julian-assange-edward-snowden-is-marooned-in-russia/2013/06/30/67ed243e-e191-11e2-9960-65d66450db63_story.html

 

davidn3600

(6,342 posts)
25. Smear Snowden all you want...it won't change the message
Sun Jun 30, 2013, 01:24 PM
Jun 2013

The NSA is a rogue agency spying on all Americans.

The truth is out.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
26. You do know
Sun Jun 30, 2013, 01:28 PM
Jun 2013

"Smear Snowden all you want...it won't change the message

The NSA is a rogue agency spying on all Americans.

The truth is out."

...that Snowden and NSA oversight are separate issues, don't you?

With Julian Assange Taking the Spotlight, Edward Snowden's Future Looks Grim
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023133609

The FISA Accountability and Privacy Protection Act of 2013
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3126302


MADem

(135,425 posts)
28. Yes, and Tom Cruise is the sexiest man alive!
Sun Jun 30, 2013, 01:31 PM
Jun 2013

I read it somewhere, so it must be true...! The truth is out!

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
33. Snowden "saw things"! He said stuff!
Sun Jun 30, 2013, 02:43 PM
Jun 2013

Stop with all the distractions!

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treestar

(82,383 posts)
29. Vice President Biden, how dare you do something Julian find unacceptable!
Sun Jun 30, 2013, 01:33 PM
Jun 2013

The head of the Ecuadorian consul in London's longest term guest is talking to you!

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
30. What people such as the OP and Matt Berman want you to forget:
Sun Jun 30, 2013, 01:46 PM
Jun 2013
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.


Do not be fooled, these people are not our friends or allies. Their allegiance is ONLY to TPTB.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
32. Snowden does not seem as wise as he was in getting the files out if the NSA.
Sun Jun 30, 2013, 02:27 PM
Jun 2013

Maybe some should start blaming China for not extraditing him to the US but maybe there were those who assisted his transfer to Russia all the time knowing the information he had would be of no use to other countries who probably collect the same information and more. Russia did pass some information on the Boston bombers.

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