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The WikiLeaks leader is riding the NSA story back to relevance, at a cost to Snowden.
By Matt Berman
In a rare interview on Sunday's This Week, WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange didn't say where NSA leaker Edward Snowden is, and didn't say where he was immediately going. But he did say one thing quite clearly: He, Julian Assange, is a lot like Edward Snowden.
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But there are serious problems with the Julian Assange Takeover, and they are quickly boiling up. Last week, Ecuador's President Rafael Correa slowed down Snowden's asylum process because he was worried that the WikiLeaks leader was taking over the role of his country's government. The Guardian reported that Correa killed a temporary travel document that would have helped get Snowden out of the Moscow airport where he has reportedly been staying for the last week. In leaked communications, Ecuador officials seemed bitter by how much attention Assange was taking, with a Ecuador's U.S. ambassador telling a presidential spokesman "I suggest talking to Assange to better control the communications. From outside, [Assange] appears to be running the show."
Assange, for his part, criticized interference from the U.S. in Snowden's asylum search on Sunday, saying that "Joseph Biden, the day before yesterday, personally called President Correa trying to pressure him. That's not acceptable."
The increasingly cold-feet are coming from a nation that knows Assange well: Assange has been camped out in Ecuador's embassy in London for over a year as a means of avoiding extradition. Just two weeks ago, Ecuador's foreign minister even paid Assange a visit.
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http://www.nationaljournal.com/nationalsecurity/with-julian-assange-taking-the-spotlight-edward-snowden-s-future-looks-grim-20130630?mrefid=mostViewed
Julian Assange blasted the U.S.' treatment of National Security Agency leaker Edward Snowden on Sunday, speaking from the Ecuadorean Embassy in London with George Stephanopoulos on ABC's "This Week."
"The United States, by canceling his passport, has left him for the moment marooned in Russia. Is that really a great outcome by the State Department? Is that really what it wanted to do?" Assange asked.
"To take a passport from a young man in a difficult situation like that is a disgrace," he said. "He is a hero. He has told the people of the world and the United States that there is mass unlawful interception of their communications, far beyond anything that happened under Nixon."
In hiding at the Moscow airport, Snowden has gambled that WikiLeaks will be able to help him receive asylum somewhere -- possibly in Ecuador -- and avoid his indictment in the U.S. for violating the Espionage Act. But Assange, the founder of WikiLeaks, said he would not reveal any details about Snowden's future plans.
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/30/julian-assange-edward-snowden_n_3525280.html
He should worry about his own future.
Ecuador cools on Edward Snowden asylum as Assange frustration grows
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023119831
Ecuadoran President Correa Gives VP Biden An Earful
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023130093
Response to ProSense (Original post)
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ProSense
(116,464 posts)Cooley Hurd
(26,877 posts)ProSense
(116,464 posts)Cooley Hurd
(26,877 posts)...so, I'll self-delete.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Which is the far bigger issue here.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)randome
(34,845 posts)How about 'Show us some evidence'?
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Zorra
(27,670 posts)If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State."
ProSense
(116,464 posts)It's not about AssangeSnowdenGreenwald!!!!
Progressive dog
(6,904 posts)Have they come after you?
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)You may believe you are being told things by the state.
randome
(34,845 posts)Who is Assange 'preaching' to? What country in the world would not want a spy to stop spilling secrets?
Poor Mr. Snowden. It isn't his fault he ran to hide from justice after saying he wasn't trying to hide from justice.
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ProSense
(116,464 posts)woo me with science
(32,139 posts)ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 08:53 AM
Original message
Edited on Wed Feb-15-06 08:53 AM by ProSense
Bush is spying on Americans: opponents and activist groups. The law can't
be changed to make that legal. The Republicans are trying to pull a fast one with this "law change" tactic by framing the illegal spying as warrantless spying on terrorists; therefore, the law is being changed to give Bush the authority to spy on terrorist. Spying on Americans was, is and will still be illegal. Bush committed crimeS by illegal spying on Americans and breaking existing FISA laws.
I'm sure all criminals would love to have a law passed that retroactively absolves them of their crimes.
Greenwald is right. Snowden is considered a great threat, and that is why he must be smeared and destroyed.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)being disingenuous, huh: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3122617
Bush is spying on Americans: opponents and activist groups. The law can't be changed to make that legal.
ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 08:53 AM
Original message
Edited on Wed Feb-15-06 08:53 AM by ProSense
Bush is spying on Americans: opponents and activist groups. The law can't
be changed to make that legal. The Republicans are trying to pull a fast one with this "law change" tactic by framing the illegal spying as warrantless spying on terrorists; therefore, the law is being changed to give Bush the authority to spy on terrorist. Spying on Americans was, is and will still be illegal. Bush committed crimeS by illegal spying on Americans and breaking existing FISA laws.
I'm sure all criminals would love to have a law passed that retroactively absolves them of their crimes.
Yup, stand 100 percent behind it.
Ever heard of the PAA: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023026724
By all means, go on pretending you never received a response.
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You know I'm going to post this everytime you post your failed gotcha, don't you?
longship
(40,416 posts)Maybe because Snowden is painted well into a corner and there are no possible good plans to extricate him. Painted into that corner, I might add, with the ample assistance of Mr. Assange.
No matter what anybody's opinion on Snowden/Assange the situation is not looking very good for Snowden. Did either of these people ever even think a step or two ahead? It appears not.
And now Snowden is stuck in a pickle barrel of his own making.
on edit: sorry for the mixed metaphors.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Coincidence?
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longship
(40,416 posts)The Ecuadorean government merely said it was not a valid document. But its apparently reported provenance leaves me to think that it may have been an actual document that hadn't cleared with said government.
I also suspect that Assange is out of his element here. He wouldn't know a valid one from a hole in his head.
I know. I know. I am being a pedant.
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longship
(40,416 posts)Apparently he was ignorant of protocol. But it also was reported as being the proper form, just not a validated one.
I am picking at lint here, though.
Sorry about that.
Snowden's current problems can be layed directly into the lap of Assange's ignorance. IMHO.
flamingdem
(39,313 posts)that some say Correa agreed to and others say Assange invented.
Before that I think they thought he could stay in Hong Kong. Snowden saw himself as a hero, they saw him as a liability!
He's pickled now.
msongs
(67,413 posts)"legal"
flamingdem
(39,313 posts)** It really does seem that the phone call to Ecuador's president caused a change of heart
If he really could have broken North American laws, I am very respectful of other countries and their laws and I believe that someone who breaks the law must assume his responsibilities, Correa said, according to the AP.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/julian-assange-edward-snowden-is-marooned-in-russia/2013/06/30/67ed243e-e191-11e2-9960-65d66450db63_story.html
davidn3600
(6,342 posts)The NSA is a rogue agency spying on all Americans.
The truth is out.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)"Smear Snowden all you want...it won't change the message
The NSA is a rogue agency spying on all Americans.
The truth is out."
...that Snowden and NSA oversight are separate issues, don't you?
With Julian Assange Taking the Spotlight, Edward Snowden's Future Looks Grim
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023133609
The FISA Accountability and Privacy Protection Act of 2013
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3126302
MADem
(135,425 posts)I read it somewhere, so it must be true...! The truth is out!
randome
(34,845 posts)Stop with all the distractions!
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treestar
(82,383 posts)The head of the Ecuadorian consul in London's longest term guest is talking to you!
99Forever
(14,524 posts)Do not be fooled, these people are not our friends or allies. Their allegiance is ONLY to TPTB.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Maybe some should start blaming China for not extraditing him to the US but maybe there were those who assisted his transfer to Russia all the time knowing the information he had would be of no use to other countries who probably collect the same information and more. Russia did pass some information on the Boston bombers.