As Long As American Workers Stay Anti Union They Deserve To Work For Dirt And They Will.

[TheMastersNemesis]

If you are antiunion and antilabor and are working for a pittance enjoy your miserable life. You deserve it.

[pintobean]

1. I don't think that's a winning strategy.

If you are union, I'd suggest you speak with your organizers about it. The idea is to convince people that union is a better way, not to say fuck you if you don't agree with us.

[WovenGems]

2. Oh well

I thought we were smart enough not to have to relive recent history. Apparently not. We will see unions again. And sadly, the reasons for their return will match why they came into being in the first case.

[Squinch]

4. I agree, but sadly, that means we both foresee disaster for the American worker.

And the last time unions rose, the violence against them was devastating. It was a war.

[HiPointDem]

3. 1/3 of americans view unions favorably, 1/4 unfavorably, the rest undecided.

i'd say that it's up to unions/union supporters to demonstrate the value.

http://theweek.com/article/index/212649/what-americans-really-think-about-unions-by-the-numbers

right now many union members are getting screwed almost as hard as the non-unionized and in some cases harder.

[RevStPatrick]

5. Oh, here we go with the "you deserve it" shit.

Some dude wakes up and is on the internet at 6:52 am, and decides to tell a whole big bunch of other people to go fuck themselves.

How's that working out for you?

You must be a real darling person to be around.

[cali]

6. yeah, I loath that stuff.

[Javaman]

7. +1 nt

[Javaman]

8. then you aren't working hard enough to convince them otherwise.

remember, during days of the "company store" there were plenty of non-union workers who willingly paid fealty to the company men until they were convinced otherwise.

just giving up is what the non-union thugs bank on.

there are plenty of people who continue to work against their own best interests in regards to their workers rights by gobbling up the anti-union propaganda.

It's up to us, we union members and union supporters to educate them on the bigger picture and what they deserve as working men and women.

many the anti-union workers have been beaten down so far that for them, it's easier just to go along and take the punishment rather than admit that they had been screwed over.

Start off gentle then build your message.

sometimes the most powerful message is an off hand comment.

We fight the bosses, we educate the people.

[ceonupe]

9. technology and global trade have done more to harm unions than american attitudes or union coruption

technology and global trade have done more to harm unions than american attitudes or union corruption.

You see even non union plants being shipped to mexico and other countries every day. with modern technology you can distribute your workforce.

Im not saying these things are all good or bad. but for example some fast food restaurants already have self-order machines and payment, smartphone apps and other technology that dramatically reduce the number of employees.

The bigger problem is most higher level paying industries have little to zero representation by unions. In IT, Healthcare, Finical Services ect...

I worked for Apple in college and while the company was not openly anti-union there was little movement by employees to unionize. Even in the retail channel at that time employees were highly compensated and the perks were good. I even remember during a raise freeze the bonuses we got on store sales more than made up for it. Now over time the benefits got a little less nice and pay is not as high relatively as it once was its still a better place to work retail than best buy or your typical mall store.

To people my age Under 40 college educated in "white collar" jobs what is the unions message to me. What efforts are they making? in my professional experiences so far they usually wernt that persuasive or were based on protecting outdated technologies and process just on the basis of keeping jobs not the long term. (do that and you wake up 6 months later with a competitor eating your lunch)

[deutsey]

10. I come from a working-class/working-poor background

Everything I know about union and labor history I learned on my own from my 20 or 30s on.

My mom (who was a waitress at a diner) and my stepfather (shortorder cook, menial labor) were not antiunion, neither were their friends. At least I never heard them bash unions. It was the '70s so maybe they were still able to benefit from labor/union activism but didn't think they needed to be part of it. I don't know.

But if I knew then what I know now about my class history, I would've taken a different path in life, probably.