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Archae

(46,340 posts)
Tue Jul 2, 2013, 09:39 PM Jul 2013

Snowden keeps asking different countries for asylum...

But most of them had gave an answer already, and the answer is no.

Even Ecuador, for crying out loud.

You know why?

No, not because of "The Great Obama Fascist Conspiracy."

Because would *YOU* trust Snowden in your country?
I wouldn't.
We already know he's a liar and hypocrite.

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Snowden keeps asking different countries for asylum... (Original Post) Archae Jul 2013 OP
He could easily be put under wraps in any country. Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #1
Actually I think it is a ploy. A country I suspect has already granted him asylum, this is part of still_one Jul 2013 #2
Which country? nt MADem Jul 2013 #5
If so, I'm thinking Iran. AlinPA Jul 2013 #7
I have no idea, but I would suspect a South American country. This is all speculation of course still_one Jul 2013 #17
Somalia would love him a Libertarian paradise so they say. Historic NY Jul 2013 #11
Hey diddledy dee! A pirate's life for me! nt MADem Jul 2013 #18
North Korea would love him. So would Iran! MADem Jul 2013 #3
A summary list of countries' responses on the link below Tx4obama Jul 2013 #4
I'd ask as well. Given how we treat prisoners here, gitmo being one example The Straight Story Jul 2013 #6
So do you think he would be mistreated while in prison? Cali_Democrat Jul 2013 #9
Well, given Manning and others I would say the probablity is high The Straight Story Jul 2013 #13
The prosecution is not allowed to seal evidence to hamper the defense Cali_Democrat Jul 2013 #15
Perhaps I worded it poorly, my concern on evidence is: The Straight Story Jul 2013 #16
Exactly marions ghost Jul 2013 #19
Snowden SamKnause Jul 2013 #8
Is there proof he's actually asking? leftstreet Jul 2013 #10
I think he ends up in Bolivia Harmony Blue Jul 2013 #12
You are right . No other country has any reason treestar Jul 2013 #14
North Korea would accept Snowden. Then NC would have two nuts in country. nt bluestate10 Jul 2013 #20

still_one

(92,303 posts)
2. Actually I think it is a ploy. A country I suspect has already granted him asylum, this is part of
Tue Jul 2, 2013, 09:42 PM
Jul 2013

The game

MADem

(135,425 posts)
3. North Korea would love him. So would Iran!
Tue Jul 2, 2013, 09:44 PM
Jul 2013

They'd probably trade him for a couple of tons of wheat, or a lessening of sanctions...but never mind those pesky details!

The Straight Story

(48,121 posts)
6. I'd ask as well. Given how we treat prisoners here, gitmo being one example
Tue Jul 2, 2013, 09:45 PM
Jul 2013

killing people with drones without a trial who were us citizens at the time, etc

Not to mention the wealthy can get away with about anything in this country and make a profit doing it while those without will get nailed to the wall and sent to prison.

If we were a more just society I would be on the band wagon to get him back here and have a fair and open trial.

We are not.

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
9. So do you think he would be mistreated while in prison?
Tue Jul 2, 2013, 09:52 PM
Jul 2013

Or do you think prosecution has no legal basis and he committed no crimes?

You think the trial wouldn't be fair?

The Straight Story

(48,121 posts)
13. Well, given Manning and others I would say the probablity is high
Tue Jul 2, 2013, 10:00 PM
Jul 2013

Prosecution: They will throw out there what they want and seal it as related to national security and hamper defense any chance they get. And if everything he says is true then perhaps his defense attorney's will be being watched and listened into as well....

I am sure there were some crimes somewhere involved but I think the biggest worry they have is that he may well have exposed crimes others were doing (don't see a big rush to fix the issues exposed and to bring any parties that may have broken those laws to justice).

Maybe we could have a trial in Germany under their legal system, betting the feds would choke on that and claim national security reasons. They want to get him here, control him, shut him up, and punish him.

You don't piss off the wealthy or powerful, or it will make news and you will be hounded the world over until caught.

Would that the government would work as hard on the 10 most wanted list and finding some killers and such....

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
15. The prosecution is not allowed to seal evidence to hamper the defense
Tue Jul 2, 2013, 10:12 PM
Jul 2013

if it is going to be used against the defendent. Discovery:

(E) Documents and Objects. Upon a defendant's request, the government must permit the defendant to inspect and to copy or photograph books, papers, documents, data, photographs, tangible objects, buildings or places, or copies or portions of any of these items, if the item is within the government's possession, custody, or control and:

(i) the item is material to preparing the defense;

(ii) the government intends to use the item in its case-in-chief at trial; or

(iii) the item was obtained from or belongs to the defendant.


Did Snowden leak classified documents to unauthorized individuals. Yes?

Trial in Germany? Now you just sound silly.

The Straight Story

(48,121 posts)
16. Perhaps I worded it poorly, my concern on evidence is:
Tue Jul 2, 2013, 10:18 PM
Jul 2013

MIAMI (AP) — Two Colombians who were facing the prospect of spending the rest of their lives in a U.S. prison for drug trafficking will go home much sooner after prosecutors were accused of withholding evidence about payments by the Drug Enforcement Administration to police in the South American country.

http://news.yahoo.com/us-accused-withholding-evidence-drug-case-191619760.html

In other words, if they have evidence that could help him I could see them not releasing it and finding a national security reason not to allow some information into the trial which may show that he was a whistle blower protected under whistler blower laws:

"Whistleblower Protection provides freedom of speech for workers and contractors in certain situations. Laws, like the Ethics in Government Act, cannot be enforced if free speech is not protected for individuals that report corruption or crime in the workplace. The difficulty with free speech is that work-related information associated with Classified information in the United States can have a negative impact on national security and United States public debt. A Non-disclosure agreement creates similar conflicts in private business."

One could see the acts by the NSA/et al, as corruption or crimes - but those things are not being investigated as such (yet, anyway) and they could delay doing so which would harm his case and ability to claim protection.

SamKnause

(13,108 posts)
8. Snowden
Tue Jul 2, 2013, 09:48 PM
Jul 2013

By your reasoning would you trust the United States of America ?

The world already knows that the U.S. lies and are the worlds biggest hypocrites. (illegal invasions, occupations, torture, sanctions, financial terrorism etc.)

Lying and hypocrisy are their good attributes.

leftstreet

(36,109 posts)
10. Is there proof he's actually asking?
Tue Jul 2, 2013, 09:53 PM
Jul 2013

Or is the corporate media just jerking itself off to make him look isolated?

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