Why didn't Bolivia's President give Snowden a lift?

[ProSense]

There have been hints that various Presidents have offered to fly Snowden out of Russia on their planes.

Why is that not happening?

Countries that have rejected Snowden's request:

Austria No.

Brazil No.

Ecuador No.

Finland No.

India No.

Ireland No.

The Netherlands No.

Norway No.

Poland No.

Russia No.

Spain No.

Switzerland No.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jul/02/edward-snowden-nsa-asylum-application-list-countries

[Whoopie]

1. Morales FURIOUS!!

Edward Snowden asylum: Bolivian president's plane diverted - live coverage http://gu.com/p/3h3xc/tw via @guardian

[lunasun]

31. should be Crappy way to flaunt one's world power muscle

best comment on that link imo >The ancient Assyrians and Babylonians could only dream of having such cringing subservient client states.

[Tx4obama]

2. Status of some more countries on link below

Here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023149488

[leftstreet]

3. BULLSHIT! Do you even read your own links? Jesus

Oh! Maybe you're not accustomed to checking out links that aren't BIG and BLUE

Most of the countries on that list can only consider asylum if the person is on their soil

(which is pretty common)

[ProSense]

5. LOL!

"BULLSHIT! Do you even read your own links?"

What the fuck does that have to do with the question of flying him out?

"Jesus Most of the countries on that list can only consider asylum if the person is on their soil"

Gee, you're a wealth of outrage and common information.

[leftstreet]

7. You mean to tell us you didn't know that?!

[Harmony Blue]

6. +1 Thank you

for pointing out the obvious.

[treestar]

8. This is about Presidents flying him there so he can apply

Looks like no takers on that either.

[leftstreet]

10. OP states all those countries rejected asylum. Lie n/t

[ProSense]

11. No,

"OP states all those countries rejected asylum. Lie "

...your claim is bullshit.

Updated: India, Brazil reject Snowden’s asylum request; Snowden withdraws request to Russia
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023147692

[leftstreet]

13. You're lying. Requests were WITHDRAWN and UNANSWERED

Man....you people are really, really, reeeeeeally nervous

[ProSense]

19. You're desperate.

[leftstreet]

20. No, you are. And you're out of your league n/t

[ProSense]

24. LOL! n/t

[treestar]

60. Most of them said, not here on our soil, no application

Thus Eddie's hopes are in those who will privately jet him somewhere that will take the application.

We've heard Maduro and Morales have been to Moscow recently. Not takers.

[Logical]

29. Someone provides her with the posts. n-t

[struggle4progress]

51. And who should we thank for providing you with the accusations you post?

[Logical]

55. All the links come from someone, correct? LOL, does she create the stories herself? n-t

[BenzoDia]

4. Maybe he didn't want to pay the $25 additional baggage fee.

[Gravitycollapse]

9. This entire OP is one gigantic pile of disinformation.

[ProSense]

12. You wish.

[Gravitycollapse]

15. Asylum is not considered unless the person is within a country...

Which would mean being in an embassy or in the actual physical country.

These nations haven't refused asylum. And with that conclusion, your entire OP is a big fat lie. Honestly, have you no shame?

[Number23]

16. The countries that have said no are exactly the ones she mentioned in her OP

From the link:

Countries that have said no:
Austria
Brazil
Ecuador
Finland
India
Ireland
The Netherlands
Norway
Poland
Russia
Spain
Switzerland

So even though he's not on their soil, the countries have already said they will not accept an asylum plea from Snowden. Prosense's OP is correct as per her link. Not sure why you and one other person in this thread are arguing about that.

[leftstreet]

18. BULLSHIT!

Read the link! Try to access Google!

Some of the countries have said NO WE CAN'T ACCEPT A REQUEST FOR ASYLUM UNLESS YOU'RE ON OUR SOIL.

Some of the countries HAVE NOT RESPONDED AT ALL

Some countries haven't responded because SNOWDEN RESCINDED HIS REQUEST

FFS

[ProSense]

21. Calm down, you're wrong.

[leftstreet]

23. Prove it n/t

[Number23]

30. You need to get a fucking grip. SERIOUSLY

If you can't be bothered to read then leave people alone that actually CAN.

FROM THE LINK:

He has yet to receive a positive response to his applications for asylum. Some countries have yet to respond but a number have already rejected his request.

The countries listed have ALREADY SAID NO. Even if Snowden made it to their soil, his asylum request would STILL BE DENIED.

[ProSense]

33. That part is invisible, I guess.

[Number23]

45. Isn't it funny how the Guardian is the source of all truth and justice... until it says something

that the Snowden fans don't like???

[leftstreet]

36. LOL youz guys are desperate

You can't even parse the info accurately



You seriously should let this thread die

[Number23]

39. The only way that sentence could be more clear is if James Earl Jones read it to you

while sitting right across the dining room table from you.

Your denial and inability to read the information right in front you in clear, undistorted English is what is truly hilarious. In a sad, desperate kind of way.

[leftstreet]

42. Give it up

There are plenty of ways for you guys to smear Snowden

You fucked up on this one - let it go

[Number23]

44. If basic reading comprehension and being able to parse the English language

(of which I am a native speaker) is "smearing Snowden" then I can understand your absurd and desperately pathetic attempt to act as though you can't understand what HIS REQUESTS WERE REJECTED means.

[Gravitycollapse]

25. Absolutely false, as ProSense has mistakenly demonstrated below.

Nice try though.

[ProSense]

28. More bullshit. You're wrong, and trying to deflect. n/t

[Number23]

35. Why come into the thread if you've already conditioned your mind

to flat out reject ANYTHING that doesn't fit comfortably into your preconceived and incorrect notion about things?

The man has sought asylum from about 21 countries. At last count, about 12 of them HAVE ALREADY SAID NO. He will not receive asylum even if he makes it to those countries.

Here is another link to another story. It hasn't been updated for some time, which is baffling, but even in this article, they note that several countries have already rejected his asylum claims. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-07-02/snowden-abandons-bid-for-asylum-in-russia/4795128

One of the countries that said no was Russia. As much as Russia dislikes the US and would love nothing more to poke us in the eye, that is TRULY saying something that they have already rejected his asylum request.

[Gravitycollapse]

48. Ecuador is listed in the OP. Despite the fact that they have not rejected

His application. The OP is a lie. It's plain as day.

[Number23]

52. In the LINK from the OP, Ecuador is listed as a no. Your issue should be with them, not Prosense

And I still don't understand why could not have taken four seconds and seen that for yourself instead of attacking her for absolutely no reason at all.

[Gravitycollapse]

56. She just proved herself wrong downthread...

By posting an exact excerpt saying that Ecuador cannot process the asylum request unless he is on their soil. Go read it. Go read what she posted and tell me I'm wrong.

[Number23]

64. Forget it. You read what you want. You BELIEVE what you need to believe

From the link in the damn OP:

Ecuador

No. The president, Rafael Correa, said he was not considering Snowden's asylum request. In an interview with the Guardian, Correa said Snowden would have to reach Ecuadorean territory before the country would consider any asylum request. The US has cancelled Snowden's passport, and Correa said his government would not give Snowden an authorised travel document to extract himself from Moscow airport. "The right of asylum request is one thing, but helping someone travel from one country to another – Ecuador has never done this."

PER HER LINK, it was THE GUARDIAN that said Ecuador was a no. Prosense is is NOT wrong no matter how desperately you need to parse it and pretend otherwise. I have absolutely no interest in pursuing this desperate and idiotic conversation further.

[ProSense]

17. Really?

"Asylum is not considered unless the person is within a country..."

You seem to have missed the fact that the piece is based on the current requests, and there are countries that have outright said "no."

From the link:

Brazil

No. A foreign ministry spokesman said Brazil would not grant asylum, adding that it would leave the request unanswered.

Ecuador

No. The president, Rafael Correa, said he was not considering Snowden's asylum request. In an interview with the Guardian, Correa said Snowden would have to reach Ecuadorean territory before the country would consider any asylum request. The US has cancelled Snowden's passport, and Correa said his government would not give Snowden an authorised travel document to extract himself from Moscow airport. "The right of asylum request is one thing, but helping someone travel from one country to another – Ecuador has never done this."

Poland

No. The foreign minister, Radosław Sikorski, wrote on his Twitter account: "I will not give a positive recommendation."

Russia

No. Snowden withdrew his request after Vladimir Putin's statement making clear that he would be welcome only if he stopped "his work aimed at bringing harm" to the United States.

[Gravitycollapse]

22. Per your own posts, your OP is a lie. Seriously, do you have shame?

[ProSense]

27. Bullshit, and you apparently are the one without "shame"?

Do you really think that saying anything is a valid argument?

The current requests were denied. If you can provide a link showing that they were approved, go for it.

Otherwise, your claim is bullshit.

[leftstreet]

32. A request has to be accepted first b4 it can be denied

[ProSense]

37. Wait, you're saying it wasn't "accepted"

Is that the same as approved?

Face it, his request was rejected by several countries. Come to grips with that fact. You'll feel better.

[leftstreet]

38. Call Italy right now. Ask for asylum

Or, better yet, just send them a text. Maybe a Facebook instant message

Get back to us with the response

[ProSense]

46. Italy closed its airspace to the Bolivian President's flight

Does that mean Italy is considering asylum?

[Gravitycollapse]

40. It's in your own goddamn post. Ecuador will not process the request...

Unless he is in the country. Do you not read the things you post? Is that how low you've stooped? Jesus Christ, do you expect people to be that gullible?

[ProSense]

43. Wait,

"It's in your own goddamn post. Ecuador will not process the request...Unless he is in the country."

...did you read this "goddamn" part?

The US has cancelled Snowden's passport, and Correa said his government would not give Snowden an authorised travel document to extract himself from Moscow airport. "The right of asylum request is one thing, but helping someone travel from one country to another – Ecuador has never done this."

Is that invisible or are you going to ignore it?

[Gravitycollapse]

50. It says right there in the excerpt you posted, for God's sake...

He has to be on their soil to process the asylum request. It says right in the words that you yourself posted and highlighted. Good God, how are you not understanding this?

Can you not understand the difference between an asylum request and giving him passage?

[ProSense]

54. "Correa said his government would not give Snowden an authorised travel document"

"Correa said his government would not give Snowden an authorised travel document to extract himself from Moscow airport."

See that part?

How about this:

"The right of asylum request is one thing, but helping someone travel from one country to another – Ecuador has never done this."

See that?

[Gravitycollapse]

58. You literally just posted proof again that you're wrong...

An asylum request is not the same thing as passage. It is right there. For the love of God, read what you post.

[ProSense]

59. Clearly,

"You literally just posted proof again that you're wrong... An asylum request is not the same thing as passage. It is right there. For the love of God, read what you post."

...you've just decided to ignore the facts. If Ecuador isn't going to give him a travel document and passage, how is he going to get asylum?

The full text:

Ecuador

No. The president, Rafael Correa, said he was not considering Snowden's asylum request. In an interview with the Guardian, Correa said Snowden would have to reach Ecuadorean territory before the country would consider any asylum request. The US has cancelled Snowden's passport, and Correa said his government would not give Snowden an authorised travel document to extract himself from Moscow airport. "The right of asylum request is one thing, but helping someone travel from one country to another – Ecuador has never done this."

Evidently, that reads as a pending approval to you.

[Tarheel_Dem]

63. "Do you really think that saying anything is a valid argument?"

When you're clutching at straws, the answer is obviously, YES! Thanks for the o.p.

[reorg]

62. Yes, really

Countries have laws they must follow, whether you agree with them or not. It is not a random condition that you have to be in the country (or the embassy) to make an asylum request. Most of the countries you list have not denied his request, they have informed Snowden of the conditions (such as presence in the country) or they have not reacted (because there was no legal obligation since his request was not made from inside their country). That's not denial of an asylum request, that's information about procedure.

However, there are other ways for Snowden to get protection. As spokespersons for the Greens in Germany have pointed out, he could be invited to come to Germany for humanitarian reasons. Right-wing government spokespersons tends to disagree, based on the assumption that the US is still a "Rechtsstaat" (lawful state) - but there are reasons to disagree, so ...

Yet another way to get him to Germany would be to call him as a witness against the crimes of US officials committed against Germans, some or most of them likely committed IN Germany. Hans-Christian Ströbele of the Greens, member of the Bundestag committee entrusted with oversight of the German intelligence services, demands witness protection for Snowden. According to Der Spiegel, "Amerikas millionenfacher Rechtsbruch" (America's millionfold breach of law) is already being investigated by federal prosecutors.

OTOH, as long as Ms Merkel's party remains at the helm, the same party that was in favor of participating in the Iraq war crime, there is probably little hope that any of the above materializes. The socialists in Latin America will be Snowden's only real option.

[msongs]

14. he thought "the adminstration" would have him killed in a drone attack? nt

[Cali_Democrat]

26. You think the US would target Morales with a drone?

[treestar]

61. some thing "drones" are the killer in every argument

[still_one]

34. Does any really believe what is being reported?

[ProSense]

47. Oh you're resorting to name calling and personal attacks.

How cute.

[DesMoinesDem]

49. No name calling. Just accurately describing you.

[Incitatus]

53. Slightly off topic, but does anyone know what accommodations there are in the part of the airport

where he is?

Is he sleeping on a bench and eating from a McDonald's stand or are there hotel rooms and other amenities? If that is the case, I don't know what his money situation is, but I suppose there are some supporters that would help him. Could he stay there indefinitely if that is the case, like Assange in the embassy?

[alcibiades_mystery]

57. He's already become the assistant manager of the Orange Julius

He really is quite crafty. They're paying him 200,000 rubles a year.