4th Amendment...

[Agschmid]

Has this been violated?

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

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[Recursion]

1. I don't know and would like to

I suggest Congress do some hearings.

[NYC_SKP]

2. Over and over and over again.

In the name of the war on drugs and the war on terror.

And, to the benefit of corporations, mostly.

[Agschmid]

4. So many corporations have ...

This type of tracking data... And you agreed to it in the terms and conditions. Why are we "ok" with them having it but not the government?

[think]

3. More like trampled on....

[mindwalker_i]

5. 4 is just 2^2

so it really means that we just need more guns.

[The Straight Story]

7. Based on the comma's in it:

They can search anything, anytime, anywhere as long as someone swears an Oath that they need it. So any government person can say an 'oath' , write it down (oops, don't need that anymore either), and search all they want.

Not to mention it says 'unreasonable' - so if we just say that searching for things will save lives then we could say it is reasonable and don't need anything that follows.

"The right of the people" - we already know from the 2nd (or so I hear) that "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed" that people does not mean people but a militia (weird that they used both terms and not militia both times. Must have been a typo on their part, certainly they were not talking about two different groups).

[mindwalker_i]

8. Those sneaky commas can just fuck everything up

I've long thought they were a growing threat to democracy

[Agschmid]

6. Kick.

[LibDemAlways]

9. Every day at every commercial airport in the country. And every time a

"cyber warrior" sits down at a computer. The 4th Amendment is dead.

[Fire Walk With Me]

10. DHS: A hunch is enough for searching your laptop

http://www.nbcnews.com/technology/dhs-hunch-enough-searching-your-laptop-6C10222988

U.S. border agents should continue to be allowed to search a traveler's laptop, cellphone or other electronic device and keep copies of any data on them based on no more than a hunch, according to an internal Homeland Security Department study. It contends limiting such searches would prevent the U.S. from detecting child pornographers or terrorists and expose the government to lawsuits.

(Note that this applies up to 100 miles inland of the border, along the entire border. More at the link.)



Spying is local too......look no further than the Los Angeles Police Department

http://www.laactivist.com/2013/06/21/bringing-the-argument-home-about-domestic-spying

Besides the SARs and iWatch programs, the LAPD also has several cameras positioned around the city that use TrapWire technology, a predictive software that can allegedly detect suspicious behavior in connection with terrorism.

Another technology employed by the LAPD is a suitcase-sized device called StingRay. It mimics a cell phone tower, tricking every cell phone in a neighborhood into connecting to it. Once connected, police can grab information from everyone’s phone in the area, not just the suspects.

StingRay was purchased with Dept. of Homeland Security Funds. It was meant for counterterrorism, but according to documents obtained by LA Weekly, in 2012, the LAPD used StingRay 21 times within four-months in burglary, drug and murder investigations.

The LAPD has said their use of StingRay is legal. However, the department remains extremely secretive about it, declining to explain how the devices are used, how much money was spent on them or whether or not the department adequately explains the power of the technology to judges when seeking search warrants.

(Much more at the link.)


For more reading:

How LAPD are made into a tentacle of the DHS

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022154200

[usGovOwesUs3Trillion]

11. I voted yes. The mass harvesting of ALL our digital communications is a clear violation of the 4th

Among other reasons, too... it breeds mistrust, threatens our 1st amendment rights, and is a massive waste of resources and $$$.