Bravo Austria !!! Thank you for grounding President Morales' plane! (UPDATED)

[Tx4obama]

Austria can let Morales fly out on a different plane.

IF Snowden is hiding on that grounded plane he'll eventually come out when he gets hungry enough or starts going nuts from being offline too long



UPDATES on the links below...

Austria did not fear Snowden was on Morales plane: minister
DU LBN OP: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014525977

And lots of updates in the COMMENTS on this DU thread too: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023155696

[think]

1. Seriously?

[sibelian]

4. pf!

Isn't it ridiculous?

[think]

12. Thank goodness for the edit function.....

[Kurovski]

67. Jury results...

TOS:

Don't be a wingnut (right-wing or extreme-fringe).

Democratic Underground is an online community for politically liberal people who understand the importance of working within the system to elect more Democrats and fewer Republicans to all levels of political office. Teabaggers, Neo-cons, Dittoheads, Paulites, Freepers, Birthers, and right-wingers in general are not welcome here.

----------------------

Cheering the bullying of Latin American leaders is right-wing crap that one would expect on Free Republic but not on DU.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Wed Jul 3, 2013, 05:49 AM, and the Jury voted 3-3 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT and said: Way to boss around all them there leaders 'o them podunkity l'il countries . Woo-Hoo!
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: Tx4obama is a long time, liberal DUer, not a wing nut, and his or her post is within the range of opinion of progressive DUers.
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT and said: Horrified to see that post. It's not something you expect from a real Democrat in character.
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT and said: Crazy imperial garbage- shouldn't be on DU.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[think]

68. In case that was to infer

That I sent this to jury you are mistaken. I prefer posts this outlandish stand on their own....

[Kurovski]

69. No, it wasn't meant to infer anything.

Merely presented in the spirit of transparency, and as close to the top of the thread as reasonably possible.

[think]

71. OK. wasn't sure. Thank you for clarifying.

[randome]

75. It's weird that some don't understand basic jury duty, even on DU.

The comments on how they voted reflect their personal opinions on the poster instead of how the post might violate DU standards.

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[think]

78. IMO the jury system is abused often on many levels

It should be used only for spam and very blatant TOS violations.

As for being on the jury; if one feels their emotions overshadow objectivity they should excuse themselves from the jury rather than act upon an emotional basis. I have had to excuse my self several times though I really just wanted to speak my mind or vote based on how I felt rather than the factual basis for the verdict to be decided upon.

I don't feel good about not completing the jury process but prefer to abstain when my objectivity is clearly questioned be it by my own subjectivity.....

[randome]

81. At least you give some thought to being objective. Kudos!

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[muriel_volestrangler]

88. The question is whether blatant nationalist chauvinism is inherently right wing

The alerter felt it was; and so did the 3 jurors who voted to hide it. Although juror #2 took tx4obama's history into account, they still said they thought this particular post was OK.

So it seems to me that all jurors understood and did their duty properly. They just disagree on whether the opinions in the OP are right wing.

[L0oniX]

121. They jury system is a joke. Used for revenge and censorship.

[Kurovski]

144. All but one actually reflects on what the OP has written here.

Only one decision is based on past character "clues". So it would more accurately read "comment" rather than "comments" in your post.

Nothing too weird about it, IMO.

[BlueStreak]

156. Much as I find the OP revolting, I would have voted to keep it

However, I wish the gentleman would explain his reasoning rather than just throw out flame bait. I would like to see how a person can reconcile that OP with what we generally understand to be traditional democratic principles.

[Romulus Quirinus]

2. International law is for nerds!

Woooo! MURICA!

[Recursion]

6. So far everybody is acting within their rights

Austria can ask for an inspection, Bolivia can tell them to go fuck themselves, and Austria can refuse to let the plane fly.

International law is still ticking away.

[Romulus Quirinus]

9. Are you sure it works like that?

pretty much an entire continent seems to disagree, but hey, they aren't Americans. What do they know?

[Recursion]

14. What do you mean?

Bolivia can't be forced into letting other countries look in their Air Force Uno. Austria can't be forced to let another country's plane into their airspace. Unstoppable force meets immovable object, and all that.

[Romulus Quirinus]

17. It's already there bro.

They couldn't just decide to shut it out and let them crash for obvious reasons, and they can't restrain them from leaving.

Something vienna something weak like that. Good thing international law is for chumps, right?

[Recursion]

18. yes, i know. but taking off would put it in Austrian airspace

And Ecuador can't force them to open their airspace.

What happens when sovereignties collide?

No, they can't keep Correa there, and they absolutely can't board without Ecuador's permission. But Ecuador also can't force Austria to let them take off.

Edit: apparently it's Morales and Bolivia, not Ecuador and Correa?

[Romulus Quirinus]

19. So you can just keep airplanes?

Really?

[Recursion]

22. "keep"? no. though I think China still had ours.

But nation A also can't force nation B to let a plane fly over, which is a problem when that plane is on the ground in nation B.

[Romulus Quirinus]

25. Really? nt

[Recursion]

26. Air traffic laws are strange

And I don't think this has ever been tested before.

[Romulus Quirinus]

28. Apparently it won't be.

BBC says he's not there, and no one else says the plane is "grounded", only that they are staying there until tomorrow.

I suspect OP jumped the gun (in more ways than one).

[Tx4obama]

40. I was only going by what the big OP on DU was saying before it got edited, on link below

This one here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023155094



Edited to add the correct link.

[tabasco]

160. Yes, really.

Russia sent one of our jets back in a box, a long time ago. Actually, several boxes.

[think]

20. FYI: It's Morales from Bolivia. Not Correa from Ecuador

[Recursion]

24. ty. fixing. (nt)

[Luminous Animal]

3. Wrong President. But you know they all look alike to us ignorant gringos.

[Tx4obama]

10. Oops. You're correct it's Morales, not Correa. I saw the other guys name in a post about Morales

and typed the wrong name.

[Scootaloo]

56. Fact-checking is for losers anyway

[polly7]

5. Holy crap.

You're actually happy to see the President of a sovereign nation insulted and treated like a suspected terrorist? Amazing ... and slightly nauseating.

[kenny blankenship]

23. And they'll tell you there is no Empire

and when you point out the, uh, let's say hyperpartisan nature of their behavior, they cry for the censor.

[polly7]

29. It's beyond pathetically stupid. imho. nt.

[HiPointDem]

39. +1

[HiPointDem]

34. +1

[L0oniX]

122. Too bad other countries didn't do that to Bush and Cheney.

[usGovOwesUs3Trillion]

7. To silence a whistleblower who told us tyranny is coming... and here it is!

Edward Snowden is a modern day Paul Revere with a thumb drive full of the news that Tyranny is coming!

[Tx4obama]

13. IMO - you should stop spamming all the threads with that image. Some folks have low bandwidth

[usGovOwesUs3Trillion]

21. my apologies about the size (i replaced it) but you should stop spamming the board with hate

[Katashi_itto]

76. And your not spamming? It's like you were paid to do this

or something

Perish the thought.

[Generic Other]

159. What an asshole

"Literally, 80% of the books I put a star on, I don't read."

He spends most of his time online rating down liberal books and movies he hasn't watched or read. Not honing his positions, understanding the issues, becoming informed. Oh so boring when all you need to do to prove your commitment is give Michael Moore's "Sicko" bad reviews online.

I'd tell the guy to get a life, but all the life I can imagine for him involves a lot of jerking off in his mom's basement.

[Katashi_itto]

164. I could see that.

Last edited Thu Jul 4, 2013, 10:33 AM - Edit history (1)

[Warpy]

16. Well, to be fair, we already knew it was happening

Snowden just came up with enough evidence to prove it is happening, embarrassing a bunch of bureaucrats because it is happening via private corporation without any public oversight, at all.

[usGovOwesUs3Trillion]

30. The first time we had documentary evidence it was happening

exactly, and that is why it is such a HUGE story.

It was amusing watching the scum sucking lackeys defend wrong-doing before this by saying it was technically impossible, legal, not done to Americans, etc. but now that we even have documentary evidence of their wrong doing they still try to dismiss it as only 'power point' slides, like the type of document used matters in anyway.

we are very fortunate Snowden was willing to sacrifice everything to provide this evidence in order for we the people to demand changes.

it reminds me of everything they do today, privatise it, not only does it remove regulatory scrutiny, as you mention, but it also puts cash in their masters pockets.

This needs to end.

[im1013]

51. +1,000,000

[Douglas Carpenter]

100. +1000 plase keep spamming

[Puzzledtraveller]

141. We know who wears the red coats now too.

[chimpymustgo]

161. Thank you for this image. And Happy 4th - Fourth Amendment.

[sibelian]

11. ...

[Cleita]

15. How awful. He's a head of state, not an American slave. n/t

[MotherPetrie]

27. Unfuckingbelievable.

[donheld]

31. Have you lost your mind?

[Rowdyboy]

32. Excellent Kabuki theater! Bravo to all the actors involved!

I see a Golden Globe at least in the future!

[Art_from_Ark]

47. Morales is being grounded

as Europe looks on

[Rowdyboy]

48. I thought the response from Equador cut the deepest....

[PoliticAverse]

33. What would happen if a country did this to Obama's plane ? n/t

[HiPointDem]

35. we'd drone them.

[Cleita]

36. We need to hope they wouldn't dare.

However, the day they do, we are in deep doodoo.

[HipChick]

37. They'd get Droned..

Next Question..

[Half-Century Man]

38. Their airspace

would magically fill with F-22 raptors

[Violet_Crumble]

50. The same people who are cheering right now would be wailing for retribution...

Because don't you know the USA is exceptional and there's a different standard applied to the US than to South American countries that have suffered under the hegemonic dominance of the US for many many decades...

[treestar]

65. Wouldn't happen

Face it, Obama is President of a far bigger country than Morales is.

[Warren Stupidity]

74. So you are ok with Bully Rules?

[treestar]

96. Why is it bullying?

Many countries will do our bidding because we trade with them and send aid. Maybe they don't want us bullied by some moron who stole classified documents. We have a lot to do with defense of other countries, too. I don't think we are universally perceived as "bully" in the way you insist.

[Warren Stupidity]

99. "Face it, Obama is President of a far bigger country than Morales is."

Your view of international law appears to be "if you are small you get pushed around, if you are big you get to do the pushing". Those are Bully Rules. I find the ethics of that to be vile.

[treestar]

103. How do you get around it then?

This is the world international stage. The "bullying" is the reality then. We have a bigger population and contribute more - so it's not very likely there are countries dumb enough to kick themselves in the foot by worrying about who is on AF One. Then again, we are not likely to have some criminal from their countries on AF One, trying to get him out of some pickle he is in across the globe.

If a poor family hides someone who harmed a member of a wealthy family, you're OK with that just because of the reverse "bullying" - that would show that rich family, right?

[Warren Stupidity]

114. 1. Stop being a bully.

2. start participating in international organizations such as the world court.
3. reject the Bush era doctrines of unilateralism.

etc.

[Demit]

108. me too.

[neverforget]

90. American exceptionallism! USA! USA!

[treestar]

97. People from other countries are stopping this flight

So they must think that, too?

[Warren Stupidity]

101. "people"?

No, governments that we have the ability to coerce to do our bidding are doing our bidding.

[treestar]

104. Government are made up of people of those countries

Or, to stick to the point, those countries must believe in American Exceptionalism too then.

[Warren Stupidity]

115. the "people" did not do this. That is just a ridiculous or exceedingly naive characterization. nt.

[sibelian]

111. Well, that's hunky dory, then!

That's for clearing that up, treestar!

[neverforget]

140. I'm not cheering this on is the difference

and I think it's wrong

[suffragette]

133. So, might makes right in your view?

I think more along the lines of Ballou:


"But now, instead of discussion and argument, brute force rises up to the rescue of discomfited error, and crushes truth and right into the dust. 'Might makes right,' and hoary folly totters on in her mad career escorted by armies and navies."

[AZ Progressive]

41. Posts like this make me believe that members of Obama's personality cult soldiers....

...have infiltrated DU. These pro-authoritarian Obama bots are so comical and notorious on DU that I don't believe they are anything else but either hard core Democratic Party members that think the party can do no wrong, or Phony Democrats / DLC Democrats. True Democrats embrace critical thinking, rather than blindly follow in lockstep with the party or party leader.

[Bonobo]

64. Godwin's Law warning:

Even those who would not have put Jews in ovens in WW2 would nevertheless have been quite content to get a nice comfy job making oven mitts.

[pnwmom]

66. Right. A progressive DUer with 30,000 posts has "infiltrated" DU. Shocking! nt

[Le Taz Hot]

110. Progressive DUer my ass!

But I see is syco-, er "defenders" are right there to pick up the slack.

[Puzzledtraveller]

143. Well, maybe progressive

as I have seen it, not to say this is "progressivism" but many here who have taken the moniker "progressive" over "liberal" seem to be quite the statists. As such I reject the progressive label and prefer liberal as I believe there is a distinction. So, let them be progressive, and let them be controlled. That's just my opinion.

[sibelian]

72. The truly ironic thing is it's fundamentally purposeless.

Did Tx think enthusiasm for this sort of behaviour would be contagious? Only the faithful will follow here.

[xiamiam]

117. there are 25 -30 members who continue with this nonsense

I've put most of them on ignore in order to have sanity. They are very vocal and probably have little else to do all day and my suspicion is that some even get paid to post here.

[L0oniX]

123. That gang has driven many members away who got sick of seeing the brown shirt bull shit.

[winter is coming]

169. Mission accomplished. n/t

[Puzzledtraveller]

142. This is the state of mind for much of the party

we saw this on the right and here it is on the left. It is by design. The powers rely on this and they cannot tolerate any dissent whatsoever.

[DearHeart]

147. Thank you! It's getting really irritating and the posts are getting more and more obnoxious!

I barely ever log in anymore; way too much blind worship and bullying going on here lately.

[Safetykitten]

149. I know! The uniforms must be spectacular.

[MisterP]

157. ke aysien

"Our Doc, who art in the National Palace for life
Hallowed be Thy name by present and future generations.
Thy will be done in Port-au-Prince as it is in the provinces.
Give us this day our new Haiti and forgive not the trespasses of those anti-patriots who daily spit upon our country"

people like this DO NOT HAVE A LINE: nothing will make them turn away or recoil

[frylock]

42. snowden derangement syndrome..

a clear cut case.

[Spider Jerusalem]

43. Yes, because...

clearly violating the absolute diplomatic inviolability of a head of state is not in any way a bad thing, right? Wars have started over less.

[Democracyinkind]

53. Imagine their reaction if this were AFO.

They'd be begging for war!!

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

44. Good Poodle!

[L0oniX]

131. LMAO

[Kurovski]

155. Poodles

""

[Comrade Grumpy]

46. The Ugly American speaks.

"The Ugly American," Burdick and Lederer (1958). You should read it.

[msongs]

49. at least you didn't publicly wish the plane had been shot down killing all aboard nt

[JimDandy]

70. Ol' Tx first dumped this post on another thread before making it an OP.

Wishing for a horrendous diplomatic incident is just sick.

This whole dirty mess sounds like it is furiously being swept under the rug...or on top, in the hopes is will just blow away.

[JDPriestly]

52. Do you have a link? Because here is what I found on Der Standard's website.

I'm going to shorten this. Interior Minister, Johanna Miki-Leitner (Volks-Partei -- conservative Christian Party) said in the Austria 1 morning journal that if Snowden had been found on board (Morales' plane), it would have come to a routine asylum procedure in Austria. . . . . . Whether it would be successful, the Minister did not want to say. She did not want to interfere in the decision of the authorities and an independent court. Basically, a request for asylum in Austria must be filed within a country and that is so also in Austria. A request on behalf of Snowden through the Russian embassy in Moscow is therefore not effective. An exception from this policy is for the Minister not an option: "There are clear legal rules."

Mikl-Leitner: Österreich hat keine Angst vor den USA

Innenministerin Johanna Mikl-Leitner (ÖVP) sagte im Ö1-Morgenjournal, dass es, hätte sich Snowden an Bord befunden, zu einem regulären Asylverfahren in Österreich gekommen wäre. Ein solches Verfahren beginne mit der Feststellung der Identität der Person und einem Erstgespräch mit der Asylbehörde. Ob ein solches Verfahren Chancen auf Erfolg hätte, wollte die Ministerin nicht kommentieren. Sie wolle Entscheidungen von Behörden und unabhängigen Gerichten nicht vorgreifen. Grundsätzlich muss ein Antrag auf Asyl in Österreich immer im Inland - also in Österreich - gestellt werden. Der Antrag von Snowden über die russische Botschaft in Moskau ist deswegen nicht gültig. Ein Abrücken von dieser Position ist für die Ministerin keine Option: "Es gibt klare gesetzliche Regelungen."

Miki-Leitner stated that Austria is not afraid of the USA as are perhaps some other European countries because Austria did not close its airspace off to Morales. The Interior Minister said further, she understands the sympathy for Snowden that a large portion of the people have since afrter all, he started an important debate about the legitimacy of the secret police (not a really good translation for Geheimdienste -- maybe intelligence agency is better, but neither is right. I am not a native speaker of German.) Miki-Leitner described the current relationship with the USA as disturbed. That is why, with Germany. a catalog of questions was prepared and given to the USA and they are pressing for answers.

Mikl-Leitner betonte, es gebe keine Angst vor den USA, wie vielleicht in anderen europäischen Ländern, denn Österreich habe schließlich seinen Luftraum für die Maschine von Morales nicht gesperrt. Die Innenministerin sagte weiter, sie verstehe die Sympathien, die Snowden von großen Teilen der Bevölkerung entgegen gebracht werden, schließlich haben er eine wichtige Debatte über die Legitimität der Geheimdienste losgetreten. Mikl-Leitner bezeichnete auch die derzeitigen Beziehungen zu den USA als gestört. Deshalb gebe es auch einen Fragenkatalog, der gemeinsam mit Deutschland erarbeitet und an die USA übergeben wurde, und auf dessen Beantwortung jetzt gedrängt werde.

http://derstandard.at/1371171373025/Morales-Flugzeug-in-Wien-zwischengelandet---Snowden-an-Bord-vermutet

This report may be pretty old by the time people read it, but it is what I found on the Der Standard Austrian newspaper at 12:52 a.m. Pacific Time, July 3, 2013.

I warned that Germans and Austrians would not like this kind of surveillance. I studied this topic at one point of my life -- German speech rights. This program is very offensive to German-speaking people because of their experience with the STASI and the NAZI spying and concentration camps for which they paid so dearly.

This kind of program will lead to misery in the US. I warned that Germany and Austria would be seriously aggrieved, and now I am telling you that it will also end badly for Americans. I won't be its victim. I will probably be totally feeble before the water that we frogs are swimming in boils.

But those of you who take this lightly and think it is great just because Obama is in charge should stop to think. What if Romney had won the election? Obama will not always be in charge. We trust him, but he will not always be in charge. Stock up on second-hand books, old ones that were written before this nonsense. Do it now so you will have something to read when the internet turns into corporate nonsense.

[Tx4obama]

54. I was going by what someone else said in the DU OP on the link below...

Here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023155094

BUT if you read all the COMMENTS on this thread - here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023155696

It looks like they've worked it all out and there was only a misunderstanding.




Edited to add...

Here's an article form EARLIER that used the word 'grounded'...
Specter of Snowden grounds Bolivian presidential plane
http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/07/02/19248688-specter-of-snowden-grounds-bolivian-presidential-plane?lite

[Scootaloo]

55. So, that's the plan, huh?

Humiliate and make accusations against the leader of a nation, send him home coach, then stare at his plane and hope Snowden falls out?

Do you have any concept of how pathetic and desperate this is starting to make you look, Tx4obama? Your plan is like a child grounded from television staring at a blank screen and imagining cartoons.



Seriously, it's been a fucking goofy week reading DU, but I think this takes the cake. What the fuck?

[Tx4obama]

57. Oh come on. The idea of picturing Snowden going thru internet withdrawl to me is pretty funny ;)

[Scootaloo]

58. The situation is fucking stupid

And I figure the same about people giving themselves high-fives over it.

[FSogol]

94. I agree. Like taking a smart phone away from a 12 year old.

[tallahasseedem]

120. It must be killing him to not be able to read...

comments from his little cult, especially after his outright laughable statement yesterday!

[Tx4obama]

59. Updates below

DU LBN OP:

Austria did not fear Snowden was on Morales plane: minister
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014525977


And lots of updates in the COMMENTS on this DU thread too: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023155696

[backwoodsbob]

60. grats

most idiotic post in the history of DU

[Tx4obama]

62. Tell that to MSNBC. I wasn't the one that told the world earlier that the plane was grounded.

Specter of Snowden grounds Bolivian presidential plane
http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/07/02/19248688-specter-of-snowden-grounds-bolivian-presidential-plane?lite

Geez, folks should get a grip.

Goodnight


Btw, there are SOME of us that are hoping that Snowden will be caught and brought to justice.
Not everyone is a Snowden fan.

[Scootaloo]

63. Nope, not all of us are "Snowden fans."

And some of us who aren't are still weirded out by the Pavlovian puddle of drool you're generating there.

[muriel_volestrangler]

73. It's your joy at the insult to a head of state that makes you look bad

Even if Austria wasn't grounding Morales, you wanted them to.

[randome]

77. To be fair, there are posts that celebrate perceived 'authoritarian' angst about Snowden.

Both are wrong. But at least this OP didn't try to work in an insult to half of DU.

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[Starry Messenger]

85. +1

[muriel_volestrangler]

87. "plus or minus one"?

You sound conflicted ...

[Starry Messenger]

89. Tiny font on the tablet!

I fixed it! Thank you.

[HardTimes99]

102. Not to mention the utter contempt for the system of diplomacy and

states' sovereignty ushered in by the Peace of Westphalia back in, oh, 1648.

The treaties resulted from the big diplomatic congress,[4][5] thereby initiating a new system of political order in central Europe, later called Westphalian sovereignty, based upon the concept of a sovereign state governed by a sovereign and establishing a prejudice in international affairs against interference in another nation's domestic business. The treaty not only signaled the end of the perennial, destructive wars that had ravaged Europe, it also represented the triumph of sovereignty over empire, of national rule over the personal writ of the Habsburgs[clarification needed]. The treaties’ regulations became integral to the constitutional law of the Holy Roman Empire, and stood as a precursor to later large international treaties and thereby the development of international law in general.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peace_of_Westphalia

[sibelian]

112. Possibly the most moronic string of text the internet has yet produced. nt.

[L0oniX]

132. +1 ...too bad there isn't a DU Wall of Shame.

[malaise]

79. Do you know anything about international law?

President Morales has common law absolute immunity, according to the 2004 Conventions and the Hague Tribunal according to their legal experts in international law.

[Pholus]

80. Wow, neocon trash talk! On DU! Pogo definitely applies here.

We have met the enemy and he is us.

[whatchamacallit]

82. So this is what passes for a liberal democrat now

???

[lunatica]

83. Shame on you

You should be embarrassed.

[idwiyo]

84. Flame-bait. Somehow I doubt you actually believe what you wrote. Shameful.

[Douglas Carpenter]

86. AMEN!! Never again will the American people have to be exposed to the secrets or our government!!

Never again will the American people have to bare the burden of learning what is being decided behind closed doors by secret administrators, secret panels and secret courts. ONLY government that government that governs in secret governs correctly! Let all those who try to open these closed doors pay a very dear price!!

[Melinda]

91. Free Republic is cheering too. Good job Tx, good job.

Yours is the hands down most shameful thing I've ever read on DU. You've official jumped the shark. Shame on you.

[RandiFan1290]

92. Throw another shrimp on the barbie, mate!

Austria fuck yeah!

[whatchamacallit]

93. It would have been even better if they'd done a cavity search on Morales

Oh well, next time.

[Vinnie From Indy]

95. I am sure there was a person just like you that said "Thank You Gavrilo Princip"

a few years back.

I am a bit stunned that an OP with such a high post count would post something like this.

[HardTimes99]

107. Well, there were probably quite a few who said, "Thank You, Gavrilo Princip" (not

least some of the more cynical in the administration of Wilhelmine Germany and the Austro-Hungarian Empire). Gots to teach them uppity Serbs a lesson, don'cha know?

Of course, all who cheered Princip soon found themselves with ashes in their mouths.

Bravo to you, though, for remembering!

[Waiting For Everyman]

98. It's pretty clear now, what diplomatic immunity amounts to -- zilch.

Even for a head of state, on diplomatic business. Wow. This was a really dumb move.

[CanonRay]

105. Morales has absolute diplomatic immunity

and so does his airplane, whatever you think of Snowden. Poster is way off base with this one.

[demmiblue]

106. This is just bizarre. n/t

[truebluegreen]

109. That went over well, tx

Maybe you need a time out.

[sibelian]

113. No rest for the clear-sighted pragmatists.

Persevere, persevere, persevere!

[truebluegreen]

118. LOL

[Le Taz Hot]

116. In the 12 years I've been on DU

I have to say that this is the most monumentally stupid post I've ever seen on DU. And that's saying a lot. Congratulations.

[xiamiam]

127. +10 million and I've been here 9 years..nt

[L0oniX]

128. +1

[eilen]

119. Does this post want to make anyone else want to shower?

gross. yucch. I think I am in the wrong place. Is this Agenda 21 or DU?

[bullwinkle428]

124. I keep searching in vain for a "this post is satire" label.

Sadly, there doesn't appear to be one.

[Iggo]

125. It's Tx4obama.

Whaddaya gonna do, right?

[L0oniX]

130. Use protection...

[L0oniX]

126. I showered and it didn't make any difference.

[uppityperson]

135. Is this aimed at the OP Tx4obama as that is who you replied to? Or the banned person who posted

right above your post?

[jollyreaper2112]

137. check the upper right corner of post

You'll see who it's aimed at. FYI, the OP, tx4.

[uppityperson]

138. Thank you for clarifying, sometimes people reply to someone they didn't mean to.

[galileoreloaded]

136. i LOVE the smell of stupid in the morning!

[stillwaiting]

139. Textbook "ugly American" thinking here. Please reconsider... nt

[Kurovski]

145. The Rude Pundit puts it all in perspective...

"Gotta say: this shit's embarrassing. Is this how the greatest superpower in the history of the whole goddamn world, as we're told again and again, is gonna act to try to catch a poindexter who handed flash drives to journalists? Snowden already gave away all that he had. Catching him ain't gonna stop a single secret from coming out anymore. It ain't worth pissing off an entire continent.

This whole thing feels so degrading, like getting a sweaty, drunken blumpkin in a festival port-a-potty. "

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023157579

[Tx4obama]

146. For the folks that might have misunderstood what my OP meant in my mind

It was NOT my intention to bash Morales or to even imply that 'he' should be detained, as I said in the OP Morales should have been allowed to fly out of Austria even if that meant leaving on a different plane.

The OP was posted due to my joy of the thought that SNOWDEN 'might' have been on the plane and there was a chance of 'Snowden' being captured.
And also due to the fact that the image of Snowden going through internet withdrawal while sitting on the tarmac was in my mind hilarious.

I understand that the majority of DU seem to be hoping that Snowden escapes US justice - I am not one of those folks.

Btw, in my opinion what I said in the OP was pretty tame compared to what many of the responses to me in this thread have been.

I am not a troll or a right-winger

Have a great holiday.

[sibelian]

148. I think you're a disgrace to this message board.

I think you're a disgrace to American politics. I think you're a disgrace to politics.

[ucrdem]

153. Nothing wrong with your OP, Tx.

Some posters here have their priorities very seriously reversed, if you follow. I'd put the more obnoxious ones on ignore because they sing the same tune every post, and always out of key.

Oh and K/R!

[Marr]

166. You know, this post is even more disgustingly invertebrate than your OP. /nt

[suffragette]

167. "Leaving on a different plane" ?

As in what? His plane impounded? Preventing him from using his own aircraft to proceed home?
All because of false assumptions likely based on faulty intel.

How patronizing.

Monroe doctrine thinking apparently never left for some.

[Cali_Democrat]

150. So Austria wasn't even trying to look for Snowden

Interesting

[Dawson Leery]

152. All heads of sovereign states have absolute immunity.

This also applies to their mode of transportation.

ALL PARTIES involved in denying him airspace are wrong and must be condemned.

[HooptieWagon]

154. Wow. What a mangling of facts to reach an erroneous conclusion.

Then again, look at the source.
Worth a kick to keep the OP foolishness on front page for all to see.

[slipslidingaway]

158. 11 recs and over 3200 views, that says something? n/t

[sibelian]

162. Any recs at all is the interesting bit.

[slipslidingaway]

168. Well that is true :( n/t

[99Forever]

163. International bullying.

Tell me again about how "different" this administration is from the last.

Cowboy diplomacy in action.

The lines get blurrier each day.

[Marr]

165. You and your compatriots sound more like Freepers every day. /nt