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With one brilliant political masterstroke, the Obama administration pulled the rug out from Republicans who were hoping to run against Obamacare in 2014.
An innocent looking blog post at the Department of the Treasury has turned the GOPs strategy for the 2014 election on its ear. Mark J. Mazur wrote, The Administration is announcing that it will provide an additional year before the ACA mandatory employer and insurer reporting requirements begin. This is designed to meet two goals. First, it will allow us to consider ways to simplify the new reporting requirements consistent with the law. Second, it will provide time to adapt health coverage and reporting systems while employers are moving toward making health coverage affordable and accessible for their employees. Within the next week, we will publish formal guidance describing this transition.
Republicans have been telegraphing since they lost the 2012 election that they intended to run against the employer mandate. John Boehner mentions Obamacare every week when he meets with the media for a reason. Republicans at both the congressional and state level cant run on their economic records. They cant run on their legislative records. Republicans were planning on making 2014 a replay of 2010 by focusing on Obamacare, but the White House kneecapped them with an announcement that nobody expected.
Republican former CBO director, Douglas Holtz-Eakin explained why this announcement was both a stunner and deviously brilliant, Democrats no longer face the immediate specter of running against the fallout from a heavy regulatory imposition on employers across the land. Explaining away the mandate was going to be a big political lift; having the White House airbrush it from the landscape is way better. It helps with ObamaCare in other ways as well. The administration was flailing to find high-profile allies (e.g., the National Football League) to advertise the wonders of ObamaCare. In a single masterstroke it has given every company a reason to explain its existence (dont worry, youll be fine in the exchanges) and created a de facto advertising campaign of enormous scale and reach. Deviously brilliant.
http://www.politicususa.com/2013/07/02/obamas-brilliant-move-deals-blow-gops-2014-hopes.html
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)DainBramaged
(39,191 posts)They can run against the healthcare mandate, they can't run against the Gay mandate, they can't run against Obama.
They are so fucked.
Hillary is too old, please Repukes, so was Senile Raygun.
The Link
(757 posts)DainBramaged
(39,191 posts)The Link
(757 posts)Fucking awesome political move.
Dustlawyer
(10,497 posts)Cheering Obama's brilliance! Why didn't the corporate asshole start touting the benefits in an ad campaign a long time ago? He never tried to sell it at all! Gov Rmoney had an ad campaign in his state that sold it to the people of his state and they loved it, still do.
Don't try to blow smoke up our asses, Obama sold us out ages ago.
GeorgeGist
(25,322 posts)Maybe you should revisit your moral compass.
bushisanidiot
(8,064 posts)here is merely postponing enforcing it, vs. the republicans trying to eliminate help for the sick and the poor all together.
yes, it is a chess game. we must win in 2014 in order for the country to move forward.
we lose, the country moves backwards.
durablend
(7,462 posts)Then we have to postpone it past 2016 or else the Republicans win.
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)because of AHCA. Feel free to bookmark this post.
lhooq
(35 posts)"merely postponing enforcing it" amounts to destroying the ACA.
The Republicans don't have to repeal the ACA. They need only prod the weak-kneed Democrats, Obama first among them, to destroy the ACA themselves. A concession here, a postponement there, and after a while not much is left.
I would be more inclined to agree with your chess game reasoning if I had confidence that Obama could and would stand up and fight when the time is right. But I no longer believe he will.
Mr Dixon
(1,185 posts)Apophis
(1,407 posts)Got it. Fuck those Americans who are uninsured. This is about winning.
Duh. Winning.
DearAbby
(12,461 posts)will qualify for the extended Medicaid. This is for EMPLOYER"S to comply with the mandate, those with a specific number of employees.
Mojorabbit
(16,020 posts)There has been plenty of time for employers to get ready for this.
Bake
(21,977 posts)Or perhaps I should say CONTINUE to fuck us over, even more. I'm sick of it.
Bake
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)And then THAT change would make it far more likely that Obama care would be repealed outright.
Not too bright.
As much as I hate to compromise, sometimes it's the right thing to do.
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)Better that this provision come just after midterms, not before.
It's just a political reality.
DainBramaged
(39,191 posts)pnwmom
(108,988 posts)Employees whose companies delay implementation of health care insurance will all have the option of choosing from several options on the exchanges, at subsidized rates. Otherwise, their only choice would be their employers' plan.
sibelian
(7,804 posts)It is actually quite clever.
LonePirate
(13,427 posts)The delay simply means the component won't be live and in practice while Republicans are campaigning against it.
DainBramaged
(39,191 posts)zeemike
(18,998 posts)That the law is not working...
And I predict that is exactly what they will say...
thesquanderer
(11,990 posts)Instead of running against something that is already in place (and perhaps then seen as not so bad), they will be running against the "unknown" of "what is coming" -- and an unknown tends to be scarier, people fear the worst.
Also, if it hasn't happened yet, they can run on a platform of "We'll stop it!" If it's already happened, I think it's harder to run on "we'll repeal it" because people tend to see things as a done deal once they are indeed done. And again, if it's already happened, it may not seem as bad.
Unless, of course, it really sucks.
So as I see it, this is really only a benefit to the administration if they expect business to revolt once they see how bad it is once actually implemented.
SylviaD
(721 posts)xtraxritical
(3,576 posts)This seems like a gift to them and not at all good for people that desperately need the coverage.
Mojorabbit
(16,020 posts)Ilsa
(61,695 posts)with our healthcare. Lovely.
The Link
(757 posts)Either it is a good idea that needs to be implemented ASAP, or its not. Seems rather cold and heartless to politicize this.
Ilsa
(61,695 posts)Stringing out the requirements gives it a bigger chance to fail.
Yes, time is needed to set up the exchanges, but the earliest provisions of ACA went into effect two freaking years ago.
chimpymustgo
(12,774 posts)pampango
(24,692 posts)It is safe to say that republicans have been 'playing politics with it' since Day 1 and show no signs letting up. We could take the high-minded approach, refuse to engage in playing politics and just leave it to the republicans. If we did, I am sure there would be people complaining that we are letting republicans demagog the health care law and not responding.
I do not know whether this delay is 'playing politics', necessary for a good reason related to how the implementation of the law is progressing or some combination of the two.
Ilsa
(61,695 posts)Healthcare, abortion, etc, all of it is political footballs. And I can be patient if this is a snag in implementing the law, and this doesn't make me an Obama-hater. But people in need should come first.
Puzzledtraveller
(5,937 posts)The media will just focus on rising premiums( if that happens) and individuals belly aching about the mandate come election time.
kentuck
(111,106 posts)Isn't it great!
Triana
(22,666 posts)...as per usual by the Teabagger Contingent ie: Republicans. See this:
On Thursday, Rep. Steve Scalise (R-La.) sent a letter to NBA and NFL league commissioners, probing them about recent talks between the organizations and the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) on a potential deal to promote enrollment into Obamacares insurance marketplaces.
I contend that the effects of this [Obamacare] train wreck will have a devastating impact on your fans and business partners across the country I would caution you against being coerced into doing [the Obama administration's] dirty work for them, wrote Scalise.
Thats just the latest in a series of GOP attacks on Obamacare promotion. Since May, congressional Republicans have been scrutinizing HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius efforts to partner with and solicit funds from private health care organizations in order to let consumers know about enrollment opportunities and benefits under the law.
THE REST:
http://www.care2.com/causes/the-gop-isnt-going-to-let-americans-learn-about-obamacare.html
WilliamPitt
(58,179 posts)is that by doing this, Obama has actually made it easier for the GOP to run against the ACA. Before this, their arguments would have required at least a modicum of detail to explain why these requirements are onerous and terrible. With this delay, however, they can downshift to Plan B, which involves only this:
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...lather rinse repeat, all the way to November 2014.
We'll see, I guess.
tridim
(45,358 posts)But Faux News bubblehead/GOP asshole/hate radio dude, I keep getting refund checks from my insurance company. My premiums are shrinking and my sick child is no longer being denied coverage. I don't get it?
"Just trust us, it's not working"
Whatever.
dembotoz
(16,812 posts)chimpymustgo
(12,774 posts)argument before the next round even starts.
UGH. The news goes from bad to worse...
Vietnameravet
(1,085 posts)was to give people a chance to experience it and know for themselves what is in it and not what some Republican says is in it.. This is not a good sign IMO
allin99
(894 posts)the begginings of it will be confusing for some, and may seem costly at first, and every single negative will be hammered by the GOP. The sky will be falling in a matter of days. Better this way. Truth be told, i'm a little nervous myself. I am a temp so I can make over 50k a year but have no insurance. This means i will pay out of pocket but won't get subsidies. I happen to know that i also won't qualify for a fine, but if you have to pay out of pocket and you never have, there are going to be some rude awakenings in year 1.
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)ACA is supposed to be the crowning achievement of his administration. It's supposed to help people (though I'm skeptical that herding people into for-profit corporate rolls under penalty of tax law is "help" .
Now they're saying if it is in effect at the time of the mid-terms it will be politically damaging? Gee! I would have hoped if it had been in effect in time for the mid-terms it would have been politically advantageous. But that's just me, apparently.
Now this law, which they won't show you, as if it is an embarrassing new girlfriend, will come into play in time for the 2016 PRESIDENTIAL election. Why worry about giving the GOP the senate because we don't trust our own signature legislation when we can wait 2 years to give them the senate AND the White House?
Meanwhile, the GOP gets another 2 years to talk it down, obstruct it, nibble at the edges so by the time it does come into effect it absolutely will be the nightmare they claim it is.
This is not smart, this is cynical political calculation at the expense of those we are supposed to be helping.
tridim
(45,358 posts)The GOP is fooked.
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)beat us up over how awesome it is!"
Nobody delays something that is "already working and saving people money" in the name of depriving an opponent of a political advantage.
BrainDrain
(244 posts)This smells an awful lot like an "oh crap, we are screwed if we don't" move than any kind of "brilliant" tactical/strategic political maneuver.
The shine is gone folks, time to accept the reality and move on to the next big party lie-spewing wannabe.
tridim
(45,358 posts)If your company decides to break the law, yes it will appear that PPACA is not working. It's the companies that are dragging their feet for political reasons, at the expense of their own employees.
My company is intimately involved in this exact issue (service-wise) and I see it with my own eyes every day. There are lots of companies owned by people who hate Obama and would risk penalties just to win a petty political point.
Honestly they sound a lot like you, just pessimistic and wrong.
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)where the business community said they couldn't effectively implement the law and that's why the administration enacted the postponement --
http://www.politico.com/story/2013/07/obamacare-provision-postponed-93677.html
So, when you write --
it kind of rings hollow. How can you blame business when the administration capitulated to business demands?
And the GOP is going to have a field day with this. They will run ad after ad saying that Obama admits his plan will hurt the economy so please vote Republican to make the delay more permanent.
tridim
(45,358 posts)They are being assholes for political purposes.
I work for a company who is dealing directly with PPACA implementation.
And despite it all, PPACA is still working for people who don't work for asshole GOP bosses.
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)ctsnowman
(1,903 posts)xtraxritical
(3,576 posts)with a Tparty, Boehner obstructionist Congress in the majority. It was a loser from the get go and that's why it's tailored for insurance companies and that's whom O is playing for.
tridim
(45,358 posts)It is tailored to save people money and provide better health care. That is EXACTLY what it's doing.. Real world, real people.
And PPACA was made law before the teabagger takeover.
WTF are you talking about?
xtraxritical
(3,576 posts)bluestate10
(10,942 posts)of the ACA. The best part is the Exchanges, IMO. The delay will allow some companies to buy insurance for employees through the exchange, improving the quality of offerings for everyone in Exchanges and the cost benefit to individuals that buy plans through the exchanges. I, for one want to see small and medium sized companies buying through Exchanges instead of having their own disparate plans for employees.
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)Legislation, by definition, must originate in the legislature.
There is only an executive decree. The exact same sort of decree any republican president could give suspending any (or all) part(s) of the ACA.
It will also be noted that employer-based revenue was supposed fund the exchanges. Rest assured, the GOP House will NOT provide an alternate revenue stream. The ads will be -- "By the President's own admission OBAMAcare is a job killer. Now it is behind schedule and wildly off budget. Only the GOP will put an end to this monstrosity."
Confessing publically -- to the taunts and cat-calls of the GOP -- that your signature legislation hurts the economy while subverting the very source of funding that your exchanges rely upon and then providing the GOP the precedent to unilaterally gut that legislation is NOT a winning strategy.
erpowers
(9,350 posts)The part that people are talking about is the employer mandate. That part has not been started. The Obama Administration, yesterday, delayed the start of the requirement that businesses with more than 50 employees provide coverage for all of their employees.
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)erpowers
(9,350 posts)Yesterday, there was a news report that stated that part of the reason for the delay was the business industry. It said that some businesses were looking into reducing the number of full time workers so they would not have to abide by the ACA rules.
And yet again, we learn not to trust the Obama Administration. The feeling of constant betrayal is getting old.
The Hope of Change is quite feeble now.
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)But that's me being subjective and idealistic.
tridim
(45,358 posts)Pathetic attack dude.
The ACA is WORKING, it's not Obama's fault that there are Republican business owners who would rather score a political point than insure their employees as the LAW states they must.
RC
(25,592 posts)Where is the public Option? Why do we not even have that available?
Why are we the only industrialized nation not to have some from of Single Payer, Universal Health Care?
What does the rest of the world know that we do not know? Apparently, quite a lot.
That is Obamacare on the left. Not much really changed from before, except more people are "covered".
On the right, what most of the rest of the world enjoys.
Yeah, it is pathetic, but who the attackers and the attackees are, are not who you seem to think they are.
Why do you want to re-debate this crap? PPACA is the LAW.
Amonester
(11,541 posts)the votes for a public option were NOT there (because private money rules).
RC
(25,592 posts)And who caved and stopped pushing for it, after a luke warm start? People have to keep pushing for what they want. Apparently Obama didn't want it.
Amonester
(11,541 posts)And to mcWor$e campaign?
And to anyone's campaign?
Maybe Obama didn't really want it because he already knew he would campaing again (in 2012)?
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)So, we are left to wonder why money would hold sway in his considerations.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)pecwae
(8,021 posts)I think this move may backfire. If it's pushed back now who says it won't be pushed back until after the '16 election. In the meantime suffering abounds except for those who play these games.
CrispyQ
(36,487 posts)My first thought was, we have elections every two years. If we can't implement this thing because of elections, we'll be kicking this can down the road forever!
Dreamer Tatum
(10,926 posts)Is how politically advantageous it is to delay its implementation.
Thanks for admitting what a train wreck ACA will be.
tridim
(45,358 posts)Unless you blame Obama for company CEO's who break the law.
abelenkpe
(9,933 posts)Is that why many of my former co-workers are unable to find affordable health care after our former company went bankrupt? Is that why several have been denied coverage for pre-existing conditions like having had minor surgery several years ago? Is that why VFX companies are hollowing out their US offices laying off US workers and opening places in Canada and England citing the high cost of health care in the US? ACA is a step up from what we had yes. And once fully implemented it may be fine. But when will we get there? You know that republicans and businesses will fight tool and nail to block, delay and obstruct ACA to the cost and detriment of workers and citizens across our nation. That is why people are disappointed by this announcement. What we needed is single payer. Every day we delay making healthcare affordable and universal in this country is another day that our citizens go without needed healthcare and our businesses use the high cost of healthcare as an excuse to offshore more good paying jobs. It costs us in lives and jobs.
tridim
(45,358 posts)I got my first refund check last week. Rates are falling as a direct result of PPACA.
We had received refunds as well.
My boss supported California One Care and has actively pushed for single payer for years. Far from being a GOP asshole. It didn't change the forces that have swept thousands of US jobs in my former industry out of the country in the past year. Nor did it change the reality many former employees and their families face today dealing with insane rates while unemployed or worse, being unable to get coverage at all. My point remains that delaying implementation hurts many who have seen their jobs leave our shores and those still needing to get coverage and that is why people are disappointed. It is a political stunt and gamble that does real world damage to those who need this law to go into effect now.
bluestate10
(10,942 posts)The ACA has helped millions of people across the country and has saved hundreds of millions for the federal government and individuals. With the Exchanges being set up in states where republicans aren't standing in the way, the power and benefits of the ACA will become even more evident. The GOP is shitting their pants. The Obama Administration made a brilliant decision to focus more energy on Exchanges now, that is where the big benefits of the ACA comes from.
Politicub
(12,165 posts)You can cry in your beer as millions of people without health insurance have access to it next year. The denying of insurance based on pre-existing conditions will be a thing of the past, among many other benefits of this law.
So stop being so self-centered and think of the people the law will help. And why don't you quit your bellyaching and get to work in your district to do what you can to turn the house blue. A dem majority in the house places us in a better position to fix the parts of the law that need adjusting.
Or you can continue complaining. The law isn't perfect since no law is perfect, so I'm sure you'll find something else that you can gripe about.
BrainDrain
(244 posts)The ACA is crap without a single payer system.
Secondly, even my family doctor, who is a dyed-in-the-wool democrat HATES the ACA with a passion for what is has already done to his practice.
No it is NOT a success, and it never will be. Just because you want to believe something wonderful will happen NEXT year, does not make it true.
I believed in the guy, I voted for him. In the end, he was no different than all the others. A waste of my time, money and vote.
Politicub
(12,165 posts)Which tells me more than rhetorical posts that say nothing.
tridim
(45,358 posts)Yea, the ACA is crap. Whatever.
You sound like an I-got-mine-so-fuck-everyone-else, jerk. At the very least you're simply ignoring the law.
BrainDrain
(244 posts)a " I-got-mine-so-fuck-everyone-else, jerk" with an excellent collage degree thats been on and off unemployed over the last 7 years because corporations treat people like interchangeable or disposable units. I have seen my insurance rates go up, up, up and no increase or improvement in the system or coverage for myself or my family. So fuck your laws.
I have seen my long term investments (read my retirement) gutted, and the value of my home drop. My wife is a teacher and I have watched a dedicated individual become more and more frustrated and angry over what is happening to our educational system and her kids by your fucking "laws".
The next time you jump to judgment, grab a parachute, cause if you don"t the rocks at the bottom are a bitch.
tridim
(45,358 posts)They will fall more as the exchanges begin opening.
Read the law. You only need to read it once.
Puzzledtraveller
(5,937 posts)BWAHAHAHA!!!!!
How much are you paid? Where do I apply?
tridim
(45,358 posts)You don't have to apply.
Puzzledtraveller
(5,937 posts)I have been employed by the state. Why is that?
tridim
(45,358 posts)You are free to write VOID on the check and not deposit it if you want to make a political statement.
Puzzledtraveller
(5,937 posts)The state defers it because they have that option as I am not indvidually insured. I am a state employee. My employee cost rose this year as it has every year since I began working. How will ACA reduce my employee contribution or at least keep it from rising?
Yo_Mama
(8,303 posts)Yeah, right.
Whatever this is, it isn't brilliance. Nor will it make the issue go away, because employers are going to be looking at 2015.
I am not impressed.
Politicub
(12,165 posts)I'm bummed that it's delayed, but it's going to take a few years for everything to start running smoothly.
And there's a lot of fixing around the edges that can make the ACA even better.
I trust the wisdom of President Obama, and I'm not so ready to throw him under the bus as some people are.
Oh, for the people taking about three dimensional chess, you sound like a douche (not you, OP!). It may have been funny, oh, three years ago, but now it just sounds petty and pathetic.
erpowers
(9,350 posts)Delaying the employer mandate does not prevent the Republicans from campaigning against the Affordable Care Act(ACA). It just gives them another way to campaign against ACA. Instead of campaigning against a program that is or is not working they can argue that the delay is proof that the program will not work.
Republicans are already campaigning against ACA after the delay was announced. House Speaker John Boehner has already stated that the delay is proof that President Obama knows the program is bad policy. Most likely most Republicans will say similar things during their campaigns.
n2doc
(47,953 posts)We just don't have the capacity, sometimes, to see it. Blinding!
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)Union Scribe
(7,099 posts)Karmadillo
(9,253 posts)then we can just keep pushing it back every two years and the GOP will never know what hit them. We rock!
durablend
(7,462 posts)People will die but we've got elections to win, DAMMIT!
abelenkpe
(9,933 posts)Karmadillo
(9,253 posts)tridim
(45,358 posts)It's the ass-fuck GOP who demanded the delays. Blame the right party.
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)The White House.
It'll be hard enough keeping them out of the Senate after this.
madville
(7,412 posts)The Democrats didn't need or get GOP votes anyway, this law was passed with no Republican support. Weak excuse for Democrats passing a crappy law which guarantees corporate profits and will eventually limit coverage while increasing costs.
TheKentuckian
(25,029 posts)It looks like Obama is just punting the blowback from this old Republican machination away from his term and I won't be surprised that in the end it just morphs into an individual mandate with a few pay to play features popular with the more affluent like being able to maintain coverage for adult children.
1-Old-Man
(2,667 posts)If you do not mind I would like to (with attribution) quote that in my signature line.
TheKentuckian
(25,029 posts)Yo_Mama
(8,303 posts)The last thing voters want to hear is that the law is that you have to have insurance but the employer doesn't have to pay for it, nor if they provide it, does it need to be affordable.
Sorry, this just doesn't go with the country's mood (which is Dem).
Are those who were ever likely at all to vote Dem next year going to be wiping sweat from their brows and saying "OMG, I'm so glad my employer isn't being faced with a fine for not providing insurance for me?" Doesn't Holtz-Eakin sound like a loon for saying that?
Also it's going to hurt, because this means one major source of funding for the exchanges is cut out of the system for another year, which is going to make the law far more costly. In a few weeks CBO will publish another projection. That's fodder for ACA opponents.
Effectively this probably also means that the individual mandate is dead (how can the IRS fine people?) for the year, so that means there won't be any source of funding?
HeroInAHalfShell
(330 posts)At the beginning of 2013, businesses started to cut peoples hours so they were not full time. Those people are not making what they were a year ago, but they will still be required to have coverage based on the individual mandate.
Well now that the Admin is pushing back the business part to 2015, will businesses just those hours back up that they cut so people can afford to pay for health care? or will they let them scrape by with lower hours?
All this does it hurt the poor, the ones who had their hours cut and still have to pay for health care!!! Now people wont benefit until 2015, even longer than they have already been waiting!!!
So let me get this straight? Its a brilliant move because it makes it harder for repukes to run against it?
so playing politics with our health care is ok for this President?
Time will tell how this plays out, for better or worse. I believe it will be worse. This will hurt the poor, the people I thought the President cared for most...
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)2014 house is turning blue and Dems keeping the Senate. And, Medicare, Medicaid (Medi-Cal) is even stronger!
Pre-Exiting will not be hampered with. But alas the naysayers once again.
Prism
(5,815 posts)Forget for the moment that you now have a situation where individuals are mandated to have insurance while their employers are not obligated to provide them with it. If anyone doesn't think that's going to create some serious blowback, they're delusional.
But now the administration is basically conceding the main Republican talking point. "The ACA is bad for businesses. It's so bad, the administration doesn't want anyone to see its effects before the 2014 election!"
They are going to ride that point all the way to a Senate majority.
Jaysus.
And it opens up another issue. If a Democratic administration can unilaterally decide not to implement this provision of the ACA without the consent of Congress, what's to stop the next Republican executive from similarly deciding, "Hey guys, just ignore the mandate. I mean, President Obama claimed that power. We can do it too!"
Stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid.
ctsnowman
(1,903 posts)Puglover
(16,380 posts)Ed Schultz is just going nutz about this. I agree with both of you. Who in the hell is calling the shots? Idiots.
Safetykitten
(5,162 posts)suffragette
(12,232 posts)Winners: the 1%
Losers: the rest of us
graham4anything
(11,464 posts)AnotherMcIntosh
(11,064 posts)suffragette
(12,232 posts)And, of course, you choose not to address the substance of the content of my post, but instead try to sidetrack my point.
I wonder why?
lhooq
(35 posts)Brilliance indeed! Hell, why not go further and indefinitely postpone the entire ACA? Or, we could all become Republicans ... If you can't beat 'em, join 'em.
Last fall, I campaigned for the President's re-election motivated by the hope that the ACA might survive, and that I might, finally, be able to afford health insurance. Well, that's not happening to me (my income is too low to qualify for subsidies, and my state is not expanding Medicaid), and now it's not going to happen to those whose employers are suddenly exempt.
Fool I was to put any faith in the President and his corporatist wing of the Democratic Party.
DainBramaged
(39,191 posts)Really.
Amazing how some people are so vocal in their dislike for the president, over one Little issue, and they've been here for so long too.......
forestpath
(3,102 posts)SoapBox
(18,791 posts)Now what lies are ya gonna run on?
Wounded Bear
(58,676 posts)Dems can run on:
Republicans voted 38 times to repeal Obamacare.
Care to make it 75?
caseymoz
(5,763 posts). . . "See, it's so bad, he's too afraid to implement it."
Simple message one propaganda-ready sentence.
You're right. Brilliant.
Skip Intro
(19,768 posts)is the employer mandate going to be something that will turn the people against Dems once implemented?
Is it a good thing that Obama is playing politics with the healthcare of Americans?
Brilliant, or desperate?
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)Might win the votes of a few homophobes in 2014.
This n-dimensional chess is fun!
mike_c
(36,281 posts)former9thward
(32,046 posts)Why is postponing a great thing going to help politically? It should be a disaster for the Rs to run against a great thing. Actually this latest move will throw everything right into the middle of the November, 2014 election campaign. Unless of course the great thing gets postponed to 2016 and then 2017 and then 2018....
HeroInAHalfShell
(330 posts)Laelth
(32,017 posts)If the ACA isn't good in 2013 it's not going to be good in 2014.
This is an admission of defeat.
-Laelth
AnotherMcIntosh
(11,064 posts)Babel_17
(5,400 posts)As was noted from the beginning, health care is connected to everything in our economy. We passed the ACA and that was supposed to be part of a massive ongoing endeavor to bring progressive change to the country.
We need to end wasteful spending and outright giveaways. We need to direct resources to where there will be a solid return and to where we have obligations as a society.
Imo, and quite frankly, spending our political capital to pass the ACA isn't going to look smart if we don't attempt to be the party that people voted for in droves in 2008. We're in a fight and we need the people to see us as their army.
We need to get behind people like Senator Warren and go after the entrenched establishment that has gotten us into this mess and which is fighting to maintain their hooks, and their percentage, in the recovery from that.
The Republicans dug their heels in and we thought we could outwait them. Too many people have paid a heavy price for that strategy. We're seen as ineffectual and they get credit from their base for standing their ground.
That's the past though and we need to fight in the here and now. We need to show by deed that we are the party of progress. We need to bring to the front those who will fight that fight. And we need to disassociate ourselves from the rhetoric and policies of accommodation.
The Republicans spend their time and energy in planning on how to undermine our policies to bring about a recovery. The President needs to get this out there to the people and honestly admit to them that without their support we are all going to crash and burn.
We can't coast till 2014 and then hope that election will propel us to a decisive victory in 2016. We're going to have to re-earn the desire of the people to want change. We need some changes in the administration, more progressive picks and more progressive rhetoric.
Let's be honest about one other thing. The ACA isn't going to do much for us with all the 20 and 30 somethings who are single and healthy. We can't pretend that they are going to come out in droves in 2014 if we don't start matching our deeds more closely with our talk.
I'll say it's way past time to let the banks and Wall Street know that the DOJ has teeth. It's past time to stop treating pot smokers as a serious menace. It's past time to end the dragging of feet on addressing the constant sexual assaults in our military and with their contractors.
D-Day was a coordinated effort, it had to be. Just achieving any one beachhead wasn't enough. The ACA is just a beachhead and our party needs to start fighting like that.
Most Republicans long ago gave away deserving to be treated with collegiality. They spat on that tradition and we need to accept that and move on.
Why isn't my mail box flooded with information on what we're losing because of the sequester? Are we afraid of hurting Republicans feelings by associating them with the real personal pain and suffering? If so then we need to think more about our leadership and our representatives. We need people who can bear up to a hard scrutiny and then fight the good fight.
I live in a district that's lucky to have any Democrat represent us. We have Tim Bishop and it was an extreme struggle for him to get reelected. But from our safe districts and states we need to put up people who are going to get in there and slug it out.
Yes, it has come to this. We actually need to make things nastier before they can get better.
Apophis
(1,407 posts)Doesn't that sound fucked up to you?
cbdo2007
(9,213 posts)Sometimes you have to give a little to take a lot.
How will those "millions of uninsured" be doing if the Repubes win in a landslide in 2014 and overturn the whole law?
Apophis
(1,407 posts)cbdo2007
(9,213 posts)they literally won't have anything to run on and the focus will be on their lack of real substance and issues.
DainBramaged
(39,191 posts)I should have given up sniffing glue today........
leeroysphitz
(10,462 posts)DainBramaged
(39,191 posts)how is that screwing over the uninsured? Am I missing something?
ChoppinBroccoli
(3,784 posts)WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)to release American families from the mandates of this law as well."
Ah, yes, John Boehner, champion of American families. This American family will support whomever fights to end that fucking individual mandate, and I couldn't care less who calls me names.
Way to go, Obama!
bowens43
(16,064 posts)Maybe in bizarreo land but not in the real world..
madville
(7,412 posts)Just curious if the law was written to give the Administration authority to modify certain aspects of the law?
markpkessinger
(8,401 posts)The delay in implementing the employer mandate will be cast as proof that the President knows it's a bad plan (not saying it is, just pointing out how Republicans will characterize it). They will say he delayed implementing the employer mandate in a cynical ploy to prevent voters from experiencing the deleterious effects of the ACA prior to the 2014 elections. I think in your zeal to declare as brilliant every move the President makes you are seriously underestimating the GOP. I don't think this is nearly the 'political masterstroke' you think it is.
Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)The Rethuglican angry mob mentality has nothing to focus on now.
President Obama has removed every pillar of objection from their arguments.
President Obama is a genius.
I think that is obvious, but perhaps some people didn't know that already.
Cha
(297,446 posts)to Repeal 37 times. but, the teeth have been knocked out of their bite.
thanks Dain.
bluestate10
(10,942 posts)Those are the same people that elected and re-elected GW Bush and gave the USA republican hell as a result of the 2010 midterms. So, to be safe, I will take the opposite side from what they think.
bobduca
(1,763 posts)to be safe I will think instead of not thinking like the centrists.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)Don't buy that for one second. That "brilliant move" just gave Teabaggers credibility in their opposition to Obamacare.
More like whistling passed the graveyard.
FFS, is there no huge fuckup partisan blindness isn't ready to pretend "is really a good thing?"