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DainBramaged

(39,191 posts)
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 08:07 AM Jul 2013

Obama’s Brilliant Move Deals A Blow To The GOP’s 2014 Hopes

With one brilliant political masterstroke, the Obama administration pulled the rug out from Republicans who were hoping to run against Obamacare in 2014.

An innocent looking blog post at the Department of the Treasury has turned the GOP’s strategy for the 2014 election on its ear. Mark J. Mazur wrote, “The Administration is announcing that it will provide an additional year before the ACA mandatory employer and insurer reporting requirements begin. This is designed to meet two goals. First, it will allow us to consider ways to simplify the new reporting requirements consistent with the law. Second, it will provide time to adapt health coverage and reporting systems while employers are moving toward making health coverage affordable and accessible for their employees. Within the next week, we will publish formal guidance describing this transition.”

Republicans have been telegraphing since they lost the 2012 election that they intended to run against the employer mandate. John Boehner mentions Obamacare every week when he meets with the media for a reason. Republicans at both the congressional and state level can’t run on their economic records. They can’t run on their legislative records. Republicans were planning on making 2014 a replay of 2010 by focusing on Obamacare, but the White House kneecapped them with an announcement that nobody expected.

Republican former CBO director, Douglas Holtz-Eakin explained why this announcement was both a stunner and deviously brilliant, “Democrats no longer face the immediate specter of running against the fallout from a heavy regulatory imposition on employers across the land. Explaining away the mandate was going to be a big political lift; having the White House airbrush it from the landscape is way better. It helps with ObamaCare in other ways as well. The administration was flailing to find high-profile allies (e.g., the National Football League) to advertise the wonders of ObamaCare. In a single masterstroke it has given every company a reason to explain its existence (“don’t worry, you’ll be fine in the exchanges”) and created a de facto advertising campaign of enormous scale and reach. Deviously brilliant.”


http://www.politicususa.com/2013/07/02/obamas-brilliant-move-deals-blow-gops-2014-hopes.html

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Obama’s Brilliant Move Deals A Blow To The GOP’s 2014 Hopes (Original Post) DainBramaged Jul 2013 OP
Thanks for posting this! I had briefly caught this, but this article you posted cleared it up for me! RKP5637 Jul 2013 #1
This is game changing DainBramaged Jul 2013 #2
Was this mandate meant to help people or hurt people? The Link Jul 2013 #3
If you have to ask that question, maybe you should revisit the law DainBramaged Jul 2013 #5
I guess a brilliant political move trumps helping those in need of it the most. The Link Jul 2013 #8
I agree! People needing RX or other care are Dustlawyer Jul 2013 #23
Screwing innocents isn't cool. GeorgeGist Jul 2013 #45
winning in 2014 is essential. republicans are trying to remove the Affordable Health Care Act. bushisanidiot Jul 2013 #57
Uh huh durablend Jul 2013 #64
2014 will be a bloodbath for the Democrats Le Taz Hot Jul 2013 #77
postponing = destroying lhooq Jul 2013 #88
Agreed Mr Dixon Jul 2013 #92
So it's only about "winning." Apophis Jul 2013 #117
Those who can't afford it DearAbby Jul 2013 #120
I believe we won't have that in Fl Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #141
Right. We need to "win" in 2014 so our own party can fuck us over too. Bake Jul 2013 #129
So, you would stick with 2014 in exchange for losing both houses of Congress to Republicans??? NYC_SKP Jul 2013 #82
That's a confession this law hurts Democrats. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2013 #100
This law hurts democrats in that it's hot fuel for Republicans in political races. NYC_SKP Jul 2013 #118
whatever DainBramaged Jul 2013 #114
No "innocents" will be screwed. pnwmom Jul 2013 #135
I buy the premise. sibelian Jul 2013 #7
A one year delay in this component does not mean Republicans cannot or will not use it as fodder LonePirate Jul 2013 #4
Of course, the glass is half empty..... DainBramaged Jul 2013 #6
In a sense it is an admission zeemike Jul 2013 #12
Right. In fact, it could be worse this way! thesquanderer Jul 2013 #18
I agree with you, I think you have the best analysis here. n/t SylviaD Jul 2013 #27
The RepublicCONS will use the delay as "proof" that ACA is unworkable. xtraxritical Jul 2013 #69
Already seeing the memes on facebook tonight. nt Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #142
Once again, someone is playing politics Ilsa Jul 2013 #9
I don't understand how its a brilliant move to fuck with people who need help the most. The Link Jul 2013 #10
I agree. I think Ilsa Jul 2013 #11
Exactly! More spin - when people's lives are at stake. These people...n/t chimpymustgo Jul 2013 #48
"Playing politics with our healthcare" did not start yesterday and not by Obama. pampango Jul 2013 #17
I realize that. Ilsa Jul 2013 #39
I do not think this will diffuse much. Puzzledtraveller Jul 2013 #13
I broke their fist with my nose... kentuck Jul 2013 #14
! bobduca Jul 2013 #53
The Administration isn't "flailing to find high-profile allies" - it's being *obstructed* Triana Jul 2013 #15
My concern WilliamPitt Jul 2013 #16
"See voters! It doesn't work!" tridim Jul 2013 #21
on target--again as usual--damn William Pitt is always on target.... dembotoz Jul 2013 #24
In a nutshell. This looks lose/lose to me. People don't get covered, and we lose the political chimpymustgo Jul 2013 #55
I thought the big advantage of implementing it soon Vietnameravet Jul 2013 #19
Not enough time for enough good experiences... allin99 Jul 2013 #42
This is some serious whistling past the graveyard. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2013 #20
How can the GOP "talk it down" when it's already working and already saving people money? tridim Jul 2013 #22
"It's working so awesome we're gonna postpone it another year so the GOP can't Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2013 #25
Exactly..... BrainDrain Jul 2013 #30
It is already working. Period. tridim Jul 2013 #33
I think you missed the part of the reporting Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2013 #38
I blame business because I see it with my own eyes. tridim Jul 2013 #54
They hold all the cards but Obama gave them the 1 ace he held. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2013 #104
Yup. ctsnowman Jul 2013 #74
If this administration was serious about ACA it would not have rolled it out xtraxritical Jul 2013 #84
This administration is 100% serious about PPACA. tridim Jul 2013 #95
What I'm talking about is it if it was not a gift to insurance companies it would not be law. xtraxritical Jul 2013 #103
You need to read the legislation. The part that is being delayed is a minimal part bluestate10 Jul 2013 #144
There is no legislation. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2013 #147
That Part is Not Already Up and Running erpowers Jul 2013 #28
In other words, business barked and the politicians jumped. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2013 #34
Seems That Way erpowers Jul 2013 #46
+100 RC Jul 2013 #26
I'm not quite there yet, nor do I care to be. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2013 #32
And now I don't trust you. Congrats. tridim Jul 2013 #35
You do realize that Obamacare is a slightly reworked version of Romneycare? RC Jul 2013 #50
Noooo, really? tridim Jul 2013 #51
Why? Because private money rules in politics while it should be banned, and Amonester Jul 2013 #61
Excuses, excuses... RC Jul 2013 #75
Private money gave how much to Obama's campaign? Amonester Jul 2013 #99
And yet Obama is unburdened by running for re-election. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2013 #106
GOP smells fear like randy buck smells the rut. Eleanors38 Jul 2013 #90
++ pecwae Jul 2013 #105
This: CrispyQ Jul 2013 #128
The hallmark of any great piece of legislation Dreamer Tatum Jul 2013 #29
The ACA is already working. It is not a "trainwreck". tridim Jul 2013 #36
It's working? abelenkpe Jul 2013 #68
Yes, unless your boss is a law breaking, GOP asshole. tridim Jul 2013 #85
Nice abelenkpe Jul 2013 #97
With every change there will be people who benefit and some that face setbacks. bluestate10 Jul 2013 #145
I think you're going to be sorely disappointed since this law is going to be successful Politicub Jul 2013 #37
Sorry, I disagree... BrainDrain Jul 2013 #47
My two doctors think the ACA is important and necessary - a PCP and a specialist Politicub Jul 2013 #49
Millions more insured, rates falling daily (with actual refund checks), free preventative care... tridim Jul 2013 #52
Yeah, thats me... BrainDrain Jul 2013 #59
Insurance rates are falling because of the new law. tridim Jul 2013 #87
rates falling daily! Puzzledtraveller Jul 2013 #86
Yes, in the real world, premium rates are falling as a direct result of the law. tridim Jul 2013 #89
So mine have went up consecutively each year Puzzledtraveller Jul 2013 #93
If your insurer profits more than the law allows, you will be getting a refund check this year. tridim Jul 2013 #96
We do not receive the refund Puzzledtraveller Jul 2013 #101
Yeah, and we're saying that a law passed in 2010 can't be started until 2015? Yo_Mama Jul 2013 #58
Another reason why we need to turn the house blue in 2014 Politicub Jul 2013 #31
Completely Disagree erpowers Jul 2013 #40
Everything Obama does is Brilliant n2doc Jul 2013 #41
The view is better at the Church of O on Sundays. L0oniX Jul 2013 #102
Obama works in mysterious ways! nt Union Scribe Jul 2013 #137
And then we can delay implementation until 2017 so as to deal a blow to the GOP's 2016 hopes. And Karmadillo Jul 2013 #43
It's totally AWESOME! durablend Jul 2013 #65
^this^ nt abelenkpe Jul 2013 #72
When we put the lives of citizens ahead of electoral victories, the terrorists win. Karmadillo Jul 2013 #91
Uhm, the Democrats wanted the ACA implimented immediately. tridim Jul 2013 #98
Now if only we could get those Republicans out of the House. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2013 #109
Uhm, the Republicans had nothing to do with it madville Jul 2013 #131
Cynical cowering is not brilliance TheKentuckian Jul 2013 #44
I do not think I've ever seen 5 words used so well. 1-Old-Man Jul 2013 #60
You're more than welcome to it TheKentuckian Jul 2013 #146
This is not going to help us at the polls Yo_Mama Jul 2013 #56
This is not a brilliant move. HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #62
Good move! Iliyah Jul 2013 #63
This is one of the most wildly stupid things I've seen yet out of this administration Prism Jul 2013 #66
All great points. ctsnowman Jul 2013 #83
Agreed Prism. Puglover Jul 2013 #123
You are correct sir! Safetykitten Jul 2013 #130
This reminds me of Obama extending Bush tax cuts in 2010 then running against extending them again suffragette Jul 2013 #67
Every day Barack Obama is in office, I myself am a winner. The best after LBJ of all time. nt graham4anything Jul 2013 #80
Too funny. n/t AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #107
Out of all the posts on this thread, you respond to mine. suffragette Jul 2013 #112
Obama to Supporters: Nope! lhooq Jul 2013 #70
"Fool I was to put any faith in the President and his corporatist wing of the Democratic Party" DainBramaged Jul 2013 #133
This must be satire. forestpath Jul 2013 #71
Take that TeaPukers! SoapBox Jul 2013 #73
Regardless of this move.... Wounded Bear Jul 2013 #76
All Repubs need to say is caseymoz Jul 2013 #78
Now why would delaying that bit of the law be a good thing for Dems? Skip Intro Jul 2013 #79
He should try to push back the legalization of gay marriage to 2015, too. Nye Bevan Jul 2013 #81
killing the sick and the poor to grease politics is "brilliant?" mike_c Jul 2013 #94
I thought the ACA was supposed to be a great thing. former9thward Jul 2013 #108
My thoughts exactly! HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #111
What a load of spin. Laelth Jul 2013 #110
Rec AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #115
The Affordable Care Act is a bridgehead, it's like D-Day Babel_17 Jul 2013 #113
So he's screwing over millions of uninsured with a brilliant political move? Apophis Jul 2013 #116
Politics is a chess game. cbdo2007 Jul 2013 #119
Millions of uninsured should never be pawns in a political chess game. Apophis Jul 2013 #125
Brilliant.....when it is revisited in 2016, with President Obama completely out of the picture... cbdo2007 Jul 2013 #121
It's sad that no matter what the President tries, a majority here now pull out the tar and feathers DainBramaged Jul 2013 #122
That's one way to look at it... n/t leeroysphitz Jul 2013 #124
an additional year before the ACA mandatory employer and insurer reporting requirements begin DainBramaged Jul 2013 #126
Want To Know The RW Response? It's Already Been Puked Down From Above ChoppinBroccoli Jul 2013 #127
"I hope the administration recognizes the need... WorseBeforeBetter Jul 2013 #139
Wow so caving yet again is brilliant? bowens43 Jul 2013 #132
Does the Administration have the authority to delay these milestones madville Jul 2013 #134
This won't in any way prevent the GOP from running against 'Obmacare' markpkessinger Jul 2013 #136
President Obama removes every obstacle that the GOP can find to rally around. Major Hogwash Jul 2013 #138
You know they'll still run against Obamacare that they've tried Cha Jul 2013 #140
Of course the "progressive" experts here on DU think differently. But, bluestate10 Jul 2013 #143
well lookie a "centrist" likes this capitulation! bobduca Jul 2013 #148
Brilliant move? 99Forever Jul 2013 #149

DainBramaged

(39,191 posts)
2. This is game changing
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 08:14 AM
Jul 2013

They can run against the healthcare mandate, they can't run against the Gay mandate, they can't run against Obama.



They are so fucked.



Hillary is too old, please Repukes, so was Senile Raygun.

 

The Link

(757 posts)
8. I guess a brilliant political move trumps helping those in need of it the most.
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 08:21 AM
Jul 2013


Fucking awesome political move.

Dustlawyer

(10,497 posts)
23. I agree! People needing RX or other care are
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 09:27 AM
Jul 2013

Cheering Obama's brilliance! Why didn't the corporate asshole start touting the benefits in an ad campaign a long time ago? He never tried to sell it at all! Gov Rmoney had an ad campaign in his state that sold it to the people of his state and they loved it, still do.
Don't try to blow smoke up our asses, Obama sold us out ages ago.

bushisanidiot

(8,064 posts)
57. winning in 2014 is essential. republicans are trying to remove the Affordable Health Care Act.
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 10:36 AM
Jul 2013

here is merely postponing enforcing it, vs. the republicans trying to eliminate help for the sick and the poor all together.

yes, it is a chess game. we must win in 2014 in order for the country to move forward.
we lose, the country moves backwards.

lhooq

(35 posts)
88. postponing = destroying
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 11:15 AM
Jul 2013

"merely postponing enforcing it" amounts to destroying the ACA.

The Republicans don't have to repeal the ACA. They need only prod the weak-kneed Democrats, Obama first among them, to destroy the ACA themselves. A concession here, a postponement there, and after a while not much is left.

I would be more inclined to agree with your chess game reasoning if I had confidence that Obama could and would stand up and fight when the time is right. But I no longer believe he will.

 

Apophis

(1,407 posts)
117. So it's only about "winning."
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 12:31 PM
Jul 2013

Got it. Fuck those Americans who are uninsured. This is about winning.

Duh. Winning.

DearAbby

(12,461 posts)
120. Those who can't afford it
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 01:14 PM
Jul 2013

will qualify for the extended Medicaid. This is for EMPLOYER"S to comply with the mandate, those with a specific number of employees.

Mojorabbit

(16,020 posts)
141. I believe we won't have that in Fl
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 11:54 PM
Jul 2013

There has been plenty of time for employers to get ready for this.

Bake

(21,977 posts)
129. Right. We need to "win" in 2014 so our own party can fuck us over too.
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 02:34 PM
Jul 2013

Or perhaps I should say CONTINUE to fuck us over, even more. I'm sick of it.

Bake

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
82. So, you would stick with 2014 in exchange for losing both houses of Congress to Republicans???
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 11:11 AM
Jul 2013

And then THAT change would make it far more likely that Obama care would be repealed outright.

Not too bright.

As much as I hate to compromise, sometimes it's the right thing to do.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
118. This law hurts democrats in that it's hot fuel for Republicans in political races.
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 01:07 PM
Jul 2013

Better that this provision come just after midterms, not before.

It's just a political reality.

pnwmom

(108,988 posts)
135. No "innocents" will be screwed.
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 03:20 PM
Jul 2013

Employees whose companies delay implementation of health care insurance will all have the option of choosing from several options on the exchanges, at subsidized rates. Otherwise, their only choice would be their employers' plan.

LonePirate

(13,427 posts)
4. A one year delay in this component does not mean Republicans cannot or will not use it as fodder
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 08:19 AM
Jul 2013

The delay simply means the component won't be live and in practice while Republicans are campaigning against it.

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
12. In a sense it is an admission
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 08:36 AM
Jul 2013

That the law is not working...
And I predict that is exactly what they will say...

thesquanderer

(11,990 posts)
18. Right. In fact, it could be worse this way!
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 08:52 AM
Jul 2013

Instead of running against something that is already in place (and perhaps then seen as not so bad), they will be running against the "unknown" of "what is coming" -- and an unknown tends to be scarier, people fear the worst.

Also, if it hasn't happened yet, they can run on a platform of "We'll stop it!" If it's already happened, I think it's harder to run on "we'll repeal it" because people tend to see things as a done deal once they are indeed done. And again, if it's already happened, it may not seem as bad.

Unless, of course, it really sucks.

So as I see it, this is really only a benefit to the administration if they expect business to revolt once they see how bad it is once actually implemented.

 

xtraxritical

(3,576 posts)
69. The RepublicCONS will use the delay as "proof" that ACA is unworkable.
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 11:02 AM
Jul 2013

This seems like a gift to them and not at all good for people that desperately need the coverage.

 

The Link

(757 posts)
10. I don't understand how its a brilliant move to fuck with people who need help the most.
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 08:28 AM
Jul 2013

Either it is a good idea that needs to be implemented ASAP, or its not. Seems rather cold and heartless to politicize this.

Ilsa

(61,695 posts)
11. I agree. I think
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 08:33 AM
Jul 2013

Stringing out the requirements gives it a bigger chance to fail.

Yes, time is needed to set up the exchanges, but the earliest provisions of ACA went into effect two freaking years ago.

pampango

(24,692 posts)
17. "Playing politics with our healthcare" did not start yesterday and not by Obama.
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 08:49 AM
Jul 2013

It is safe to say that republicans have been 'playing politics with it' since Day 1 and show no signs letting up. We could take the high-minded approach, refuse to engage in playing politics and just leave it to the republicans. If we did, I am sure there would be people complaining that we are letting republicans demagog the health care law and not responding.

I do not know whether this delay is 'playing politics', necessary for a good reason related to how the implementation of the law is progressing or some combination of the two.

Ilsa

(61,695 posts)
39. I realize that.
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 10:02 AM
Jul 2013

Healthcare, abortion, etc, all of it is political footballs. And I can be patient if this is a snag in implementing the law, and this doesn't make me an Obama-hater. But people in need should come first.

Puzzledtraveller

(5,937 posts)
13. I do not think this will diffuse much.
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 08:39 AM
Jul 2013

The media will just focus on rising premiums( if that happens) and individuals belly aching about the mandate come election time.

 

Triana

(22,666 posts)
15. The Administration isn't "flailing to find high-profile allies" - it's being *obstructed*
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 08:45 AM
Jul 2013

...as per usual by the Teabagger Contingent ie: Republicans. See this:

What if a health care law could benefit millions of Americans — but no one knew about it? Recent Republican efforts to derail Obamacare’s educational outreach — despite abundant evidence that Americans don’t know enough about the law to take advantage of it — may have that very effect.

On Thursday, Rep. Steve Scalise (R-La.) sent a letter to NBA and NFL league commissioners, probing them about recent talks between the organizations and the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) on a potential deal to promote enrollment into Obamacare’s insurance marketplaces.

“I contend that the effects of this [Obamacare] train wreck will have a devastating impact on your fans and business partners across the country… I would caution you against being coerced into doing [the Obama administration's] dirty work for them,” wrote Scalise.

That’s just the latest in a series of GOP attacks on Obamacare promotion. Since May, congressional Republicans have been scrutinizing HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius’ efforts to partner with — and solicit funds from — private health care organizations in order to let consumers know about enrollment opportunities and benefits under the law.


THE REST:

http://www.care2.com/causes/the-gop-isnt-going-to-let-americans-learn-about-obamacare.html
 

WilliamPitt

(58,179 posts)
16. My concern
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 08:47 AM
Jul 2013

is that by doing this, Obama has actually made it easier for the GOP to run against the ACA. Before this, their arguments would have required at least a modicum of detail to explain why these requirements are onerous and terrible. With this delay, however, they can downshift to Plan B, which involves only this:

"See! It doesn't work! See! It doesn't work! See! It doesn't work! See! It doesn't work! See! It doesn't work! See! It doesn't work! See! It doesn't work! See! It doesn't work! See! It doesn't work! See! It doesn't work! See! It doesn't work! See! It doesn't work! See! It doesn't work! See! It doesn't work! See! It doesn't work! See! It doesn't work! See! It doesn't work! See! It doesn't work! See! It doesn't work! See! It doesn't work! See! It doesn't work! See! It doesn't work! See! It doesn't work! See! It doesn't work! See! It doesn't work! See! It doesn't work! See! It doesn't work! See! It doesn't work! See! It doesn't work! See! It doesn't work! See! It doesn't work! See! It doesn't work! See! It doesn't work! See! It doesn't work! See! It doesn't work! See! It doesn't work! See! It doesn't work! See! It doesn't work! See! It doesn't work! See! It doesn't work! See! It doesn't work! See! It doesn't work! See! It doesn't work! See! It doesn't work! See! It doesn't work! See! It doesn't work! See! It doesn't work! See! It doesn't work! See! It doesn't work! See! It doesn't work! See! It doesn't work! See! It doesn't work! See! It doesn't work! See! It doesn't work! See! It doesn't work! See! It doesn't work! See! It doesn't work! See! It doesn't work! See! It doesn't work! See! It doesn't work! See! It doesn't work! See! It doesn't work! See! It doesn't work! See! It doesn't work! See! It doesn't work! See! It doesn't work! See! It doesn't work! See! It doesn't work! See! It doesn't work! See! It doesn't work! See! It doesn't work! See! It doesn't work! See! It doesn't work! See! It doesn't work! See! It doesn't work! See! It doesn't work! See! It doesn't work! See! It doesn't work! See! It doesn't work! See! It doesn't work! See! It doesn't work! See! It doesn't work! See! It doesn't work! See! It doesn't work! See! It doesn't work! See! It doesn't work! See! It doesn't work! See! It doesn't work! See! It doesn't work! See! It doesn't work! See! It doesn't work! See! It doesn't work! See! It doesn't work! See! It doesn't work! See! It doesn't work! See! It doesn't work! See! It doesn't work! See! It doesn't work! See! It doesn't work! See! It doesn't work! See! It doesn't work! See! It doesn't work! See! It doesn't work! See! It doesn't work! See! It doesn't work! See! It doesn't work! See! It doesn't work! See! It doesn't work! See! It doesn't work! See! It doesn't work! See! It doesn't work! See! It doesn't work! See! It doesn't work! See! It doesn't work!"

...lather rinse repeat, all the way to November 2014.

We'll see, I guess.

tridim

(45,358 posts)
21. "See voters! It doesn't work!"
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 09:24 AM
Jul 2013

But Faux News bubblehead/GOP asshole/hate radio dude, I keep getting refund checks from my insurance company. My premiums are shrinking and my sick child is no longer being denied coverage. I don't get it?

"Just trust us, it's not working"

Whatever.

chimpymustgo

(12,774 posts)
55. In a nutshell. This looks lose/lose to me. People don't get covered, and we lose the political
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 10:33 AM
Jul 2013

argument before the next round even starts.

UGH. The news goes from bad to worse...

 

Vietnameravet

(1,085 posts)
19. I thought the big advantage of implementing it soon
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 08:53 AM
Jul 2013

was to give people a chance to experience it and know for themselves what is in it and not what some Republican says is in it.. This is not a good sign IMO

allin99

(894 posts)
42. Not enough time for enough good experiences...
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 10:05 AM
Jul 2013

the begginings of it will be confusing for some, and may seem costly at first, and every single negative will be hammered by the GOP. The sky will be falling in a matter of days. Better this way. Truth be told, i'm a little nervous myself. I am a temp so I can make over 50k a year but have no insurance. This means i will pay out of pocket but won't get subsidies. I happen to know that i also won't qualify for a fine, but if you have to pay out of pocket and you never have, there are going to be some rude awakenings in year 1.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
20. This is some serious whistling past the graveyard.
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 09:08 AM
Jul 2013

ACA is supposed to be the crowning achievement of his administration. It's supposed to help people (though I'm skeptical that herding people into for-profit corporate rolls under penalty of tax law is "help&quot .

Now they're saying if it is in effect at the time of the mid-terms it will be politically damaging? Gee! I would have hoped if it had been in effect in time for the mid-terms it would have been politically advantageous. But that's just me, apparently.

Now this law, which they won't show you, as if it is an embarrassing new girlfriend, will come into play in time for the 2016 PRESIDENTIAL election. Why worry about giving the GOP the senate because we don't trust our own signature legislation when we can wait 2 years to give them the senate AND the White House?

Meanwhile, the GOP gets another 2 years to talk it down, obstruct it, nibble at the edges so by the time it does come into effect it absolutely will be the nightmare they claim it is.

This is not smart, this is cynical political calculation at the expense of those we are supposed to be helping.

tridim

(45,358 posts)
22. How can the GOP "talk it down" when it's already working and already saving people money?
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 09:27 AM
Jul 2013

The GOP is fooked.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
25. "It's working so awesome we're gonna postpone it another year so the GOP can't
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 09:35 AM
Jul 2013

beat us up over how awesome it is!"

Nobody delays something that is "already working and saving people money" in the name of depriving an opponent of a political advantage.

 

BrainDrain

(244 posts)
30. Exactly.....
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 09:50 AM
Jul 2013

This smells an awful lot like an "oh crap, we are screwed if we don't" move than any kind of "brilliant" tactical/strategic political maneuver.

The shine is gone folks, time to accept the reality and move on to the next big party lie-spewing wannabe.

tridim

(45,358 posts)
33. It is already working. Period.
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 09:52 AM
Jul 2013

If your company decides to break the law, yes it will appear that PPACA is not working. It's the companies that are dragging their feet for political reasons, at the expense of their own employees.

My company is intimately involved in this exact issue (service-wise) and I see it with my own eyes every day. There are lots of companies owned by people who hate Obama and would risk penalties just to win a petty political point.

Honestly they sound a lot like you, just pessimistic and wrong.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
38. I think you missed the part of the reporting
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 10:02 AM
Jul 2013

where the business community said they couldn't effectively implement the law and that's why the administration enacted the postponement --

The Obama administration is postponing the federal health care law’s insurance mandate for employers next year, in a major concession to the business community and lawmakers who have become increasingly vocal about the law’s potential to damage a slowly recovering economy.

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/07/obamacare-provision-postponed-93677.html


So, when you write --

If your company decides to break the law, yes it will appear that PPACA is not working. It's the companies that are dragging their feet for political reasons, at the expense of their own employees.


it kind of rings hollow. How can you blame business when the administration capitulated to business demands?

And the GOP is going to have a field day with this. They will run ad after ad saying that Obama admits his plan will hurt the economy so please vote Republican to make the delay more permanent.

tridim

(45,358 posts)
54. I blame business because I see it with my own eyes.
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 10:32 AM
Jul 2013

They are being assholes for political purposes.

I work for a company who is dealing directly with PPACA implementation.

And despite it all, PPACA is still working for people who don't work for asshole GOP bosses.

 

xtraxritical

(3,576 posts)
84. If this administration was serious about ACA it would not have rolled it out
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 11:11 AM
Jul 2013

with a Tparty, Boehner obstructionist Congress in the majority. It was a loser from the get go and that's why it's tailored for insurance companies and that's whom O is playing for.

tridim

(45,358 posts)
95. This administration is 100% serious about PPACA.
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 11:25 AM
Jul 2013

It is tailored to save people money and provide better health care. That is EXACTLY what it's doing.. Real world, real people.

And PPACA was made law before the teabagger takeover.

WTF are you talking about?

bluestate10

(10,942 posts)
144. You need to read the legislation. The part that is being delayed is a minimal part
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 01:44 AM
Jul 2013

of the ACA. The best part is the Exchanges, IMO. The delay will allow some companies to buy insurance for employees through the exchange, improving the quality of offerings for everyone in Exchanges and the cost benefit to individuals that buy plans through the exchanges. I, for one want to see small and medium sized companies buying through Exchanges instead of having their own disparate plans for employees.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
147. There is no legislation.
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 10:14 AM
Jul 2013

Legislation, by definition, must originate in the legislature.

There is only an executive decree. The exact same sort of decree any republican president could give suspending any (or all) part(s) of the ACA.

It will also be noted that employer-based revenue was supposed fund the exchanges. Rest assured, the GOP House will NOT provide an alternate revenue stream. The ads will be -- "By the President's own admission OBAMAcare is a job killer. Now it is behind schedule and wildly off budget. Only the GOP will put an end to this monstrosity."

Confessing publically -- to the taunts and cat-calls of the GOP -- that your signature legislation hurts the economy while subverting the very source of funding that your exchanges rely upon and then providing the GOP the precedent to unilaterally gut that legislation is NOT a winning strategy.

erpowers

(9,350 posts)
28. That Part is Not Already Up and Running
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 09:46 AM
Jul 2013

The part that people are talking about is the employer mandate. That part has not been started. The Obama Administration, yesterday, delayed the start of the requirement that businesses with more than 50 employees provide coverage for all of their employees.

erpowers

(9,350 posts)
46. Seems That Way
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 10:10 AM
Jul 2013

Yesterday, there was a news report that stated that part of the reason for the delay was the business industry. It said that some businesses were looking into reducing the number of full time workers so they would not have to abide by the ACA rules.

 

RC

(25,592 posts)
26. +100
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 09:37 AM
Jul 2013

And yet again, we learn not to trust the Obama Administration. The feeling of constant betrayal is getting old.
The Hope of Change is quite feeble now.

tridim

(45,358 posts)
35. And now I don't trust you. Congrats.
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 09:55 AM
Jul 2013

Pathetic attack dude.

The ACA is WORKING, it's not Obama's fault that there are Republican business owners who would rather score a political point than insure their employees as the LAW states they must.

 

RC

(25,592 posts)
50. You do realize that Obamacare is a slightly reworked version of Romneycare?
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 10:21 AM
Jul 2013
And that Romneycare was birthed in the Republican think tank, Heritage Foundation?
Where is the public Option? Why do we not even have that available?
Why are we the only industrialized nation not to have some from of Single Payer, Universal Health Care?
What does the rest of the world know that we do not know? Apparently, quite a lot.


That is Obamacare on the left. Not much really changed from before, except more people are "covered".
On the right, what most of the rest of the world enjoys.

Yeah, it is pathetic, but who the attackers and the attackees are, are not who you seem to think they are.

Amonester

(11,541 posts)
61. Why? Because private money rules in politics while it should be banned, and
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 10:46 AM
Jul 2013

the votes for a public option were NOT there (because private money rules).

 

RC

(25,592 posts)
75. Excuses, excuses...
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 11:05 AM
Jul 2013

And who caved and stopped pushing for it, after a luke warm start? People have to keep pushing for what they want. Apparently Obama didn't want it.

Amonester

(11,541 posts)
99. Private money gave how much to Obama's campaign?
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 11:31 AM
Jul 2013

And to mcWor$e campaign?

And to anyone's campaign?

Maybe Obama didn't really want it because he already knew he would campaing again (in 2012)?

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
106. And yet Obama is unburdened by running for re-election.
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 11:42 AM
Jul 2013

So, we are left to wonder why money would hold sway in his considerations.

pecwae

(8,021 posts)
105. ++
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 11:40 AM
Jul 2013

I think this move may backfire. If it's pushed back now who says it won't be pushed back until after the '16 election. In the meantime suffering abounds except for those who play these games.

CrispyQ

(36,487 posts)
128. This:
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 02:28 PM
Jul 2013
Why worry about giving the GOP the senate because we don't trust our own signature legislation when we can wait 2 years to give them the senate AND the White House?

My first thought was, we have elections every two years. If we can't implement this thing because of elections, we'll be kicking this can down the road forever!

Dreamer Tatum

(10,926 posts)
29. The hallmark of any great piece of legislation
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 09:47 AM
Jul 2013

Is how politically advantageous it is to delay its implementation.

Thanks for admitting what a train wreck ACA will be.

tridim

(45,358 posts)
36. The ACA is already working. It is not a "trainwreck".
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 09:56 AM
Jul 2013

Unless you blame Obama for company CEO's who break the law.

abelenkpe

(9,933 posts)
68. It's working?
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 11:02 AM
Jul 2013

Is that why many of my former co-workers are unable to find affordable health care after our former company went bankrupt? Is that why several have been denied coverage for pre-existing conditions like having had minor surgery several years ago? Is that why VFX companies are hollowing out their US offices laying off US workers and opening places in Canada and England citing the high cost of health care in the US? ACA is a step up from what we had yes. And once fully implemented it may be fine. But when will we get there? You know that republicans and businesses will fight tool and nail to block, delay and obstruct ACA to the cost and detriment of workers and citizens across our nation. That is why people are disappointed by this announcement. What we needed is single payer. Every day we delay making healthcare affordable and universal in this country is another day that our citizens go without needed healthcare and our businesses use the high cost of healthcare as an excuse to offshore more good paying jobs. It costs us in lives and jobs.

tridim

(45,358 posts)
85. Yes, unless your boss is a law breaking, GOP asshole.
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 11:12 AM
Jul 2013

I got my first refund check last week. Rates are falling as a direct result of PPACA.

abelenkpe

(9,933 posts)
97. Nice
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 11:29 AM
Jul 2013

We had received refunds as well.

My boss supported California One Care and has actively pushed for single payer for years. Far from being a GOP asshole. It didn't change the forces that have swept thousands of US jobs in my former industry out of the country in the past year. Nor did it change the reality many former employees and their families face today dealing with insane rates while unemployed or worse, being unable to get coverage at all. My point remains that delaying implementation hurts many who have seen their jobs leave our shores and those still needing to get coverage and that is why people are disappointed. It is a political stunt and gamble that does real world damage to those who need this law to go into effect now.

bluestate10

(10,942 posts)
145. With every change there will be people who benefit and some that face setbacks.
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 01:57 AM
Jul 2013

The ACA has helped millions of people across the country and has saved hundreds of millions for the federal government and individuals. With the Exchanges being set up in states where republicans aren't standing in the way, the power and benefits of the ACA will become even more evident. The GOP is shitting their pants. The Obama Administration made a brilliant decision to focus more energy on Exchanges now, that is where the big benefits of the ACA comes from.

Politicub

(12,165 posts)
37. I think you're going to be sorely disappointed since this law is going to be successful
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 09:57 AM
Jul 2013

You can cry in your beer as millions of people without health insurance have access to it next year. The denying of insurance based on pre-existing conditions will be a thing of the past, among many other benefits of this law.

So stop being so self-centered and think of the people the law will help. And why don't you quit your bellyaching and get to work in your district to do what you can to turn the house blue. A dem majority in the house places us in a better position to fix the parts of the law that need adjusting.

Or you can continue complaining. The law isn't perfect since no law is perfect, so I'm sure you'll find something else that you can gripe about.

 

BrainDrain

(244 posts)
47. Sorry, I disagree...
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 10:15 AM
Jul 2013

The ACA is crap without a single payer system.

Secondly, even my family doctor, who is a dyed-in-the-wool democrat HATES the ACA with a passion for what is has already done to his practice.

No it is NOT a success, and it never will be. Just because you want to believe something wonderful will happen NEXT year, does not make it true.

I believed in the guy, I voted for him. In the end, he was no different than all the others. A waste of my time, money and vote.

Politicub

(12,165 posts)
49. My two doctors think the ACA is important and necessary - a PCP and a specialist
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 10:17 AM
Jul 2013

Which tells me more than rhetorical posts that say nothing.

tridim

(45,358 posts)
52. Millions more insured, rates falling daily (with actual refund checks), free preventative care...
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 10:30 AM
Jul 2013

Yea, the ACA is crap. Whatever.

You sound like an I-got-mine-so-fuck-everyone-else, jerk. At the very least you're simply ignoring the law.

 

BrainDrain

(244 posts)
59. Yeah, thats me...
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 10:43 AM
Jul 2013

a " I-got-mine-so-fuck-everyone-else, jerk" with an excellent collage degree thats been on and off unemployed over the last 7 years because corporations treat people like interchangeable or disposable units. I have seen my insurance rates go up, up, up and no increase or improvement in the system or coverage for myself or my family. So fuck your laws.

I have seen my long term investments (read my retirement) gutted, and the value of my home drop. My wife is a teacher and I have watched a dedicated individual become more and more frustrated and angry over what is happening to our educational system and her kids by your fucking "laws".

The next time you jump to judgment, grab a parachute, cause if you don"t the rocks at the bottom are a bitch.

tridim

(45,358 posts)
87. Insurance rates are falling because of the new law.
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 11:14 AM
Jul 2013

They will fall more as the exchanges begin opening.

Read the law. You only need to read it once.

tridim

(45,358 posts)
89. Yes, in the real world, premium rates are falling as a direct result of the law.
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 11:16 AM
Jul 2013

You don't have to apply.

tridim

(45,358 posts)
96. If your insurer profits more than the law allows, you will be getting a refund check this year.
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 11:28 AM
Jul 2013

You are free to write VOID on the check and not deposit it if you want to make a political statement.

Puzzledtraveller

(5,937 posts)
101. We do not receive the refund
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 11:34 AM
Jul 2013

The state defers it because they have that option as I am not indvidually insured. I am a state employee. My employee cost rose this year as it has every year since I began working. How will ACA reduce my employee contribution or at least keep it from rising?

Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
58. Yeah, and we're saying that a law passed in 2010 can't be started until 2015?
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 10:36 AM
Jul 2013

Yeah, right.

Whatever this is, it isn't brilliance. Nor will it make the issue go away, because employers are going to be looking at 2015.

I am not impressed.

Politicub

(12,165 posts)
31. Another reason why we need to turn the house blue in 2014
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 09:50 AM
Jul 2013

I'm bummed that it's delayed, but it's going to take a few years for everything to start running smoothly.

And there's a lot of fixing around the edges that can make the ACA even better.

I trust the wisdom of President Obama, and I'm not so ready to throw him under the bus as some people are.

Oh, for the people taking about three dimensional chess, you sound like a douche (not you, OP!). It may have been funny, oh, three years ago, but now it just sounds petty and pathetic.

erpowers

(9,350 posts)
40. Completely Disagree
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 10:03 AM
Jul 2013

Delaying the employer mandate does not prevent the Republicans from campaigning against the Affordable Care Act(ACA). It just gives them another way to campaign against ACA. Instead of campaigning against a program that is or is not working they can argue that the delay is proof that the program will not work.

Republicans are already campaigning against ACA after the delay was announced. House Speaker John Boehner has already stated that the delay is proof that President Obama knows the program is bad policy. Most likely most Republicans will say similar things during their campaigns.

Karmadillo

(9,253 posts)
43. And then we can delay implementation until 2017 so as to deal a blow to the GOP's 2016 hopes. And
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 10:06 AM
Jul 2013

then we can just keep pushing it back every two years and the GOP will never know what hit them. We rock!

tridim

(45,358 posts)
98. Uhm, the Democrats wanted the ACA implimented immediately.
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 11:31 AM
Jul 2013

It's the ass-fuck GOP who demanded the delays. Blame the right party.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
109. Now if only we could get those Republicans out of the House.
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 11:50 AM
Jul 2013

The White House.

It'll be hard enough keeping them out of the Senate after this.

madville

(7,412 posts)
131. Uhm, the Republicans had nothing to do with it
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 02:45 PM
Jul 2013

The Democrats didn't need or get GOP votes anyway, this law was passed with no Republican support. Weak excuse for Democrats passing a crappy law which guarantees corporate profits and will eventually limit coverage while increasing costs.

TheKentuckian

(25,029 posts)
44. Cynical cowering is not brilliance
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 10:08 AM
Jul 2013

It looks like Obama is just punting the blowback from this old Republican machination away from his term and I won't be surprised that in the end it just morphs into an individual mandate with a few pay to play features popular with the more affluent like being able to maintain coverage for adult children.

1-Old-Man

(2,667 posts)
60. I do not think I've ever seen 5 words used so well.
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 10:45 AM
Jul 2013

If you do not mind I would like to (with attribution) quote that in my signature line.

Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
56. This is not going to help us at the polls
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 10:34 AM
Jul 2013

The last thing voters want to hear is that the law is that you have to have insurance but the employer doesn't have to pay for it, nor if they provide it, does it need to be affordable.

Sorry, this just doesn't go with the country's mood (which is Dem).

Are those who were ever likely at all to vote Dem next year going to be wiping sweat from their brows and saying "OMG, I'm so glad my employer isn't being faced with a fine for not providing insurance for me?" Doesn't Holtz-Eakin sound like a loon for saying that?

Also it's going to hurt, because this means one major source of funding for the exchanges is cut out of the system for another year, which is going to make the law far more costly. In a few weeks CBO will publish another projection. That's fodder for ACA opponents.

Effectively this probably also means that the individual mandate is dead (how can the IRS fine people?) for the year, so that means there won't be any source of funding?



 

HeroInAHalfShell

(330 posts)
62. This is not a brilliant move.
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 10:47 AM
Jul 2013

At the beginning of 2013, businesses started to cut peoples hours so they were not full time. Those people are not making what they were a year ago, but they will still be required to have coverage based on the individual mandate.

Well now that the Admin is pushing back the business part to 2015, will businesses just those hours back up that they cut so people can afford to pay for health care? or will they let them scrape by with lower hours?

All this does it hurt the poor, the ones who had their hours cut and still have to pay for health care!!! Now people wont benefit until 2015, even longer than they have already been waiting!!!

So let me get this straight? Its a brilliant move because it makes it harder for repukes to run against it?

so playing politics with our health care is ok for this President?

Time will tell how this plays out, for better or worse. I believe it will be worse. This will hurt the poor, the people I thought the President cared for most...

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
63. Good move!
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 10:51 AM
Jul 2013

2014 house is turning blue and Dems keeping the Senate. And, Medicare, Medicaid (Medi-Cal) is even stronger!

Pre-Exiting will not be hampered with. But alas the naysayers once again.

 

Prism

(5,815 posts)
66. This is one of the most wildly stupid things I've seen yet out of this administration
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 10:55 AM
Jul 2013

Forget for the moment that you now have a situation where individuals are mandated to have insurance while their employers are not obligated to provide them with it. If anyone doesn't think that's going to create some serious blowback, they're delusional.

But now the administration is basically conceding the main Republican talking point. "The ACA is bad for businesses. It's so bad, the administration doesn't want anyone to see its effects before the 2014 election!"

They are going to ride that point all the way to a Senate majority.

Jaysus.

And it opens up another issue. If a Democratic administration can unilaterally decide not to implement this provision of the ACA without the consent of Congress, what's to stop the next Republican executive from similarly deciding, "Hey guys, just ignore the mandate. I mean, President Obama claimed that power. We can do it too!"

Stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid.

Puglover

(16,380 posts)
123. Agreed Prism.
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 01:27 PM
Jul 2013

Ed Schultz is just going nutz about this. I agree with both of you. Who in the hell is calling the shots? Idiots.

suffragette

(12,232 posts)
67. This reminds me of Obama extending Bush tax cuts in 2010 then running against extending them again
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 10:58 AM
Jul 2013

Winners: the 1%
Losers: the rest of us

suffragette

(12,232 posts)
112. Out of all the posts on this thread, you respond to mine.
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 11:57 AM
Jul 2013

And, of course, you choose not to address the substance of the content of my post, but instead try to sidetrack my point.
I wonder why?

lhooq

(35 posts)
70. Obama to Supporters: Nope!
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 11:02 AM
Jul 2013

Brilliance indeed! Hell, why not go further and indefinitely postpone the entire ACA? Or, we could all become Republicans ... If you can't beat 'em, join 'em.

Last fall, I campaigned for the President's re-election motivated by the hope that the ACA might survive, and that I might, finally, be able to afford health insurance. Well, that's not happening to me (my income is too low to qualify for subsidies, and my state is not expanding Medicaid), and now it's not going to happen to those whose employers are suddenly exempt.

Fool I was to put any faith in the President and his corporatist wing of the Democratic Party.



DainBramaged

(39,191 posts)
133. "Fool I was to put any faith in the President and his corporatist wing of the Democratic Party"
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 03:02 PM
Jul 2013

Really.


Amazing how some people are so vocal in their dislike for the president, over one Little issue, and they've been here for so long too.......

Wounded Bear

(58,676 posts)
76. Regardless of this move....
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 11:05 AM
Jul 2013

Dems can run on:

Republicans voted 38 times to repeal Obamacare.
Care to make it 75?

caseymoz

(5,763 posts)
78. All Repubs need to say is
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 11:09 AM
Jul 2013

. . . "See, it's so bad, he's too afraid to implement it."

Simple message one propaganda-ready sentence.

You're right. Brilliant.

Skip Intro

(19,768 posts)
79. Now why would delaying that bit of the law be a good thing for Dems?
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 11:09 AM
Jul 2013

is the employer mandate going to be something that will turn the people against Dems once implemented?

Is it a good thing that Obama is playing politics with the healthcare of Americans?

Brilliant, or desperate?

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
81. He should try to push back the legalization of gay marriage to 2015, too.
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 11:09 AM
Jul 2013

Might win the votes of a few homophobes in 2014.

This n-dimensional chess is fun!

former9thward

(32,046 posts)
108. I thought the ACA was supposed to be a great thing.
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 11:46 AM
Jul 2013

Why is postponing a great thing going to help politically? It should be a disaster for the Rs to run against a great thing. Actually this latest move will throw everything right into the middle of the November, 2014 election campaign. Unless of course the great thing gets postponed to 2016 and then 2017 and then 2018....

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
110. What a load of spin.
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 11:51 AM
Jul 2013

If the ACA isn't good in 2013 it's not going to be good in 2014.

This is an admission of defeat.

-Laelth

Babel_17

(5,400 posts)
113. The Affordable Care Act is a bridgehead, it's like D-Day
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 12:00 PM
Jul 2013

As was noted from the beginning, health care is connected to everything in our economy. We passed the ACA and that was supposed to be part of a massive ongoing endeavor to bring progressive change to the country.

We need to end wasteful spending and outright giveaways. We need to direct resources to where there will be a solid return and to where we have obligations as a society.

Imo, and quite frankly, spending our political capital to pass the ACA isn't going to look smart if we don't attempt to be the party that people voted for in droves in 2008. We're in a fight and we need the people to see us as their army.

We need to get behind people like Senator Warren and go after the entrenched establishment that has gotten us into this mess and which is fighting to maintain their hooks, and their percentage, in the recovery from that.

The Republicans dug their heels in and we thought we could outwait them. Too many people have paid a heavy price for that strategy. We're seen as ineffectual and they get credit from their base for standing their ground.

That's the past though and we need to fight in the here and now. We need to show by deed that we are the party of progress. We need to bring to the front those who will fight that fight. And we need to disassociate ourselves from the rhetoric and policies of accommodation.

The Republicans spend their time and energy in planning on how to undermine our policies to bring about a recovery. The President needs to get this out there to the people and honestly admit to them that without their support we are all going to crash and burn.

We can't coast till 2014 and then hope that election will propel us to a decisive victory in 2016. We're going to have to re-earn the desire of the people to want change. We need some changes in the administration, more progressive picks and more progressive rhetoric.

Let's be honest about one other thing. The ACA isn't going to do much for us with all the 20 and 30 somethings who are single and healthy. We can't pretend that they are going to come out in droves in 2014 if we don't start matching our deeds more closely with our talk.

I'll say it's way past time to let the banks and Wall Street know that the DOJ has teeth. It's past time to stop treating pot smokers as a serious menace. It's past time to end the dragging of feet on addressing the constant sexual assaults in our military and with their contractors.

D-Day was a coordinated effort, it had to be. Just achieving any one beachhead wasn't enough. The ACA is just a beachhead and our party needs to start fighting like that.

Most Republicans long ago gave away deserving to be treated with collegiality. They spat on that tradition and we need to accept that and move on.

Why isn't my mail box flooded with information on what we're losing because of the sequester? Are we afraid of hurting Republicans feelings by associating them with the real personal pain and suffering? If so then we need to think more about our leadership and our representatives. We need people who can bear up to a hard scrutiny and then fight the good fight.

I live in a district that's lucky to have any Democrat represent us. We have Tim Bishop and it was an extreme struggle for him to get reelected. But from our safe districts and states we need to put up people who are going to get in there and slug it out.

Yes, it has come to this. We actually need to make things nastier before they can get better.

 

Apophis

(1,407 posts)
116. So he's screwing over millions of uninsured with a brilliant political move?
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 12:30 PM
Jul 2013

Doesn't that sound fucked up to you?

cbdo2007

(9,213 posts)
119. Politics is a chess game.
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 01:14 PM
Jul 2013

Sometimes you have to give a little to take a lot.

How will those "millions of uninsured" be doing if the Repubes win in a landslide in 2014 and overturn the whole law?

cbdo2007

(9,213 posts)
121. Brilliant.....when it is revisited in 2016, with President Obama completely out of the picture...
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 01:15 PM
Jul 2013

they literally won't have anything to run on and the focus will be on their lack of real substance and issues.

DainBramaged

(39,191 posts)
122. It's sad that no matter what the President tries, a majority here now pull out the tar and feathers
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 01:21 PM
Jul 2013

I should have given up sniffing glue today........

DainBramaged

(39,191 posts)
126. an additional year before the ACA mandatory employer and insurer reporting requirements begin
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 01:45 PM
Jul 2013

how is that screwing over the uninsured? Am I missing something?

WorseBeforeBetter

(11,441 posts)
139. "I hope the administration recognizes the need...
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 05:05 PM
Jul 2013

to release American families from the mandates of this law as well."

Ah, yes, John Boehner, champion of American families. This American family will support whomever fights to end that fucking individual mandate, and I couldn't care less who calls me names.

Way to go, Obama!

madville

(7,412 posts)
134. Does the Administration have the authority to delay these milestones
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 03:11 PM
Jul 2013

Just curious if the law was written to give the Administration authority to modify certain aspects of the law?

markpkessinger

(8,401 posts)
136. This won't in any way prevent the GOP from running against 'Obmacare'
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 03:33 PM
Jul 2013

The delay in implementing the employer mandate will be cast as proof that the President knows it's a bad plan (not saying it is, just pointing out how Republicans will characterize it). They will say he delayed implementing the employer mandate in a cynical ploy to prevent voters from experiencing the deleterious effects of the ACA prior to the 2014 elections. I think in your zeal to declare as brilliant every move the President makes you are seriously underestimating the GOP. I don't think this is nearly the 'political masterstroke' you think it is.

Major Hogwash

(17,656 posts)
138. President Obama removes every obstacle that the GOP can find to rally around.
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 04:27 PM
Jul 2013

The Rethuglican angry mob mentality has nothing to focus on now.
President Obama has removed every pillar of objection from their arguments.

President Obama is a genius.
I think that is obvious, but perhaps some people didn't know that already.

Cha

(297,446 posts)
140. You know they'll still run against Obamacare that they've tried
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 08:20 PM
Jul 2013

to Repeal 37 times. but, the teeth have been knocked out of their bite.

thanks Dain.

bluestate10

(10,942 posts)
143. Of course the "progressive" experts here on DU think differently. But,
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 01:28 AM
Jul 2013

Those are the same people that elected and re-elected GW Bush and gave the USA republican hell as a result of the 2010 midterms. So, to be safe, I will take the opposite side from what they think.

bobduca

(1,763 posts)
148. well lookie a "centrist" likes this capitulation!
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 10:16 AM
Jul 2013

to be safe I will think instead of not thinking like the centrists.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
149. Brilliant move?
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 10:25 AM
Jul 2013

Don't buy that for one second. That "brilliant move" just gave Teabaggers credibility in their opposition to Obamacare.

More like whistling passed the graveyard.

FFS, is there no huge fuckup partisan blindness isn't ready to pretend "is really a good thing?"


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