My apology for what a majority of jurists here declared to be a racist post.

[tiredtoo]

Last night i replied to a post concerning the Zimmerman trial. My reply included words that were considered racist by 4 of 6 jurists. While my expertise in racism is limited, i had not intention of posting a racist statement and wish to make a public apology to any and all that were offended by my comment.
I do stand by my opinion that Zimmerman will walk and i continue to think this trial is fraud.
Working together is the only way we can hope to regain our country.

[Buzz Clik]

1. Who the hell knows what motivates a jury at any given moment.

I have had a lot of posts hidden by juries, and most of them come out of left field. Considering that having my posts hidden is a royal pain in the ass, I make a mental note to avoid certain words, phrases, or contexts to avoid such conflicts in the future.

Beyond that, I don't give these decisions much thought. I sure as hell will never apologize for having a post hidden; but, to each his own.

[tiredtoo]

5. Buzz,

My apology is not for having a post hidden, my apology is to those who were offended by what they decided was a racist statement.
ps lovely wife just told me it was racist, so under that advise, i guess an apology was indeed required.

[Buzz Clik]

10. I will not second guess your wife, nor will I suggest you did the wrong thing in apologizing.

However, DUers are easy to offend. If you inadvertently offended some folks, then an apology might be warranted, and it's clearly what you wanted to do.

In my experience, DUers will alert a post for essentially no other reason than they disagree with what is being said and have been lucky enough to find something inflammatory in the post that a jury might dislike.

In my latest case, I used a word (to describe a KKK member) that a jury agreed 6-0 was homophobic. It was a harsh and obscene word, but I cannot find a definition anywhere or description of this word anywhere that describes it as pertaining to an LBGT person or the community as a whole. So, I don't get it and I strongly disagree with the jury, but I'll avoid the word in the future.

[Jenoch]

19. I once had a post hidden

because of a typo in my post.

[Buzz Clik]

24. Some typos can be lethal.

[chelsea0011]

2. What do you mean by the trial being a "fraud"?

[tiredtoo]

3. Fraud was the wrong word.

I meant to say farce. my hidden post gave more detail explaining why i feel this way.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

7. How is the case a fraud?

Zimmerman ignored a police dispatcher's admonition and followed an unarmed kid, an altercation ensued that we will never definitively know who started it or how it started, and ended up shooting the unarmed kid in the heart and killing him.

And without knowing the contents of your deleted post the presumption is the Democratic Underground jury acted appropriately.

[HappyMe]

9. Here -

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3154812

[Shrike47]

4. Apology accepted, by me, anyway.

[HappyMe]

6. "Most likely they just held trial in first place

to placate the blacks in Florida and try to avoid a riot."



Care to explain?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

8. I'm not black and was placated that the killer was brought to justice.

[tiredtoo]

11. a little more detail

the above quote is what got my original post hidden.
The killer has not been brought to justice. He will go free, they have overcharged him with 2nd degree murder. A charge they will not be able to prove beyond a reasonable doubt. Much like the Casey Anthony Trial last year, the jury could not put this young woman to death, and that was their only option.
Had they charged Zimmerman with manslaughter they may have had a chance of getting a conviction.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

12. Manslaughter is a lesser included offense

It's not particularly ethical but the prosecution may have overcharged , knowing the jury might be reluctant to convict Zimmerman of Murder 2 , and come back with a compromise verdict in the form of manslaughter.

[tiredtoo]

16. not sure if manslaughter is included

I do know that in the Casey Anthony trial it was murder 1 or freedom. Can the jury in this case come back with a verdict of manslaughter?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

22. Not sure about Casey Anthony so I rather not speculate

Jeff Weiner, a former president of the National Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers who practices in Miami, said an Arthur hearing “is not a mini-trial, but it’s a very good preview of the evidence that the state has at this point.”

Mr. Weiner suggested that the prosecutor might have “overcharged” to retain the option, should she feel a murder conviction is slipping away, of asking the judge to instruct the jury to consider lesser offenses, like manslaughter. It is also possible, he said, that she might be trying to coax Mr. Zimmerman to the negotiating table to plead guilty to such a lesser charge. But, he added, it is impossible to say whether it is overly tough, since evidence has not yet been produced.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/12/us/zimmerman-faces-second-degree-murder-charge-in-florida.html?_r=2&

[Jenoch]

26. I learned something yesterday that I find interesting and

it might make you feel better about the trial. I had learned the first week of the trial that manslaughter is always a lesser included charge with 2nd degree murder under Florida law. Yesterday I learned that because a gun was involved, under Florida law, the penalty for 2nd degree homicide and manslaughter is the same, 25 years to life. Zimmerman is going to have to be acquitted in order to stay out of prison for a very long time.

[tiredtoo]

14. The MSM

originally played up this killing as a white on black crime. This created unrest and turmoil amongst minorities in Florida, and to a similar extent fired up racists of the kkk variety across the country. A young man I know said. "He should be set free, Travon was a thumper" The MSM supposedly displayed pictures of Travon as a smiling 13 year old. Which this young man considered biased and/or prejudicial.
IMHO the pot was being stirred by both sides and the possibility of a real crisis existed if nothing was done.
Hope this clarifies my point.

[Nye Bevan]

13. Not really racist but not artfully phrased.

I would say that second degree murder charges were brought for political reasons, notwithstanding the weakness of the case and the witnesses.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

15. Is it not racist to suggest black folks will riot because they don't like a particular verdict?

[Nye Bevan]

18. Yeah, on second thoughts maybe it was a bit.

I guess the hide was appropriate.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

23. I don't think there will be riots but there will be a lot of unhappy people with lots of questions.

[tiredtoo]

20. That was not my intended suggestion

as you can see in my post #14 above. again it was poorly phrased and I have apologized for the phrasing.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

25. Lots of white folks are disturbed by Zimmerman's actions too.

I don't care what color you are , should you shoot an unarmed kid in the heart, you better have a damn good reason, and not have done anything to precipitate the altercation that led up to it.

[WovenGems]

27. Nope

Accountability does not apply in this case for sociopolitical reasons.

[snooper2]

17. It's okay, as we welcome all our new NSA(he can tap all me calls ma!) and(Obama is evil) posters

We'll figure these little hiccups out together

[AngryAmish]

21. The important thing is to express the same opinion as the others in our group

That way you will not be called names or have people try to expel you from the group and make an example of you.

[markiv]

28. thought compatibility is the ultimate expession of freedom

because if your thoughts arent compatable, we just might take your freedom

look how others think, and think like them - then we will all love you as one of us

group harmony is your responsibility, please make a note of it

[AnotherMcIntosh]

29. Ha