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Mr. Pickering was targeted by a longtime surveillance system called mail covers, but that is only a forerunner of a vastly more expansive effort, the Mail Isolation Control and Tracking program, in which Postal Service computers photograph the exterior of every piece of paper mail that is processed in the United States about 160 billion pieces last year. It is not known how long the government saves the images.
Together, the two programs show that snail mail is subject to the same kind of scrutiny that the National Security Agency has given to telephone calls and e-mail.
The mail covers program, used to monitor Mr. Pickering, is more than a century old but is still considered a powerful tool. At the request of law enforcement officials, postal workers record information from the outside of letters and parcels before they are delivered. (Actually opening the mail requires a warrant.) The information is sent to whatever law enforcement agency asked for it. Tens of thousands of pieces of mail each year undergo this scrutiny.
The Mail Isolation Control and Tracking program was created after the anthrax attacks in late 2001 that killed five people, including two postal workers. Highly secret, it seeped into public view last month when the F.B.I. cited it in its investigation of ricin-laced letters sent to President Obama and Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg. It enables the Postal Service to retroactively track mail correspondence at the request of law enforcement. No one disputes that it is sweeping.
In the past, mail covers were used when you had a reason to suspect someone of a crime, said Mark D. Rasch, the former director of the Justice Departments computer crime unit, who worked on several fraud cases using mail covers. Now it seems to be Lets record everyones mail so in the future we might go back and see who you were communicating with. Essentially youve added mail covers on millions of Americans.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/04/us/monitoring-of-snail-mail.html?smid=tw-share&_r=0
markiv
(1,489 posts)so you cant even use those!
Recursion
(56,582 posts)Also, this apparently dates back to the Wilson administration, n'est-ce pas?
villager
(26,001 posts)n/t
The Straight Story
(48,121 posts)Good to know
And since it is not private, why does the government need a warrant to get that info? I am looking at one now for yahoo - Ohhhhh that's right, they filled out warrants for every US citizen.....
Or did they? Cause there sure did with the one I am looking at. So did google.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)They need the warrant to know whom you called because of a statute passed in 1986, not the Constitution.
villager
(26,001 posts)Or is it three sets?
Certainly, the 1% have their rules, and we have ours.
Then again, perhaps the military/police apparatus which keeps things "orderly" for those 1%ers is collating information on them too. "Just in case."
Brickbat
(19,339 posts)there's nothing left for education, national parks, research -- things that benefit humanity.
NoMoreWarNow
(1,259 posts)all in times of "fiscal discipline".
Arctic Dave
(13,812 posts)head. Everything is translated through a prism of paranoid delusion.
Guns, paranoia, secrecy.
villager
(26,001 posts)...and an approach to "governing" that ultimately, can't end well.
NoMoreWarNow
(1,259 posts)It's really just breath-taking how digital technology has led to these sort of over-reaching policies.
RILib
(862 posts)is every President in recent times has been okay with this - Obama, Bush, Clinton, no difference.
I'm remembering this in 2016.
NoMoreWarNow
(1,259 posts)It's really a disgrace... probably really got worse after JFK was killed.
Anyway, the worst thing about this mail thing is the vast majority of mail is junk mass mailings. DO they really photo all that? Or just personal looking things? What about books you buy from Barnes and Noble or Amazon...oy.
randome
(34,845 posts)I'd say it was a possibility at least, wouldn't you?
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NoMoreWarNow
(1,259 posts)This system, at best, can detect long, ongoing patterns of mail but mostly seems like they already need a cause to look at someone's mail and see the patterns. I don't see how pictures of the letters helped solve something like the ricin cases, especially since they got the wrong guy initially!
IMO, there is too much reliance on these mass surveillance programs, and old-fashioned detective work is neglected.
intaglio
(8,170 posts)The USPS like any national postal service logs all mail. Even if all mail was automatically innocent it would still be logged to track the packet through the system and provide extra resources when necessary. See that barcode on your envelope? (you might need UV light) that is put on there by Post Office workers looking at the address on a video screen whilst it is passing through the sorting machines. This allows automated machines to sort your mail further down the line - because they do not read some very well handwriting.
Mail going to wanted criminals or terrorists is closely examined and a warrant is probably obtained for interception and opening. Mail which displays, publicly signs if criminal activity (smell of cocaine, white powder spilling out, oily stains, wires through the packaging) are examined and perhaps reported to law enforcement.
Everything on the outside of the package is public, it has to be otherwise your mail could not be delivered.
Sheesh ...
EdwardSmith74
(282 posts)WillyT
(72,631 posts)1-Old-Man
(2,667 posts)Local community cop? County Sheriff? State Police? FBI? Something akin to the NSA or possibly that Agency itself? How about in times of panic the Military Police, do they count?