Trayvon blood in the skittles. So TM never drop the skittles. nt

[warrior1]

[bravenak]

1. I swear this kid had six hands.

He was doing so much at one time.

[uppityperson]

2. 2 hands spread out by Z, 2 tucked under his body, skittles in one, damn, he's good.

[bravenak]

31. I guess the sixth hand was covering Z's mouth.

No wonder George was scared. He was getting beat up by an octopus.

[Moses2SandyKoufax]

32. Or "Goro" from "Mortal Kombat"... n/t

[polly7]

3. Oh wow .... so how would he grasp Zimmerman's head with both hands to smash it

repeatedly on the sidewalk? Go directly to jail, George/Liar.

[HooptieWagon]

4. Holding Z's head, and the skittles, and reaching for the gun....

damn, is Martin a freaking octopus?

[avebury]

10. And don't forget that he had his hands

over Zimmerman's mouth/nose to keep him from yelling for help.

As I have commented elsewhere, the only way that Trayvon Martin could have done all that Zimmerman accused him of would have been if Martin was an octopus.

[JI7]

20. so hands over zimmerman's mouth, holding skittles,and slamming zimmerman's mouth

and zimmerman was screaming for help while trayvon had his had over his mouth ???????????

[Lugnut]

5. He obviously didn't.

Z made up an elaborate tale to try to make himself the victim. If there's any justice for Trayvon Z should rot in jail.

[Nevernose]

15. He was also smothering Z

And holding him down, and reaching for Z's gun. At least according to Z.

Of course, the actual physical evidence shows he was talking on the phone and holding skittles, while screaming "help me" before Zimmerman shot him.

[KamaAina]

6. The Tell-Tale Skittles

Do they have candy vending machines in prison?

[tallahasseedem]

7. Very interesting tidbit of information.

I wonder how the defense will try to explain this one away?

[malaise]

8. Amazing how he managed to beat up GZ with skittles in his hand

GZ is a pathological LIAR, a racist scumbag and a wanna be cop.
I hope he ends up in prison

[Drew Richards]

23. Then he would fit right in with half the cops i have dealt with in my life n/t

[pnwmom]

9. Wow. This is big, IMHO. n/t

[JI7]

11. you know, even before this i was starting to think Trayvon never hit him

his cuts to the head seemed more like he might have fell , certainly not a head being slammed .

zimmerman was looking for a fight and any reason to shoot him. why wasn't trayvon's blood on zimmerman ? why that whole odd thing about how he moved trayvon's body and arms but the pictures show otherwise ?

[magical thyme]

16. I've suggested all along that Zimmerman fell onto the sidewalk

The injuries to the back of his head are simply not consistent with having your head repeatedly slammed.

There is what is possible, and there is what is reasonable to believe. It is possible that his head was repeatedly slammed, but given the lack of injury, it is extremely unlikely. The injuries are more consistent with a single blow; therefore it is more reasonable to believe one simple bang of his head.

[moondust]

21. EMS report says

"Pt states he was assaulted and his head was struck on the pavement."

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2012/images/05/17/zimmerman.fdems.report.pdf

That could easily describe simply falling over and hitting his head on the pavement once.

I think if I had had my head repeatedly slammed into the pavement until I thought it was going to explode, I would mention that to the EMT, who would probably recommend a head CT to check for serious intracranial injury.

[magical thyme]

22. makes sense

I had speculated at some point that Martin could have gotten off a single, lucky punch to his nose, causing him to fall backwards and hit the pavement. That scenario seems much more likely to me.

Zimmerman's story is likely a mix of bits of truth and many lies intended to make himself a hero and simultaneously a victim. But my what a tangled web we weave when first we attempt to deceive...

[Voice for Peace]

28. many posters also suggested the nose could have happened from kickback when he fired the gun

[magical thyme]

33. yup. one of them mentioned that Zimmerman's blood was found on his gun

That also seems possible, and assuming he was on his back and shooting upward toward Martin, the awkward position seems to support that explanation.

[Voice for Peace]

36. I wish they had asked the gun expert about that,

so as to raise the possibility. Or did they?

[JI7]

29. and since it was raining could he also have just slipped ?

especially if he stepped back .

the slamming the head thing is such a lie. and i'm tired of all the crap about the witnesses didn't see or don't say. we have other evidence like DNA, where Trayvon's body was , phone calls etc. and these are not in dispute and more reliable than witness memory.

[ThePhilosopher04]

12. The important piece of this testimony ...

is the considerable presence of George Zimmerman's blood on his own jacket, and shirt underneath. The defense claims Zimmerman swallowed his own blood because he was lying on his back ... now we have it on the front of his jacket, plus underneath which tends to support it either soaking through, or perhaps dripping down his face inside the neck of the jacket. For that to happen, he couldn't have been on his back as claimed. There is also blood of TM on the right cuff of Zimmerman's jacket, plus the upper right quadrant, which would indicate point blank range IMO. If TM was straddling Zimmerman, in an upright fashion, or at an angle, the blood splatter should be found on other areas of the front of the jacket.

[yardwork]

18. That would imply that Zimmerman got hurt while standing up.

Unless Martin picked up the sidewalk and hit Zimmerman with it, it kind of refutes the defense contention that Martin was armed with the sidewalk.

[magical thyme]

26. given that Martin simultaneously grabbed for Zimmerman's gun,

smothered him with one hand and held a bag of skittles in another hand, picking up the sidewalk and bashing him in the back of the head with it may make more sense. Maybe he did that with just one hand, whereas slamming his head into the sidewalk would have required 2 hands.

So that reduces Martin's hands from 5 to just 4, which seems much more plausible due to the symmetry...

[TorchTheWitch]

35. the Skittles were not in his hand at any time

They were in the front pocket of his sweatshirt with the iced tea as the forensic tech attested she took them from. I don't know where people are suddenly getting that he was holding the Skittles in his hand. He wasn't. Had they been in his hand they would have been found on the grass as his phone was. His phone had been in his hand and dropped or knocked onto the grass as the fight started just as his headset was knocked off his head and found on the grass.

[Voice for Peace]

37. in all fairness, Zimmerman had only one hand to defend himself,

because he had to keep one hand on his gun.
Where I have no doubt it had been since the
moment he exited his car.

[TorchTheWitch]

34. the nose would have bled immediately after impact

O'Mara was trying to claim that the reason that Martin had none of Z's blood on his hands when covering his mouth and nose was that no blood ever had a chance to come out of his nose. This idea is ridiculous because had he been standing when he was struck the blood would have immediately begun to seep out his nose. Depending on how bad the blow was would determine how much blood came out all together. His having blood on his face and on his jacket and shirt merely means that the nose continued to bleed after he got off of his back.

He certainly didn't bleed buckets of blood. IIRC, one of the police officers on the scene mentioned that his nose had stopped or almost stopped bleeding when he arrived and that most of the blood had begun to dry. O'Mara is being silly both saying that no blood at all would have come out of his nose and trying to claim that there was so much of it that Z was in danger of choking to death or drowning. Since Z claims it was him screaming WHILE he was on his back with not the slightest bit of chocking sounds heard then he wasn't being strangled by blood. He certainly could have swallowed some, but it would have been such a minute amount it would have just slid down the back of his throat without notice same as when you have congested sinuses or nose when you have a cold... nobody drowns in their sleep when they have sinus discharge down the back of the throat (what we call post-nasal drip). Had Z swallowed any significant amount of blood that could be thought to be so much as to cause choking/strangling he would have become nauseous and vomited it up. Even swallowing a small amount of blood can cause nausea/vomiting.

Just breathing would also force the blood out of the nose as well. It just isn't realistic that he was struck in the nose while standing up with no blood at all coming out his nose. The blood would have started coming out immediately after the impact. Anyone that has been struck in the nose so that it bled or has seen someone struck in the nose knows that blood comes out immediately. We can see from the photos that huge amounts of blood didn't come out his nose from the time of impact to the time that it stopped bleeding, and we know he could not have had so much going down the back of his throat that it caused him to choke on it or believe he was drowning in it. And we know that swallowing any blood down the back of his throat couldn't have been significant because a) it didn't cause him to choke on it, and b) he didn't become nauseous for vomit because of it. If they're going to claim that it was Z that was doing all that screaming they can't also claim that he was choking on blood at the same time.

[MerryBlooms]

13. Randi Rhodes is discussing the trial now on her radio show now.

She's doing a super job at breaking it all down.

[ecstatic]

14. Are Z's fingerprints on them? I wonder if Z

was wearing gloves?

[yardwork]

17. How did Martin slam Zimmerman's head 30 times

while holding a bag of candy?

[TorchTheWitch]

19. How did the Skittles get back into his sweatshirt pocket?

Because that's where they were found. That blonde forensic tech person said she took the Skittles out of his sweatshirt pocket as well as the can of iced tea, and there's a photo they showed of his body where a corner of the bag of Skittles was poking out of that pocket.

I've not gotten caught up on watching the trial on YouTube, so I haven't yet seen any of today's testimony.

[Honeycombe8]

25. GZ never said 30 times, did he? Did you watch the video? The Skittles were in TM's pocket,

I think. They were for his brother.

[yardwork]

30. Zimmerman told Serino that his head was slammed against the concrete sidewalk "20 or 30 times."

Zimmerman told his buddy Osterman that Martin actually had hold of his gun, and that Zimmerman had to pry it away from Martin.

These are just some of the many lies that Zimmerman is now proven to have told.

[Honeycombe8]

24. Weren't they in his pocket? They weren't for him. They were for his brother.

So he wasn't eating them.

[TorchTheWitch]

27. The Skittles were in his pocket of his sweatshirt

There's a photo of that, and the forensic tech woman testified that she took both the iced tea and the Skittles out of his pocket to put into evidence. If they had any blood on them then it was from the gun shot wound.
He did, however, have his phone in his hand corroborating Rachel's testimony that she was talking with him on the phone at the start of the encounter, and both his phone and headset were found separately (not connected by the cord to each other) in the grass near his body.