Inside Edward Snowden's luxury hotel which has its own swimming pool, Turkish baths, gym and library

[flamingdem]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2355874/Inside-Edward-Snowdens-luxury-hotel-swimming-pool-Turkish-baths-gym-library.html

* He may never leave, Wikileaks will pick up the tab?
* Anyone know who is paying the bills? 350 per day approx. plus food and .. wifi

The hotel is just 35 minutes from central Moscow and with 493 rooms, it is one of the largest in the area
Guests can treat them self to a massage and have LCD televisions in each room.








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[arely staircase]

1. and someone defending this guy here at DU actually told me this is about

the 99 percent vs the 1 percent

[KittyWampus]

2. made me laugh. Well, he's so courageous he deserves semi-luxe digs dontcha think?

[flamingdem]

3. We can see why he's not in such a big hurry

It's not exactly a pod hotel! Well he still has a few hundred minor countries left for his asylum bid!

[LondonReign2]

137. Rude has you covered

1. Man, it's exciting, isn't it? Where will NSA leaker Edward Snowden end up? Will he live in limbo in a TGI Friday's in the Moscow airport? Will he get asylum? Where will he take a shit? Does he have access to shampoo? Holy fuck, tell us more about his plea bargain deal offers and his attempts to find a country to take him. Tell us more because the more we hear about Edward Snowden, fugitive from the butthurt U.S. government, the less we have to grapple with what Snowden's leaked documents actually reveal about the U.S. surveillance state.

5. The Snowden chronicles (and, to a lesser extent, the irrelevant Glenn-Greenwald-is-such-an-asshole attacks) are an enormous distraction from the real stories, the massive extent of spying on Americans without suspicion or warrant (which, the Rude Pundit has said repeatedly, is something that at least deserves a good debate) and Director of National Intelligence James Clapper lying to Congress. And if these things don't matter to you, especially those of you on the left side of the political wall, if you think "security" has been compromised or some such shit that hasn't been demonstrated at all, well, congratulations. You're finally on the side of George W. Bush, John Yoo, Dick Cheney, and other assorted war criminals.

http://rudepundit.blogspot.com/

[RedCappedBandit]

4. And here I thought he was imprisoned in some high sec area of the airport..

[flamingdem]

12. He's in that hotel, but the high security part meaning

probably not as comfy, but I bet they have wifi!

[Tx4obama]

15. See the link in Comment #7. Folks without papers basically cannot leave their room...

they are keep on a locked floor and cannot access all of the good stuff the hotel has.

[eissa]

5. I just paid $150/night

For a filthy motel room in Tahoe with questionable-looking stains on the carpet. Maybe I should steal state secrets and make a run for a more freedom-loving nation. Wonder what Moldova is like this time of year?

[flamingdem]

9. Getting zee treatment

I know what you mean, some people have all the fun and adventure, and get Russia to pay for it! Maybe Wikileaks

[CakeGrrl]

6. How dare you assassinate his character!!

...such that it appears to be.

But this actually fits in with his ideological mindset. He probably feels he's earned it, what with his inability to take responsibility for his illegal behavior and his childish rant about President Obama ruining his escape.

And to the dismay of those who have put such stock in his heroics, I'll wager he could give a rat's ass about the 99%.

[flamingdem]

11. That's why I so wanted him to end up in Venezuela

Where he'd be faced by the people and their socialist revolution all day!

Plus, he'd have to attend Libertarian Retraining Camp. There might still be hope but it's fading

[CakeGrrl]

82. I've had a similar thought. Asylum in a far-left country? Karmic payback

for someone who despises the likes of Social Security like ol' Snowden.

[flamingdem]

83. Russia is my second choice

Though I don't know if they have much social security going at this point.

We might get that in the end

Putin doesn't seem to want the Yankees to get him, he was so hoping for asylum

Now he'll look bad with all the juicy anti-yankee sentiment going on

[MADem]

108. He was proud of his stock shorting prowess. That, to me, says something about his mindset.

His views on social security were nothing to write home about, either.

[Tx4obama]

7. The main part of the Novotel is out of bounds for the folks that do not have their papers in order

See the two page article on the link below...

Trapped in Transit: Orwellian Moscow Airport Hotel

-snip-

EDITOR'S NOTE: Eastern Europe News Director Ian Phillips flew from his home base of Prague in the Czech Republic to Moscow's Sheremetyevo Airport with the goal of getting to the bottom of the mystery of fugitive NSA leaker Edward Snowden. What followed was a surreal 21 hours.

———

The woman at the transit desk raises an eyebrow and stares at my flight itinerary, which includes a 21-hour layover in Moscow before a connection to Ukraine. "Why would ANYONE stay here in transit for so long? There are so many earlier connections you could have taken. This is strange behavior."

After a nearly two-hour wait inside the terminal, a bus picks me up — only me — from the transit area. We drive slowly across the tarmac, through a barrier, past electronic gates covered in barbed wire and security cameras.

The main part of the Novotel is out of bounds. My allotted wing feels like a lockup: You are obliged to stay in your room, except for brief walks along the corridor. Three cameras track your movements along the hallway and beam the images back to a multiscreen monitor. It's comforting to see a sign instructing me that, in case of an emergency, the locks on heavily fortified doors leading to the elevators will open.

When I try to leave my room, the guard outside springs to his feet. I ask him why room service isn't responding and if there's any other way to get food. He growls: "Extension 70!" I rile him by asking about the Wi-Fi, which isn't working: "Extension 75!" he snarls.

-snip-

Full two page article here: http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/trapped-transit-orwellian-moscow-airport-hotel-19520480#.UdSvbqwkz58

[flamingdem]

10. Yes, that part of the hotel probably has lots of these:

Can't bear to even look at the real ones, yeeech

[HipChick]

16. See my post below...this matches what folks on TripAdvisor are saying about the non-Visa Transit

zone of the hotel..

Transit passengers were not allowed to wonder about in the hotel. We had security staff (who spoke no English) following us everywhere we went. They reminded me of the former KGB. Apparently they were very afraid of us transit passengers running away into their country. As if.
The KGB agents were there to see when we had our brekkie and lunch. Both were quite horrible but I ate them, since the vending machine only spat out chocolate that was out of date. The staff showed no mercy and treated us like inmates with a life sentence. Everyone thought the same way. Most of the people were German, but even they were silent around the KGB. I was able to understand however how unwelcomed they felt. This was a relief, since I thought maybe I was imagining it all due to high fever.
Personally I think that had I stayed in the hotel as a normal tourist with a visa, I would have gotten better treatment. I mean, honestly, we had our own isolated section and we had no access to anywhere, except the vending machine that only took Russian currency. Products in the vending machine war about three months out of date. Novotel was a 4 star hotel, but for transit passengers the stars don’t really shine. We were treated as a nuisance rather than guests of their hotel.
The standard of service was very low at Novotel. They would pretend not to speak English when it suited them. I am not high maintenance, I have travelled a bit and seen very bad accommodation and service.
This experience was both amusing and horrible. I kept my game face on the whole time, since I think it would only have gotten worse had I complained. I would not recommend anyone to stay at Novotel Sheremetyevo as a transit passenger. When I flew back from Tokyo, I had to spend one night in Moscow again. This time I chose to sleep on the floor in the terminal building. It turned out to be quite the pleasant surprise.

[flamingdem]

44. This whole incident is NOT going to help Russian tourism!

[Tx4obama]

48. A short excerpt from the ABC article

From page two...

-snip-

The guard allows me to stretch my legs in the corridor. The signs on the wall rub things in. Under a pretty picture of the Moscow skyline and Red Square, a message reads: "Should you wish to see the full range of facilities offered by our hotel during your next stay, we strongly recommend you to get a visa before flying to Moscow."

-snip-

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/trapped-transit-orwellian-moscow-airport-hotel-19520480

[HipChick]

54. I wonder if he smokes..

you can't even go outside for a puff..

[Tx4obama]

64. Well he isn't smoking anymore since he can't leave his room without a passport...

and the windows do not open.

I guess he could smoke in the bathroom but they probably do not bring cigarettes to the folks that aren't allowed to go outside.

He's been there over a week so if he had cigs he should probably be out by now.

[flamingdem]

78. I wonder if Sarah smokes, if so she must be regetting this mission

Plus she has to hear Snowden going on all day about Paul Revere!

[HipChick]

85. She is British, but I am thinking that she has a visa

[flamingdem]

86. Hmm. She's doing the legwork and getting the cigs

and schmoozing the guards.

But it can't go on forever.

[HipChick]

87. Exactly...its countdown time now..so something will happen soon.

I expect

[treestar]

138. Would they let her go on and off the transit floor?

So she can talk to her client?

[flamingdem]

68. I bet the Visas cost an arm and a leg! n/t

[HooptieWagon]

8. Did you find it on the map?

Its supposed to be on the M10, next door to Austria.

[flamingdem]

27. I'm not up on the map joke being overused by the Snowdenistas

You're one of them right? Who do you think is paying for the hotel?

[HooptieWagon]

32. Yes. Obviously its an embarrassment to the BOG.

But not so embarrassed as to cause reexamining your smear tactics, I see.

[flamingdem]

49. Both sides are guilty of errors this round. So are heads of state

Snowden has caused so much chaos on DU, imagine how it's working out there in international relations land

[HooptieWagon]

94. Uh, no.

Only one side posted gross errors and wild speculation. The other side posted factually...even helpfully posting the true flight path.

[flamingdem]

97. Oh you haven't seen the breathless posts about Maduro and the CIA being behind the Bolivian thing?

Or how Ambassdor Eacho stormed into the airport looking for Snowden?

Check it out, you'll laugh at that too

[HooptieWagon]

112. No, there have been no claims of Maduro's involvement...

Except for attending the meeting and signing the document. The Bolivian govt did claim that the 4 countries told them privately that the CIA was who requested overflight priviledges be revoked. It was posted that that was said by Morales, but no claim it was substantiated. It was reported in news that Ambassador was at the airport, and substantiated. No posts claiming he "stormed in". :rolleyes:

[savalez]

142. I tried.

But I couldn't get passed the adolescent Bwaaahaaahaa's or the dancing icons.

[leveymg]

13. OMG - A hotel with a pool and each room even has a bed, a desk and a chair! How decadent!

Surely proof that Snowden isn't taking his oath of poverty seriously! Excellent detective work, flamingdem! We will have to report this offense to the Primate of the Benedictine Order - Snowden just isn't living as a consecrated hermit.

[Tx4obama]

19. No pool privledges for Snowden. He is confined to his room in the 'locked down' wing of the hotel

Folks that do not have their papers in order are put on a floor of the 'locked wing' and have to stay put.

See Comment #7

and Comment #14

[flamingdem]

23. And the wifi is weak there

Can you imagine the amount of cursing coming from that room!

[Tx4obama]

36. I've read some hotel reviews on the other link in this thread and some folks said they...

... they couldn't get any access to wi-fi at all.

If that is happening or does happen to Snowden I wonder how long it will take before he is begging to get out of there.

LOL

[HipChick]

52. I saw that too...a lot of time, these hotels don't have enough repeaters or they are managed by 3rd

party....or in this instance, I highly suspect Russian security forces since even the hotel is saying that area is totally under Russian immigration control

[flamingdem]

24. It goes to show that he may not be in such a hurry to leave

Plus Wikileaks is probably footing the bill. Later we will be footing the bill

[HipChick]

29. Yep...Figuring he is staying with Assange's ex lover =$600 per night for both

$4,200 per week before they add all those pesky hotel taxes and then room service

[flamingdem]

63. Unless they're sharing the same room

ut oh

That is one of the least scintillating thoughts imaginable though.

[HipChick]

66. Well, her parents are saying they haven't heard from here since she flew to Hong Kong..

@ them doing the do..

[flamingdem]

69. Assange would bust out of the Ecuadoran Embassy in a jealous rage

Well probably not.

Those poor parents! She has secured her future as a rebel however, and that does sell.
She sounds smart but this little episode will have her changing to be a corporate lawyer!

Oh my wild youth she'll say one day!

Imagine how much she wants to leave now but feels guilty about abandoning Eddy.
Once she's gone that indicates that it's curtains for him.

[HipChick]

14. Check out the reviews on TripAdvisor for the no-Visa Transit part of the hotel..

There are two parts to the hotel..Snowden is confined to the non-Visa Transit zone...many of the tripadvisor reports on this section say how horrible it is..

http://www.tripadvisor.com/Hotel_Review-g298484-d305522-Reviews-Novotel_Moscow_Sheremetyevo-Moscow_Central_Russia.html

My first time writing review on TripAdvisor. The terrible experience brought me here.
I booked the flight tickets with Aeroflot from Switzerland to Moscow and from Moscow to Hong Kong. Unluckily, as the 1st flight was delayed for two hours, I could not catch the next flight to HK; so I ended up staying with Novotel for a night together with other unfortunate passenegrs under the airline's plan.

At the front desk, we were told by the only receptionist that we have to share a double room with another passenger, who was a complete stranger to us. We were brought to this so-called non-visa transit zone, where we were not allowed to go anywhere but staying in our room for 24 hours, with a secuirty guard watching us to ensure we do not leave this floor.

As the meals provided by the airline were really not edible, I called for room service. Someone picked up the phone after 20minutes of calling. It took so long to take a simple order because the room service person did not understand english very well, so I had to repeat several times very slowly, and she get pissed when she did not understand something. I suppose the hotel should at least hire people who have a good command of english to take this position. Room service arrived after 15minutes which is reasonable, however they brought me a full bottle of wine when I requested just a glass. When I pay with my visa card, it was not working. The room service person tried several times but still it failed, I told her that I have just used it in the airport and it worked, but she demonstrate impatience and seemed not trusting I can pay. So I was taken by the security guard to the Front desk to pay, the payment was done with the first try. It proved that it was not my fault but the problem of there machine, but they did not appologize for this. When I went back to my room, the food was not hot anymore. This was really unpleasant when you pay for it but you were subjected to bad service and cold food. Due to time lag, I stayed up very late, so I informed the front desk that I didn't need any breakfast, and did not want to be disturbed. I mentioned 'Don't knock my door'. However, someone knocked my door fiercely in the early morning to send me breakfast. Clearly, the hotel did not care about my request at all, and no communication was made between the respective departments. Regarding the free wi-fi service, the signal was weak, the internet ran very slow, and I had to reconnect it to the wi-fi many times. This made me very frustrated because it was urgent to contact my family through internet to inform them about my situation.

Conclusion: Though I had only stayed in the non-visa transit zone, it was still part of the hotel; so I believed my comments were useful to reflect the bad hospitality service of this hotel. I expect we should be treated the same as other guests because it was not our fault missing the flight. Most of the staffs did not smile and were not friendly; they showed impatience and disrespect. The rooms were nice, spacious and clean, and the bed was pretty comfortable, but I considered service a more important aspect that directly affects your mood. Overall experience was poor. I was surprised that this hotel is a four-star. Two advices: This hotel is not worth staying. Never book Aeroflot. (If you go through other comments of this hotel, you'll see other similar cases happened very frequently

[flamingdem]

20. Uff! Nightmare hotel! The worst for Eddy is the slow internet

and of course this:

>>a secuirty guard watching us to ensure we do not leave this floor.

[HipChick]

25. Slow WIFI that the Russian security folks are tapping into..

[flamingdem]

79. LOL of course, every poot is heard by several security agents

They are painfully aware of all aspects of the relationship between Eddie and Sarah too!

[JI7]

17. IT'S NOT ABOUT SNOWDEN

now , let me go make a thread comparing snowden to paul revere

[HipChick]

18. He made it about himself

and then when he ran off to Hong Kong

[flamingdem]

21. Not about Eddie? I want 24/7 Snowden news

Everything he does and says and all the world havoc he causes is the best reality tv show going!!

[flamingdem]

47. How do you think Paul Revere would feel about the Novotel Hotel

He could leave his horse by the pool! Use the intercom to "warn" about things

[HipChick]

55. OMG....I can't breathe...

[flamingdem]

59. Have we fully taken advantage of the Paul Revere insanity evidenced here

and in Snowden's dads praising of his son?

I think we need to work that one for a looong time

[SidDithers]

103. Well played...

Sid

[struggle4progress]

22. Plus, I hear that if you stay there, Anna Chapman will offer to marry you!

[flamingdem]

38. Help. I don't know who that is

Is that the spy who offered to marry him? I don't think that was Chapman though..

[Tx4obama]

41. Yes, Anna Chapman the Russian spy. Link below

DU OP here: http://sync.democraticunderground.com/10023165604

But he can't not leave his hotel room and she can't access the locked wing - so they will never meet

[flamingdem]

45. Oh, so sad, ill fated love!

She really is perfect for him in so many ways!

[treestar]

141. Most countries I would think would not accept such as obvious ploy!

A "green card marriage" or whatever they call it in Russia.

But it got Anna some publicity, so that's all good.

[struggle4progress]

70. That spy was Chapman

[eissa]

26. Well, at least he's not living

in a Stasi police state like the US. Must be nice to finally be in a country where freedom reigns, unlike the totalarian nightmare we're enduring here.

[flamingdem]

30. I lived in Germany and its shocking for a Yankee to have to show a passport all the time

We really have a very relaxed country, people don't always get that, at least it was for most of my life

[HipChick]

33. I lived in Europe and never had to carry ID around with me

until I came here..

[flamingdem]

40. Really? In Germany you have to always have an ID card or they can hold you

I forget what it's called. Ausweiss maybe

[HipChick]

60. Not in the UK...I got stopped by the cops there once,and they said I could bring it into the station

withing 7 days..

[HipChick]

31. Right...he is unable to leave his room, or leave the floor he is staying on..

[eissa]

43. So many Americans don't appreciate

what we have. Yes, we have problems, lots of them. So does every nation on earth; some not as bad as us, but most worse. I feel sorry for Snowden that he's learning this the hard way.

[MannyGoldstein]

28. Well, this proves beyond a doubt that the White House is not spying

on every American.

Thanks for setting me straight.

[flamingdem]

35. Aren't you even curious about Snowden and his fish out of water life in Moscow?

best.story.ever

[Rex]

152. ...

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

34. I'm not sure what this article does except to really say little if nothing at all.

I guess it is probably better than having to post articles that the NSA spies on Americans.

I found this tidbit really amusing though.

He is one of America's most wanted fugitives, but it seems that Edward Snowden could be living in luxury at a hotel at a Moscow airport.

Could you post something from American Idol next to really get me excited?

[flamingdem]

37. I'm unashamed about being 100% into Snowden gossip

If you have any send it my way

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

39. It's not gossip. It's conjecture.

[FreepFryer]

42. How to make Pelmini (Russian Dumplings)

Ingredients

1 1/2 cups all-purpose flour
2 eggs
1/2 cup water
1/2 pound ground beef
1/2 pound ground pork
2 large onions, finely chopped
salt & black pepper, to taste
Garlic, to taste

Steps

1) To make the dough, combine the flour, eggs, water and a 1/2 teaspoon salt. Knead mixture.
2) Mix the ground beef, ground pork, chopped onions, salt, pepper and garlic together.
3) Roll the dough into a thin layer and cut into small circles.
4) Place a small amount of meat in the center of each circle of dough.
5) Fold the edges of the dough over the meat and bend the "points" together back along the fold to make a small ear shaped dumpling. If the folded dough doesn't stick moisten the edge of the dumpling with a little water to make them stick.
6) Boil the Pelmini in salted water until they float to the surface (~7 min). #Serve them in soup plates with butter, sour cream, or broth. Great as both a main dish or side.
7) Enjoy!

[flamingdem]

46. This is not Julia Childs Kitchen, this is the Snowden Channel!

24/7 Snowden, best.reality.show.ever

[HipChick]

50. I have to agree...I still the Finale

is him doing a perp walk on US soil

[flamingdem]

53. I see different possible endings, maybe a twist

ending. That's what's great about Eddie, his story just keeps unfolding!

It will slow down when he's in super max. That's why it might be better
if he escapes. Delay the perp walk a bit

[HipChick]

57. I do see another scenario...

but let me see what unfolds..

[Th1onein]

81. Well, at least you're finally admitting that that's what it's all about for you guys.

Keep everyone focused on the messenger and they might forget the government has been spying on them, huh?

[CakeGrrl]

84. But aren't you here to counteract the Defenders of the Police State?

We're no match for ya!

[Th1onein]

96. No, honey, you sure aren't.

[Tx4obama]

90. There are many more Snowdenbots than there are folks wanting him to be arrested and go to trial

The countless 'hero' threads, Paul Revere posts, etc prove that.

Why are the Snowdenbots making it about him?



Btw, folks can walk and chew gum at the same time - we're Democrats so we are smart enough to multi-task

[flamingdem]

95. Exactly!

Plus Paul Revere would be turning over in his grave, he's retch at the thought of a weasel like Snowden

Back then they had duels, they certainly didn't run off to Moscow!

[Th1onein]

98. Apparently you're not smart enough to multi-task, though.

I've yet to see one post from you talking about your government spying on you. I guess it's all okay with you, huh?

[flamingdem]

101. As I've explained I'm into Snowden gossip

If you have any send it over

[Th1onein]

106. It's all about the messenger; not the message.

What a pity.

[Tx4obama]

102. That is NOT true.

I have posted many posts/comments regarding meta-data collected by 3rd parties (telecoms) not being protected by the 4th amendment.

Just because my posts have not been in agreement with what you may believe does not mean I haven't posted.

Come on, please don't spoil the fun - the main issue on this thread is SNOWDEN not the legalities of 4th amendment

[Th1onein]

107. You could care less about the Fourth Amendment, then, right?

It's all okay what has been done to us by the NSA.

Fascists everywhere are celebrating, I'm sure.

[Tx4obama]

110. There is a difference between discussing the 'legalities' of an issue and giving a personal opinion

on an issue.

I prefer to look at 'facts' and what the current 'law' is.

How on earth you came to the conclusion that I don't 'care' about the 4th amendment is beyond me.

Goodnight

[Th1onein]

116. It's pretty obvious, with your focus on Snowden.

[think]

51. might have to try that one out

Sounds yummy...

[Tx4obama]

58. Also known as 'Pierogi' in eastern Europe

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierogi

I haven't made them in a couple of years, perhaps when the summer heat lets up here I'll make some in the fall

[Tanuki]

80. Spasiba! That sounds delicious, and not so difficult to make! n/t

[Rstrstx]

56. How do we KNOW he's there?

When was the last time anyone ever actually saw him? This doesn't look like the Transit Zone of the Moscow airport to me, though I guess he couldn't be kept there forever, they'd have to do something to him. Should we take the word of Russia that he's holed up there in a comfortable room?

He could be living it up in La Paz right now as far as we know, until I see pictures I consider him desaparecido

[flamingdem]

61. You are right, how come we are trusting Putin at all?

That's what I love about this story though, the idea of this American nerd so out of place with Putin drooling over his pile 'o info. Kudos to Putin for controlling himself, if he is so doing!

[Tx4obama]

62. Putin very recently said he wants Snowden to hurry up and decide where he's going and to leave

... so I think Putin wouldn't have said that if Snowden wasn't still there.

[flamingdem]

65. That was the big story out of Moscow today, Putin is very impatient

I think that's a cue for all of us that something will be decided soon.

Putin thought he could dump him on Iceland or Bolivia!

[Rstrstx]

67. How soon was "very recently"?

Was if after the Bolivian plane fiasco? I'm still not convinced he wasn't on that flight, I wonder if there is any video of Morales' plane landing in Bolivia and everyone getting off? Was the event televised?

[Tx4obama]

71. Apparently today

http://in.reuters.com/article/2013/07/04/usa-security-russia-idINDEE9630C220130704

[flamingdem]

77. This is very telling, they don't want a stand off but won't hand him over?

But Moscow also has made clear that Snowden is an increasingly unwelcome guest because the longer he stays, the greater the risk of the diplomatic standoff causing lasting damage to relations with Washington.

--
Putin had better invent something fast that allows him to save face and return Snowden

[Tx4obama]

88. In the past before all of this Snowden dust up...

... when folks were held in the locked wing of the hotel in Moscow - and couldn't resolve their papers issue = Moscow would put the person on a plane and send them back to their country of origin.

I read that a couple of days ago.

Seems to me that when Moscow/Putin gets fed up with the situation they can just put Snowden on a plane heading for The USA due to the fact he doesn't have traveling papers in order.

[flamingdem]

89. Maybe he's waiting for a little calm before unleashing that storm

He'll really bear the brunt of all that anti-USA fervor going on and he's trying to get the focus off a trial of his enemies that's happening now.

[Rstrstx]

105. Not to sound conspiratorialist or anything...

...but the only dates I got from that article were here:

On Monday, Putin said Snowden could only be granted asylum by Moscow if he agreed to stop actions that could harm the United States.

Putin's press secretary, Dmitry Peskov, said on Tuesday that Snowden had withdrawn his interest in asylum in Russia after Putin spelled out the terms. His options have narrowed further since then as no country has agreed to grant him asylum.


And when did Morales' plane leave Russia? Tuesday

As others have pointed out, it's unlikely he was on the plane but I still haven't seen anything that can rule it out. Bolivia will play this for all it can get but Evo "no bald girly boys" Morales' 15 minutes of fame are probably winding down unless he actually took the little chicken-eating geek back as a little recuerdo of his fabulous Russian vacation.

And so much conflicting information, that linked article reports Snowden is STILL in the transit area of the Moscow airport and unless I missed something that hotel does not look like it's inside the transit area.

Way too many questions, it's all extremely salacious I have to admit I've become addicted to the story. So many players, so many moves, so blurred the lines between who's the good guy and who isn't.

Can't wait for the movie

[Tx4obama]

109. See the bolded parts...

MOSCOW | Fri Jul 5, 2013 12:08am IST

(Reuters) - Edward Snowden should find another country to seek refuge in, a Russian official said on Thursday, signalling Moscow's growing impatience over the former U.S. spy agency contractor's stay at a Moscow airport.

Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov said Russia had received no request for political asylum from Snowden and he had to solve his problems himself after 11 days in the transit area of Moscow's Sheremetyevo airport.

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The article is new and Snowden has been in Moscow for 11 or 12 days now.

Are those the dates your looking for?

[Rstrstx]

111. Those aren't the dates you're looking for

You can go about your business.....move along

Damn, you just had to throw a turd in my conspiracy punchbowl. But I'm still gonna keep it out for guests until I see pictures

[Tx4obama]

113. I wasn't the one looking for dates. You're the one that said you didn't see many dates...

... I was just pointing a couple out for you.

[Rstrstx]

115. Doh, I guess that went over like a lead balloon

You've never seen Star Wars?

[Tx4obama]

117. I think the only one I've seen is first one when first came out, that was a long time ago. n/t

[Rstrstx]

118. A long long time ago...

Maybe Ed was with them

[flamingdem]

120. Thanks! This is a good story to start my Snowden research today

Something tells me Putin has a two week limit in mind.

I wonder how to say - get out of here American - in Russian

[HipChick]

119. I wonder who will play Snowden..

[flamingdem]

121. Any of these actors appeal to you?

http://popwatch.ew.com/2013/06/12/who-should-play-edward-snowden/

* I think Justin Timberlake could handle it but he's not nerdy enough, I'm tired of Gosling

So let’s cast this as-yet-nonexistent movie. Here’s some names we thought of: Daniel Radcliffe, Aaron Paul, Ryan Gosling, Tobey Maguire, Alexander Skarsgard, Jamie Bell, Eric Balfour, Elijah Wood, Josh Radnor and Justin Timberlake. Also, we should add Shia LaBeouf, since he apparently already revealed this surveillance program years ago. (One request to producers: Let Jesse Eisenberg sit this one out, okay?)

Vote in our poll below. You can also make your own suggestions by filling out our comment form … or just type it into Google or Facebook and we’ll ask the NSA what you searched for.

[KharmaTrain]

132. I'm Thinking More...

...Kevin Smith or some nerd-like looking dude to play Snowden...

[flamingdem]

134. True. Skinny and pale would be best

but not too bad looking so it is a hit with the ladeez

[flamingdem]

72. I like your theory, that would be pretty dramatic

I think Morales was filmed on arrival and there was a crowd, etc.

But you never know -- Snowden could have been packed into a piece of luggage!

[Tx4obama]

73. Maybe there was a secret compartment on the plane...

... a compartment that they use to smuggle people, drugs, money, etc.

Who knows

[flamingdem]

75. When he emerged he was covered with snow

... just sayin'

[HipChick]

74. Well we know secrecy is not Snowden's strong point..

so he will soon be compelled to reveal himself..

[flamingdem]

76. True! If he had wifi that was fast enough he'd be blogging from the Novotel

like John MacAfee the crazy American who was doing bath salts in Bolivia

[Tx4obama]

91. What ever ended up happening to MacAfee - I missed the end of that story

[flamingdem]

92. He made it back to the USA and is up to some new project

I forget, what a nut!

[Tx4obama]

100. Here's the latest that Wikipedia has on him

As of January 2013, McAfee is living in Portland, Oregon, intending to work on an autobiography in graphic novel form
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McAfee

[Bolo Boffin]

93. Sorry, but even such luxury gets way old real quick

when it's all you've got to look at.

As prisons go, it's OK. But that hotel wasn't designed for long-term living. And it certainly wasn't designed to be a destination.

[flamingdem]

99. Wikileaks must be running out of money to pay for it too

And Putin running out of patience.

What next?

I agree it must be pretty stultifying after 12 days

[AlinPA]

128. IMO, money is not a problem; his knowledge of NSA innerworkings could be worth a lot and

he can sell it.

[flamingdem]

129. I really think that Wikileaks can't front the money until then

But you're right, he may be making a pay to play deal with Putin.

Where he is there's no private communication so it would have to be Russian approved.

[Ellipsis]

104. Save the drama for your mama

You don't know shit.

[Cha]

114. "It's a hard life on the run.."

I wonder if he's really there?... the article said "he's thought to be there.." but, you know how much bullshit there is right now regarding Snowden.

Article says.. "Putin granted him asylum on the condition that he stops leaking confidential information" .. but, we know for sure he's not going to stop leaking. they ain't no cork in the world big enough to plug that hole.

[flamingdem]

123. Good points Cha

I can't see Putin giving him to the USA. Snowden rejected Russian asylum but that could be a cover story for the deal he's making with Putin.

He's down to the dregs. It's deal or go to prison.

Where's Paul Revere when you need him, he'd help him get outta there on horseback!

[NoPasaran]

127. Speaking of Paul Revere

Lots of people forget (or never knew) that he was captured by the British shortly after leaving Lexington Green and never carried the alarm all the way to Concord.

Most of what people think they know about Paul Revere comes from Longfellow's poem, which is a good and enduring legend but doesn't get bogged down too much in historical accuracy.

[Cha]

148. I certainly didn't know it.. Mahalo, NoPasaran!

[cali]

122. the posts in this thread are almost unimaginably shallow

not a clever one in the dozens.

not a surprise.

[HipChick]

126. Does your ignore function not work?

[cali]

144. why should I put this on ignore and why don't you follow your own

brilliant advice instead of posting in threads you don't agree with?

gee, wonder what the answer to that will be, hipchick?

[HipChick]

145. It's kinda weird that you e-stalk me all over different threads..just to disagree with me

I guess I should be flattered or something.. Use the ignore function if you don't agree, but to follow someone all over ...is just weird..creepy even..

[cali]

146. uh, you posted to me, not the other way around

you actually think I'm following you around?? wow, that's a bit of weird "thinking" right there, hip.

[HipChick]

147. That's funny..since if you read the the thread below, quite a few other DU'ers also think you are

e-stalking me? I think there are quite a few other threads too..let me go find them...but following me around on DU threads all day..is just weird..very weird..

http://upload.democraticunderground.com/10023017026#post12

[HangOnKids]

135. Remember The Snotty Kids In Elemantary School

The ones who raised their hand for every question even though they had no FUCKING clue what the answer was? They are here.

[G_j]

124. what a freakin waste

of a thread, while real issues get ignored.
GD is such a joke.

[brooklynite]

125. UNREC

Since nobody here knows WHERE he is (nb - I can authoritatively state that as of last Friday, he was not in the Business Class lounge, nor was he at the TGI Friday's), what is the point of posting information about a hotel in which he may or may not reside?

[randome]

130. A clone army of Lindsay Mills with gymnastic skills and grappling hooks.

They'll get him out of there, just you wait, then you'll be sorry!

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[flamingdem]

131. These Old School guys could get him out, I heart Ilya, and he speaks Russian!

[randome]

133. Ah, the spies of yesteryear.

Throw in Roger Moore as the Saint and we're good to go!

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[flamingdem]

136. If you remember the Man From Uncle

you might be a chile of the 60s like moi.

I am forever bonded with the US Russia Spy meme on an unconscious level.

Putin is a great character and would have been a perfect bad guy on U.N.C.L.E.

I had this:

[randome]

143. I had Tiger soldiers, which I can't find an image of.

And GI Joe and the Zeroids.

But also the Horrible Hamilton set. Those little blue defenders never stood a chance!



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[flamingdem]

154. That's a great monster

and probably worth a mint now on ebay!

[LittleBlue]

139. Massage, LCD TV, swimming pool

Every decent hotel I've stayed at in the last 10 years has those.

Another farcical OP

[flamingdem]

140. Oh, oh you have SHAMED me by diminishing the import of my post!

How can I possibly survive this disgrace?

[MNBrewer]

149. What's your point

or is it typical of anti-Snowden posts... pointless?

[flamingdem]

150. What's the point of trying to discuss a post you think is pointless?

[MNBrewer]

151. Pure ridicule, actually

[flamingdem]

153. Your side is rarely very witty

as revealed by this example. Like ha ha? Not really

[MNBrewer]

155. You mean the side of the democrats?

I guess I disagree with you then.

[flamingdem]

156. Snowdenites in this case

n/t

[great white snark]

157. Has Greenwald visited or is he off looking for the next big thing?

You know, someone with more luster mayhaps.

[flamingdem]

158. I think he's currently mad that Assange grabbed the spotlight from him

but he's showing up on Chris Hayes show and Fox and Friends so all is not lost.

Supposedly he's got a big bombshell coming via Snowden. Waiting...

I'd guess by now Wikileaks has it too, and maybe Putin, and maybe the Chinese!

[great white snark]

159. I think the bombshell will be that they are now all employed by the Koch brothers.

They get full benefits (no Obamacare) and 15% of book/movie/action figures rights.

[flamingdem]

160. Ha! Breaking News is that Nicaragua has offered asylum

depending on circumstances.

Will they really pay to fly him direct from Moscow?

That will be expensive.

Wonder what their backpedaling plan is to avoid the hassle

[HipChick]

161. or give him a temporary way to leave the transit hotel to their Embassy

I wait till I see him waving from a beach somewhere...