bwahahaha. bullshit. a timely repost: Obama: No wheeling or Dealing for Snowden

[cali]

It could hardly be more demonstrably true that that statement was false.

Obama: No Wheeling or Dealing to Extradite Snowden

The United States won't be scrambling military jets or engaging in high-level diplomatic bartering to get National Security Agency leaker Edward Snowden extradited to the U.S., President Barack Obama said Thursday.

Dismissing him as "a 29-year-old hacker," Obama sought to downplay the international chase for Snowden, lowering the temperature of an issue that has already raised tensions between the U.S. and uneasy partners Russia and China.

Obama said the damage to U.S. national security has already been done and his top focus now is making sure it can't happen again.

"I'm not going to have one case with a suspect who we're trying to extradite suddenly be elevated to the point where I've got to start doing wheeling and dealing and trading on a whole host of other issues, simply to get a guy extradited so he can face the justice system," Obama said at a joint news conference with Senegal's President Macky Sall.


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http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/obama-wheeling-dealing-extradite-snowden-19504503#.UdbpAaysp7k

[Pholus]

1. In general, when something like that is said publically.

The exact opposite is being done privately.

That's what diplomacy is sometimes.

[Catherina]

2. Nick of time! "John Kerry been calling the Venezuelan Foreign Ministry to prevent Snowden's asylum"

Maduro: John Kerry has been calling the Venezuelan Foreign Ministry to prevent Snowden being granted asylum

04 Jul 2013 10:09 pm |

Caracas, July 4. Noticias24) - John Kerry has been calling the Venezuelan Foreign Ministry to try to prevent Edward Snowden from being granted the right of asylum. This was stated by the president of Venezuela, Nicolas Maduro during UNASUR extraordinary meeting held in Bolivia.

John Kerry "has been calling for the Venezuelan Foreign Ministry, withthese methods, trying to pressure and prevent us from acting on the basis of humanitarian law," he said.

He said that "an entire government (the USA) mobilized with the intention of preventing this young man from being protected by international humanitarian law by any country in the world. An entire government willing to delete the right of asylum from the history of public international law. "

...

http://www.noticias24.com/venezuela/noticia/178798/maduro-john-kerry-ha-llamado-a-la-cancilleria-venezolana-para-impedir-que-se-le-otorgue-el-asilo-a-edward-snowden/

Video in Spanish, from yesterday's meeting of UNASUR countries

[cali]

4. this is just getting absurd, in a revolting kind of way.

[Catherina]

8. Really is. They're not even concerned about appearances anymore.Do they have nothing else to do? n/t

[agent46]

39. I think they're very concerned about appearances but

worldwide attention and new revelations of fact by international journalists could be out pacing the political machinery the US has in place to manage perception.

There may be something new here. The civilized world seems to be watching this Snowden drama under a microscope. Everyone has a stake in it and the story keeps percolating to the surface with new details and facts. I don't get as much of the glossy scripted managed news vibe I've gotten used to from corporate media over the last decade or so.

Whatever may be happening behind the scenes with this story, I think the facts are likely to keep bubbling to the surface and everyone will know a lot more sooner or later. Journalists all over the world are investigating it and everyone else in the wired world is either paying attention now or will soon hear about it. New journalistic and activist networks of information are no doubt forming as a result of the Snowden revelations. I'd like to believe this could turn out to be a wake-up call for a renaissance in journalism that overwhelms the propaganda machine of the billionaire club.

The mechanism of international attention has come to play in bringing facts to light for everyone to evaluate and respond. I don't think the political apparatus in this country is keeping up with what may be set in motion by the revelations of worldwide NSA and corporate surveillance programs.

I'm enjoying the lively debate around here lately and am pretty sure these conversations are happening every place people are plugged in. It's rather Democratizing when you think about it.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

3. Let's see . . .

the entire South American continent is pissed. The insult to their honor is taken seriously down there.

EU wants to ban all business with US internet and cloud companies. Oops.

[hootinholler]

5. Well he didn't scramble military jets

Just one particular jet we don't even own.



At this point I consider it confirmed that Snowden must have something big enough to warrant the cluster fuck.

That opens serious questions about who is running foreign policy? Kerry? Alexander? Carrot Top?

[Cleita]

14. It would seem carrot top considering the cluster fuck this has become.n/t

[KittyWampus]

6. this is from June 27th. Why not just kick one of the multiple threads from then?

[morningfog]

9. It's more fun to drive you mad. Lol.

[KittyWampus]

11. Weird you'd think a post on DU would "drive me mad". The only thing "driving me mad" right now

is the summer traffic.

[Skittles]

33. ooh I hear you on that traffic

[cali]

10. in light of new information showing how desperate the admin is to get their

hands on Snowden, kitty, it seemed both timely and quite amusing to repost it, kitty.

[KittyWampus]

13. what new info leads you to say the adminis desperate to get their hands on Snowden?

seriously, I don't know what you're referring to. But I'm not reading news/DU that closely right now.

Work busy.

[morningfog]

16. The stopping and searching of Morales plane.

Playing coy?

[Fumesucker]

20. A blizzard of extradition requests to countries where it's not even known if Snowden is present?

[treestar]

7. I guess this is upsetting?

I know it's also very upsetting all these countries seem to agree or even cater to the perceived US view on Eddie. Looks like he is now stuck, just like Julian is. And his "hosts" are a lot meaner. They may finally get tired and send him back to the US for "torture" nothing like what they could impose if they chose.

[cali]

12. No. But it illustrates that far from being nonchalant as the President portrayed

the admin is desperate as all get out.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

17. I don't think that they're just going to let him walk

and it's certainly appropriate to try to apprehend, um, a wanted criminal leaking government secrets all over the place. Not "scrambling the fighter jets" doesn't necessarily mean that they're not trying to capture him. They're just not going to go to war over it. Where's the contradiction?

[cali]

18. didn't say they would, just pointing out that the President's words

in the OP are contradicted by U.S. actions. duh.

[treestar]

31. How?

There's no proof of anything happening but that several countries are denying Eddie asylum.

[ProSense]

35. Yes, the upset that the U.S. is pursuing a fugitive is hilarious. n/t

[dipsydoodle]

15. I recall those words too.

Lame comes to mind.

[Enrique]

19. he never said he wouldn't do that for Snowden

he said he wouldn't do it for a "29-year-old hacker". Snowden turned 30 in June.

[Thinkingabout]

22. What date did Obama make the statement?

[Hydra]

23. *bwah!*

They need to offer you a job at the Ministry of Truth- funny AND accurate, which hasn't been the case with any of their talking points lately

[treestar]

32. So he got his exact age wrong

Is that filled with any significance?

[Thinkingabout]

21. I don't think Snowden has anything to offer to the world, everybody knows there is surveillance

happening everywhere, your job, the roads, searching for any mud on anyone, when you go to the bank, store and many other places. Snowden is not worth the effort to go and get him, if he should become available I would think the US would arrest him for the crime he is charged of espionage. The FBI knows every key stroke he made while in NSA, know every file he collected and it probably is of no value. He ran to a foreign media and said the NSA was collecting phone call records and this was already known. I know, you have a difficult time understanding why they want to arrest him, well, it is easy, he has admitted taking the files and has now had interviews talking about NSA operations, ergo, charges of espionage is proper.

[Hydra]

24. No, no and no.

We have documents to sue off of, The NSA is freaking out trying to get their hands on Snowden, and they've admitted they don't know what he has, which means he had more access than they initially admitted.

So whatever you feel about the situation, Snowden has managed to make top 10 priority of the US MIC.

[Thinkingabout]

25. Anyone can sue about almost anything, I think who ever has the documents they want to sue

about should come on out with it, we can see what this is all about and who is behind all of this. Make it easy for all of us to know.

[Hydra]

26. The ACLU and others are

They were told they had no standing before this to sue, because the programs are secret and they couldn't prove they existed and had caused them damage to sue over.

So yes, if you really feel that way, sit back, relax and enjoy the ride- more info is coming, and not just from Greenwald and Snowden's stuff.

[Thinkingabout]

27. Snowden does not have any information the FBI does not know about, it is unimportant, the rules

are being followed, it just gives some a subject to run with.

[cali]

28. wow. great to have someone here who has inside information

[Hydra]

29. That's inventive

And possibly accurate. Sort of.

You do know that the FBI had the 9/11 hijackers and were told to back off, right? It's quite possible the people in power all know what they need to, but unless they're following a rulebook not connected the the Constitution, they are certainly NOT "following the rules."

[Thinkingabout]

36. Are you referring to the Fourth Amendment which requires a warrant? The FISA Act enhanced the

Fourth Amendment and the FISA court is issuing the warrants, what rules are you talking about?

[Hydra]

38. Yes, I'm referring to that FISA court

Which ruled in 2011 that the NSA was violating the 4th Amendment...and the Obama Admin is blocking the FOIA request for the ruling.

You know it's bad when a rubber stamp secret court calls you out.

[Thinkingabout]

40. Was the ruling the entire FISA Act or just a section?

[Hydra]

41. We don't know

Because Eric Holder is tapdancing about why we can't see the order. What was revealed is that the NSA was being audited on their data collection and was found to be violating the 4th Amendment. We've been assured by some people that the issue has been corrected, but we don't know- they won't show us the ruling and they won't show us what they are doing.

Bottom line though: They were breaking the law, they probably still are, and the Admin is covering for them.

Snowden's leaks are helping to pry the door open.

That's where we are at the moment.

[Thinkingabout]

42. I dont have the time to check in this right now but there was controversial

Issue in one section but this is why there is oversight by the FISA Court. It does not mean the collection of phone call records is illegal. The FISA Act enhanced the Fourth Amendment and was implemented to halt orders such as came from Nixon on his enemies.

Snowden was illegal in stealing files from the NSA and if he was truly trying to do the right thing he would never have delivered the information to a foreign media source.

[Hydra]

43. I'll give you a link if you want

The FISA court rules are disturbingly loose. Even so, they declared the NSA to be out of bounds.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/06/justice-department-electronic-frontier-foundation-fisa-court-opinion

We also know from Snowden's leaks that private contractors have full access to top secret databases that hold these sorts of documents...and there's apparently no one overseeing them.

There's nothing "right" going on behind the scenes here. It's being kept secret because they know we'd have issues with it if we knew.

[Thinkingabout]

44. Try this link about Section 702 of the FISA Act.

http://www.aclu.org/files/pdfs/natsec/faafoia20101129/FAAFBI0536.pdf

[Savannahmann]

30. You forgot the rolling smily

Otherwise, the Bwahahaha was excellent.

[AnotherMcIntosh]

34. K&R

[jsr]

37. "Everyone Chill The Fuck Out. I'm Going to Catch the Motherfucker

If I Can't Drone Him."