What country is so idealistic and so perfectly in accord with Ed Snowden's views on transparency

[pnwmom]

that it would want to give asylum to a man whose only skill was hacking his own country's secrets, downloading them, and revealing them to the world?

[dawg]

1. Certainly not the United States.

That's for sure.

[dkf]

2. Lol like that's unworthy skill set?

Funny

[pnwmom]

15. Oh sure. It's a great skill set if you don't mind your OWN secrets downloaded

and disclosed to the world.

[dkf]

24. Iceland would be nice...I hope they vote to let him in.

[pnwmom]

31. They already voted not to. n/t

[quinnox]

3. any country that values freedom and gives political asylum

but unfortunately, most of those countries are scared of the big bad USA, and are lackeys willing to do whatever the USA orders them to do. After all, we are KINGS OF THE WORLD!

[Pretzel_Warrior]

4. I think Somalia would work out for him

since he's such a cool Ron Paul Libertarian

[MADem]

10. North Korea...I think the window has closed on Iran now that the dinner jacket is out of a job. nt

[treestar]

5. Only a country without the resources

to have any national security at all.

And then when they got enough money to do so, they would start it. Or lean on the United States for it.

[Pholus]

7. Yes. We help dictators surveil their population too! And PROFIT too! Yay for us!

http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/03/surveillance-inc-how-western-tech-firms-are-helping-arab-dictators/254008/

[treestar]

9. The question is what country is so idealistic

that is does no spying whatsoever? That's the only one pure enough for Eddie and lots of people on DU. They need to locate this Nirvana.

[Pholus]

11. What, so we can have our filters perform "extra" checks on "nirvana?"

Glad to know the neocons had sympathizers here whose only beef with them were that they were wearing the wrong team colors.

[treestar]

13. That makes no sense. The question is what country is good enough for Eddie?

A country that has no state secrets. Which is it? where?

[Pholus]

16. Let me sink to your level of "Eddie" obsession. No country is good enough for him.

If held to your dry-drunk debating 101 definition of black and white of course.

Now that we've answered your ohhhh so deep and clever question let's go on.

What you're REALLY pissed about is that anyone dare question the NSA in its attempt to Hoover everyone.

Who started them down that path?

Yup the neocons.

[treestar]

21. So you've admitted the OP's premise

It upsets you but yes, no country exists that has total transparency.

If it did, it would not survive long.

[Pholus]

22. Wow, yes, I did admit to beating my wife.

What an intellectual you are. Well, played sir.

Any point I was trying to debate is lost in my disgust...

[treestar]

23. Then which country has no state secrets?

Please name it - I am shocked you would not have by now.

[Pholus]

25. You know, I'm curious WHERE you're getting this from.

Someone somewhere said that some level of "idealism" has to involve "no" state secrets whatsoever?

Really.

REALLY.

Prove it!

Quote someone claiming this ideal (in fact, you love "Eddie" so much -- make from his writings -- not that I'd know as I haven't really paid attention to any personal stuff from him).

The alternative (or not replying) is an admission that you tried a (rather dumbassed) strawman.

And LOST.

[treestar]

28. Go back to the OP - which country is so idealistic that Eddie can be comfortable there?

And for that matter, his fans?

[Pholus]

30. Oh, so you want an answer to a strawman rhetorical question and then

take its absence as some kind of affirmation.

Jingoistic thinking.

[treestar]

34. Name the country

[Pholus]

35. Your favorite, Coultervania.

[okaawhatever]

32. Vatican City FTW !! Wait, I'm pretty sure they have a few secrets. Never mind. nt

[chimpymustgo]

18. And we help kill journalists!! USA! USA!

-edit-

In Syria recently, American journalist Marie Colvin and French photographer Rémi Ochlik were killed by a mortar attack that may have been targeted to the locations of their satellite phones. We don't know for sure how the Syrian army tracked them, but Lebanese intelligence had recorded Syrian officials as planning to target Western journalists, and following satellite phone signals is just one of the tech-aided ways they could have done it.

-edit-

http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/03/surveillance-inc-how-western-tech-firms-are-helping-arab-dictators/254008/

[Turbineguy]

6. Galt's Gulch

That's about it.

[cali]

8. good grief. you guys are posting one op sillier than the next.

[mazzarro]

12. All the anti-Snowden are so full of it!

When you completely disregard the issue of the grand surveillance that should worry you and instead focus on disparaging the messenger, then infact you are more disgusting than the foaming-in-the-mouth tea-beggars. You should be called Snowden-baggers - IMHO.

[CakeGrrl]

14. Nice tone from Team Snowden!

Yes, the limits of surveillance warrant a national discussion. There, it's been acknowledged.

Now, what are you doing about advancing that discussion other than flinging names from behind your keyboard?

Have you done anything toward getting congress to impose limits, since they MAKE the laws in this country?

[Pholus]

20. Yup. As a member of both the ACLU and EFF *MY TEAM* tries.

Too bad there are some that don't want that national discussion to occur. Your team, to be precise.

Here is an example of how your "national discussion" is proceeding. You should be so proud of it.

http://www.salon.com/2013/06/10/why_you_cant_sue_the_government_for_spying_on_you/

Who needs "tort reform" when this crap passes for the law of the land...

[CakeGrrl]

37. Bunk.

I don't disagree that the dialogue should be held.

But I am also capable of maintaining that Snowden is accountable for the actions described in the OP, which don't have anything to do with the purported excuse of "exposing" domestic surveillance.

[Pholus]

39. Bunk.

See, I can make the same highfalutin arguments you do.

[randome]

19. While you disregard the fact that S&G failed to get evidence of 'grand surveillance'.

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[randome]

17. North Carolina!

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[ZombieHorde]

26. I have a hard time believing that you believe what you wrote.

I have read your posts for years. I know you're a smart person. I really hope you were snickering when you wrote that.

[morningfog]

27. Asylum claims are not based on one's skills, but rather one's persecution/prosecution

or risk of human rights violations.

[CakeGrrl]

38. Or, in this case,

The country's leader simply wanting to poke the U.S. in the eye. Hardly a warm fuzzy scenario.

[morningfog]

41. A poke in the eye after seeing their neighbor kicked in the crotch.

[FSogol]

29. Purity Island? North High Horseland? Moreliberalthanyouvania?

[MNBrewer]

33. Try that line of reasoning when a cop pulls you over for speeding

"But everyone else on the highway was going as fast or faster than I was, officer. I can't be held accountable for my own speeding when everyone else is doing it...."

[piratefish08]

36. and liberty and justice for all.

not.

[CakeGrrl]

40. Apparently Venezuela, except not really.

Thieves can't be choosers. Not many open arms out there.

[magellan]

42. Any country that doesn't want to prosecute him for whistleblowing. n/t