One of the persons is a LIAR and the other one is dead

[malaise]

Blink away you murderous scumbag. You set out to kill Trayvon Martin.

Go Prosecution!!

[The Magistrate]

1. In The Proverbial Nut-Shell, Ma'am....

[malaise]

3. LOL

[HappyMe]

2. That's pretty much it.

[malaise]

4. I just changed the channel

Can't listen to these defense lawyers

[DesertFlower]

5. they are quite annoying.

[HappyMe]

6. I did too.

I was worried I would fling something at it.

[Control-Z]

12. I've screamed at the TV so many times.

This defense attorney is sickening. I hope the judge is hating him as much as I am right now.

[obxhead]

38. I hope it's the jury hating him.

[Booster]

7. Z is a gun nut who just wanted to know what it feels like to kill someone. There are a lot of them.

[LiberalFighter]

9. There might be a market for that.

Create clones that are not real living beings that these jerks can attack and kill. But the result is so disgusting and scarey that they want to avoid any confrontation.

Can you imagine GZ killing a clone and after the bullet enters the body the body opens up with a venus flytrap type of monster dripping with blood attacking him?

[Hoyt]

19. They have rubber dummies that bleed or heads explode when gun nuts shoot them.

Gallons of water are another favorite for practicing with assault style weapons. Training to shoot people has become sport and very profitable in this country. Just read posts in the gungeon.

[LiberalFighter]

21. But do they have anything that is really realistice

or better yet that will scare the crap out of the shooter?

[Hoyt]

24. Not yet, but stand your ground laws and such give callous gunners options.

[CatWoman]

13. yeah

just check one of my threads

[malaise]

18. Bwaaaaaaaaaaah hahahah

[etherealtruth]

8. That's the way I see it

One person is murderous scum and a liar ... the other is a dead teenager.

There are those that like to flock to these threads ... babbling on "under Florida law ... it is OK to murder someone if that person is afraid of them" .... yeah, that changes everything. Be afraid of Black teenagers and you can kill them.

I have no idea how the trial will end. I am not impressed with the prosecution or the defense. I am also aware that juries are fickle; one never can be sure how they will vote.

In the end it changes nothing. A kid walked to a convenience store and attempted to walk "home" ... a gun toting, police wannabe, yahoo stalked him, got into an altercation with his prey and killed him. One's interpretation of the law doesn't change this.

[malaise]

10. It's that simple etherealtruth

I just don't get it

[DLevine]

11. Thank you. +1 for common sense. nt

[The Magistrate]

14. Hear Hear, Ma'am!

[obxhead]

41. That interpretation doesn't even apply.

IMO stand your ground or self defense doesn't apply in ANY way to this case.

Z was talking to the police BEFORE anything happened and was told to stay in his car, police were responding.

Every event that happened after he was told that was due to an act of aggression by Zimmerman.

[Brigid]

15. All I need to know is this:

George Zimmerman had a gun. Trayvon Martin did not. To me, that pretty much destroys any claim Zimmerman has about self-defense.

[Gin]

27. George brought a gun to a fist fight.....nuff said.

[JDPriestly]

40. Trayvon Martin knocked Zimmerman down without any weapon, and suddenly Zimmerman became so

scared he pulled his gun and shot Martin.

If Zimmerman was afraid, why did he follow Martin? Why did he have to search to find out the name of the street? Had he stayed in his truck, the police would have found Martin.

They always get away. We shall see.

You never know about a jury.

Some crazy detail that seems unimportant to someone not on the jury can completely determine the outcome of the case.

[Rex]

16. I don't know if Zim got out of his car with the intentions of killing the kid.

But he DID get out of the car and kill the kid. Facts are facts.

[malaise]

17. We'll never know his intention but his words spoke volumes

and he did kill him - shot him in the fugging heart.

[Rex]

20. Yes to which Martin said, "gosh you got me!"

And if you believe that, I have some ocean front propriety in Arizona I'd like to sell you.

[malaise]

22. Zimmerman spent way too much time watching old movies

[Rex]

23. Way too much time! Funny how he turned out to be the

Coward of the County.

[Maraya1969]

30. "Your gonna die tonight" was in all the old movies. And Z's testimony.

[malaise]

46. Were I the prosecution I'd have brought in a language expert on Afro-American

teenagers. That would give Zimmerman an extra ten years in the can.

[Bay Boy]

51. I'm not sure I get that...

...what would they do?

[malaise]

52. They would demonstrate that not one Afro-American teenage boy would use the

phrase made up by Zimmerman

[vaberella]

33. Why carry the gun if there is no intent to use in some way or form? n/t

[Rex]

34. True and since he was playing 'watch guard capitan'

the gun would imply that he had it as a deterrent and as a use of deadly force if needed. Or if totally un-needed. No matter how people parse it; a bag of skittles and a can of tea are not comparable items in the Rules of Engagement. Zimmerman acted alone and with premeditation imo.

[vaberella]

36. Agreed. n/t

[HipChick]

25. When the gun was shot, the screams stopped...

Alex for $500 I know who screams that was on the tape..

[malaise]

26. I'll raise that to $2,000

[left on green only]

35. What I don't understand is....

....why they don't have the Zim do his best imitation of "his" famous scream into TM's cell phone connected to a 911 recorder, and then do a sound analysis of the voice pattern to see if it matches the original?

[PennsylvaniaMatt]

28. As Michael Savage said...

"This is an open and shut case....the person who had a gun is alive and the person who didn't is dead"

[freshwest]

49. +1

[suffragette]

29. Apt summation

[John2]

31. Zimmerman shouldn't be

carrying a gun period with his past criminal record. The first person he killed was an innocent kid. I don't believe Martin was trying to kill Zimmerman either with his bare hands. Zimmerman's whole story is ludicrous. Jeanteal said the exact words. It is retarded. Anybody put me on the stand and I would have said the same thing to his lawyers. At lease Martin's mother had the smarts to put him in his place.

If O'Mara came up with that concocted story again about Trayvon slamming Zimmerman's fat Bald head against the concrete, I would have asked O'Mara for a demonstration, using his client's head of course, just how Martin accomplished what he claims.

[Finnmccool]

32. Here's want I think happened

A lot of Zims story is true except the part where he claimed he didn't follow him and he reached for his phone.


I think Zim did follow him and since Zim lied to him and then reached for a gun instead of a phone TM being afraid hit him in the nose.

It was TM screaming because he knew the other guy had a gun.

Zim needed to tweak his story to fit SYG or self defenese.

[JDPriestly]

37. Is Zimmerman on the stand?

I can't believe his lawyer put him up. Risky. Risky.

But then the prosecutor ??????

You got to know beans from butter.

[Voice for Peace]

42. no

not on the stand.

What's being discussed I think is the amazing
(insert appropriate legal term) - response
by John Guy to the defense's request for
a summary judgement of acquittal.

If you saw him give the opening statement..
this was twice as good. For the first time I
thought a second degree conviction was
making sense. He's GOOD and so focused,
no wasted words, doesn't waste anybody's
time or insult anybody's intelligence unlike
OMara and West.

Zimmerman looked increasingly uncomfortable
and was blinking a lot.

[malaise]

47. Zimmerman is on the stand?

I stopped watching after the defense put his mother on the stand

[Voice for Peace]

39. I'm trying to find video of that awesomeness

if anybody has it please post!! I'd like to watch it
again and many missed it altogether.

[Glimmer of Hope]

43. The Motion to Dismiss argument?

Sorry about the tabloid content but this is a good source for trial videos:

[link:http://www.youtube.com/thecount|

[Voice for Peace]

45. thank you!!

looks like a good start..

[Voice for Peace]

44. He wanted to hunt fugitives so badly.. he had to invent one

http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/155532-george-zimmerman-wanted-to-hunt-fugitives-prosecution-says-in-trial/

[malaise]

48. Yes this was all his little escapade

He'd better eat all the home food he can - reality is coming

[Hekate]

50. Bingo. Zimmerman is a wannabe cop and fantasy vigilante.

Zimmerman was acting out his fantasy by being on the Neighborhood Watch, when other HOA members didn't even see the need for him to do this. By carrying a lethal weapon in his self-appointed job, clearly part of his fantasy involved confrontation and death.

And he did it.