Remember another thing about Neighbors testifying in Zimmerman trial

[itsrobert]

They are all potentially could be part of a lawsuit against Zimmerman and the Homeowner's Association. So they do have reason to embellish or make up facts or remember things differently in Zimmerman's (and their) favor.

[WestStar]

1. Report: Trayvon Martin's family settles with homeowners association

(CNN) -- The parents of Trayvon Martin have settled a wrongful death claim against the homeowners association of the Florida neighborhood where the teenager was fatally shot, the Orlando Sentinel reported Friday.
The report of the settlement comes more than 13 months after neighborhood watch volunteer George Zimmerman shot Martin in Zimmerman's neighborhood in Sanford, Florida.
An attorney representing the homeowners association's president declined to comment when reached by CNN Friday afternoon. CNN's attempts to reach Benjamin Crump, an attorney for Martin's parents, weren't immediately successful.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/05/us/florida-martin-settlement

[itsrobert]

3. thanks, I did not know it was settled

n/t

[WovenGems]

2. Book deal

That be far more likely and profitable.

[Wash. state Desk Jet]

4. It seems everything about this case flips both ways

If I recall correctly T.M. had an aunt who is attorney by profession ,is that correct ? The question is pointed toward influences.
Regarding the settlement reached between the Martin's and the homeowners association ,is it possible in theory that maybe Travon had something of a plan in mind ? Turn the tables over on them all perhaps ?

Is it possible word was out and circulating around about a gun nut wannabe cop volunteer neighborhood watch who carries a weapon ? VIGILANTE




I really think it's about guns.

I mean really-all a neighborhood watch volunteer needs is a good set of eyes and ears and a cell phone for which to call the cops.

But he had already decided that the bad guys always get away.So he decided to get in between all that.All that goes down in head.Zimmerman knew nothing about Martin -not a thing.But in his mind he thought he knew all about it. Thats little hero syndrome.

I think the truth is Martin was much smarter than Zimmerman but Zimmerman is most likely a sociopath and socio's are totally unpredictable.Zimmerman was in fact armed and dangerous.

Is it possible Martin was out to get the drop on Zimmerman in the very same way Zimmerman was out to get the drop on Martin ?

Martin was breaking no laws and until or unless it is proven otherwise nor was Zimmerman.

Now than, isn't that a recipe for tragedy ?

It's about guns.

[magical thyme]

5. yeah, um, NO, I seriously do not think so.

Martin walked to the nearby store to pick up candy and soda and was headed for home to watch the game.

Are you suggesting he somehow "knew" that Zimmerman would happen to pass by at the same time, on his way to a different store? And deliberately chose that time to walk to the nearby store in order to create a situation?

Or that a just-turned-17 year old visiting his father was so into HOA politics where his father happened to live that when, by coincidence, they were out at the same time and Zimmerman started following him, Martin recognized Zimmerman and decided to lure him into a confrontation? Instead of trying to get home to the game?

Seriously?

Occam's Razor. Martin was walking home from the nearby store with his candy and soda. A stranger in a car started following him. Martin tried to escape and get home asap by leaving the street and disappearing into the back yards of the complex. The stranger got out of his car and followed him, ending any doubt Martin may have had that he was being followed.

One or the other of them started the confrontation. Personally, having been followed and harassed by a complete stranger once, I wouldn't be surprised if Martin started the confrontation. I know that is exactly what I did, rather than allow my pursuer see where I lived, for fear that he would come back later and get me and my family.

The bottom line is that Zimmerman started the sequence of events, first by following and frightening Martin, and second by failing at any of 2 or 3 clear opportunities to identify himself as a neighborhood watchman. He was practically begging for a confrontation, which he ended by pulling out his gun and killing Martin.

Zimmerman claims that Martin walked around his car staring at him. If that actually happened, instead of rolling his window up, why didn't the neighborhood watchman identify himself as such and ask Martin if he was lost because he noticed he looked unsure of where he wanted to go?

Zimmerman claims that Martin asked him if he had a problem. Again, why didn't the neighborhood watchman ask Martin if he was lost because he noticed he looked unsure of where he wanted to go.

Why? Because Zimmerman wanted the confrontation. He was b.e.g.g.i.n.g. for it.

You don't chase somebody to ground and then get all surprised and cry self-defense when cornered prey fight for their lives. Unless, of course, you wanted to kill that prey all along.

[Wash. state Desk Jet]

6. OK ,you made a valid point or two.

However as I recall and again I do not have link ,Martin was living with his father who is staying with his girl friend.Early on that was news stuff. Martin had a stepmother who Martin's father was legally married to at the time of the shooting. So unless it has changed ,that is who was parenting Martin at the time of the shooting and I think his farther at that time was custodial parent.
That would mean Martin was living with his father who was staying with his girl friend and that further means Martin was living wherever his father was staying.

Your made a valid point about Zimmerman not identifying himself as a neighborhood watch.
But just would you expect from a character such as Zimmerman.

Now if i am correct in that Martin was staying with his custodial parent who as it so happened at that time was his father who was staying with his girl friend in her condo-; Than we must assume Travon Martin too was staying with his father at his girl friends condo. If I am correct on these small details.

And if I am correct about that, than would it not stand to reason that Travon Martin was told about the neighborhood watch thing and in particular about the gun toting wacko watch guy who is Zimmerman ? Would Martin not have been advised to watch out for the wacko with the gun ,the vigilante guy-,Zimmerman ? And advised not to provoke an incident ? Is there not a such thing as parental guide lines administered through parental instruction ?

If I recall correctly through what I read in articles Travon was with his father because he needed his father's hand at discipline. Although I could be wrong. Correct me if I am wrong.
it is not clear to me as of yet which parental custodian made the arrangements for Martin to stay with or be with his father at that time. I don't know if it was at the request or insistence of his natural biological mother ,or if that came about as a result of Martin's stepmother not being able to deal with Mr. Martin's issues at that time .

In about a week the jury will be deliberating and that is when hard questions are put on the table.
25 to life in prison or he walks.

I said -is it possible. It is a hard question .
When the jury deliberates ,it is no longer about skittles or Arizona ice tea.It's not about teenagers doing what they do or smoking pot in boys room.

It's about 25 to life guilty or he walks.

Are you suggesting I have no clue what goes on out there in the streets ?Or that I myself have never been a teenager ?
People like George Zimmerman are a perfect example of just what a neighborhood watch program is not and I think you know why. That is a community nightmare everywhere and in every community.

A person was killed because of that.
And no I am not suggesting that Martin knew Zimmerman would pass him by in that exact moment in time. I am suggesting that it is possible that Martin was warned about the wacko gun toting neighborhood watch guy in the form of parental advisement.
What that could or would mean is Martin MAY HAVE known of Zimmerman but did not know him to see him or know him at all for that matter.


It's about guns.

So the defense is on come Monday.
And we shall see what it brings on.

[magical thyme]

7. my understanding is that he was visiting his father

and I have seen nothing that suggested that his father had custody or that he was there on anything other than a visit.

But I understand now what you are suggesting. He could have been warned to beware of the nutcase. In that case, though, I would expect the prosecution to have called his father as a witness and have him testify that he had specifically warned Trayvon to watch out for the nut and avoid him if he saw him.

[noiretextatique]

10. none of your conjecture about martin or his parents

has any bearing on zimmerman's murder trial. if anything, IF martin was warned about zimmerman, that means other people knew he was a dangerous person. but, you seem to be implying that martin had some motive for getting into a confrontation with zimmerman, and frankly, that is just another crazy, twisted way to blame the victim. for once i will disagree about guns being the problem. if zimmerman had left his gun in the car, martin would probably still be alive. zimmerman's incredibly poor judgement, wannabee cop mentality, overblown sense of entitlement, and attitudes about race seem to be the main problems that lead to this tragedy.

[spanone]

9. i liked the witness that called him 'georgie'....how cute