Edward Snowden: Bolivia summons envoys over jet

[morningfog]

Bolivia has summoned the ambassadors of France, Spain, Portugal and Italy to explain why their countries blocked President Evo Morales' jet last week.

Mr Morales was flying home from Moscow when his plane was forced to reroute to Vienna, amid rumours that US fugitive Edward Snowden was on board.

Mr Snowden, a former CIA contractor, is wanted by the US on charges of leaking secrets about US surveillance schemes.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-23234116#TWEET814922

Hope some answers come from this.

[idwiyo]

1. K&R

[Laelth]

2. k&r for exposure. n/t

-Laelth

[KittyWampus]

3. "Who spread that fallacy, that lie?" Funny, when I asked that I was told it wasn't important.

[HooptieWagon]

6. You think the BBC is lying?

[KittyWampus]

10. Huh? No, I am observing that when -I- asked where the rumor started I was told by your clique

that was not important.

[JDPriestly]

25. KittyWampus, I have posted this information a number of times.

The Falcon 900 should never have flown over Austria. But then the pilot supposedly reported problems with the gas gauge and requested permission to land in Vienna's Schwechat airport. On board the plane which was coming from Moskow and on which was written, "multinational state of Bolivia": President Evo Morales.

It landed around 11 P.M. Soon thereafter, the Vienna foreign ministry received an urgent call. On the other end of the line: US Ambassador William Eacho. As Die Presse discovered, he claimed with great certainty that Edward Snowden, the person sought by the US for having uncovered the most recent surveillance scandal was on board (the plane). Eacho referred to a diplomatic note in which the USA requested the extradition of Snowden.

Die Falcon 900 hätte Österreich nur überfliegen sollen. Doch dann meldeten die Piloten angeblich Probleme mit der Treibstoffanzeige und baten um Landeerlaubnis in Wien-Schwechat. An Bord der aus Moskau kommenden Maschine mit der Aufschrift "Estado plurinacional de Bolivia": Präsident Evo Morales.

Sie landete gegen 23 Uhr. Kurz danach ging im Wiener Außenamt ein dringlicher Anruf ein. Am anderen Ende der Leitung: US-Botschafter William Eacho. Wie "Die Presse" erfuhr, behauptete er mit großer Bestimmtheit, dass Edward Snowden an Bord sei, der von den USA gesuchte Aufdecker jüngster Abhörskandale. Eacho habe auf eine diplomatische Note verwiesen, in der die USA die Auslieferung Snowdens verlangten.

http://diepresse.com/home/politik/aussenpolitik/1426275/USA-verlangten-von-Wien-Snowdens-Auslieferung

At least in Austria, the information that Snowden was on the plane and the request for extradition (which would require an inspection of the plane) clearly came from the US ambassador and the US Embassy.

[morningfog]

9. Really? I thought everyone wanted to know where it orginated,

the lie that SNowden was on board.

[KittyWampus]

11. Not when I asked that question. It'll be an interested news read when we find out

where. Was it the USA? Won't we look stupid (stupider) then!

Although since he was in Russia, how would we know/suspect if he was on board or not.

Last edit- and how will we really know? Who is to say there won't be agreements made on some poor patsy to take the blame?

[HooptieWagon]

12. US involvement is certain.

The US is the only country interested in Snowden. Several EU countries didn't suddenly, independently, and coincidently, decide to deny overflight after the plane took off...breaking several international laws and treaties in the process.
The main question is.......Did the US merely act on foolish speculation, or were they played by a false rumor being fed to them? I suspect the latter, but neither paints the Obama Administration in a good light.

[KittyWampus]

13. As I posted yesterday, Snowden has 'squealed' on France, Germany, England, OZ, NZ

so for you to say the US is the only country with an profound interest in shutting Snowden up is absurd.

Edit- I forgot to mention Canada.

But maybe the rumor did start with the USA.

At this point you don't think diplomats are working on figuring out who to take the fall?

[HooptieWagon]

14. US is only country thats issued an arrest warrant.

Unless you're suggesting those other countries would force down a head of state's plane to arrest a person rumored to be on board, without having even issued a warrant. Pretty far-fetched, but possible in Surveillence State Fantasy Land.

[KittyWampus]

15. The point still remains, there are many first world countries w/a huge stake in shutting up Snowden.

So whether the US is the only country w/ an arrest warrant is less important than the FACT that many other countries #1. want him to shut the fuck up #2. would extradite him in a nanosecond to help the USA shut him up.

Furthermore: S. was in Russia, how would the USA have known? Where did we get the wrong info?

AND: what makes you think there won't be an agreement for someone to take the fall?

[HooptieWagon]

18. OK.

First of all, there are probably journalists at HK and Moscow airports, that observed him boarding or departing the plane. Second, there's other passengers on board the plane, some of whom may have recognized him. Third, aircraft are required to keep a passenger list, given to the country of departure, destination, and those it overflew. So there are hundreds of possible wirnesses to Snowden flying to Moscow.

The countries you cited may have a personal wish Snowden would STFU and be apprehended. They might even detain him and turn him over to the US if he was on their soil. But none of them are likely to violate international law in forcing down a head of state's personal plane on their own initiative. Only the US is a big enough bully to completely disregard intl laws and treaties and think they'll get away with it. They (we) could be right. Maybe we'll find a patsy to take the fall. Maybe not. Leaving the EU countries hanging out to dry sure isn't a good plan to buy their silence, though.

[struggle4progress]

24. ... Snowden was not among the passengers on the Aeroflot flight who emerged into the public area

of Terminal F at Moscow’s Sheremetyevo airport after the flight from Hong Kong arrived ...
Snowden disappears after arrival in Moscow—passengers
Agence France-Presse
11:09 pm | Sunday, June 23rd, 2013
http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/431553/snowden-disappears-after-arrival-in-moscow-passengers

... Scores of reporters and camera crew members crowded around Terminal F at Sheremetyevo International Airport ... The passengers who trooped through the arrival area were besieged by reporters seeking information about Snowden ... But the arriving passengers had little intelligence to offer, saying that they didn’t know whether or not Snowden was on the flight or that maybe he was but they hadn’t been looking for him so wouldn’t have recognized him ...
Edward Snowden out of sight in Moscow
By Kathy Lally,June 23, 2013
http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2013-06-23/world/40152272_1_terminal-f-aeroflot-flight-sheremetyevo-international-airport

... There is also the possibility that he lodged at the "Vozdushny Express" capsule hotel, accessible from the transit area. But the hotel's receptionist told Reuters that Snowden came by on Sunday to check prices, only to never show up again ...
The Moscow Times
Putin Says Snowden in Airport, Shrugs Off 'Nonsense' U.S. Accusations
26 June 2013 | Issue 5155
The Moscow Times
http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/article/putin-says-snowden-in-airport-shrugs-off-nonsense-us-accusations/482323.html

The Vozdushny Express receptionist report seems to be the only alleged citing of him

[morningfog]

28. If any of the countries involved had wanted to extradite

they would have let the plane land. They don't actually want o have anything to do with it because the US has pissed everyone off.

[rhett o rick]

16. Yeah it was probably Canada throwing their weight around and not Pres Obama

who is, what was it you said? Blase'? And you can tell by his smile?

Maybe Clapper is doing it on his own.

[KittyWampus]

17. Yeah, Obama says 'jump' and France, Germany, Spain Etc. all say "how high"...

The entire European continent is Obama's poodle.

Because none of those other countries have any interest in shutting up Snowden.

And I'll post again- at this point, who is to say there won't be some low level patsy to take the fall?

[HooptieWagon]

19. Your title is an apt summary.

Yes, Europe is our poodle. That has been long established, notably when Blair licked Bush's boots in promoting war in Iraq.
The question is, will Europe take the fall in forcing down a head of states plane, when Obama abandoned them to CYA on their own?

[KittyWampus]

20. Well, you've got your narrative absent any real facts. I'm waiting to see the show. BTW, only Blair

went all in w/Bush.

[HooptieWagon]

21. I'd be happy to post a road map of Moscow as "proof". nt

[KittyWampus]

23. I'd be happy to offer you a very special map but your clique would alert it. Such delicate flowers

[longship]

4. Good! R&K nt

[hrmjustin]

5. Good, they should explain themselves.

[HooptieWagon]

7. K&R

Lets hear their pathetic excuses for breaking international laws and treaties. Perhaps they'll even point the fingers at the US, which would send the surveillence state proponents into a apoplexic fit. Break out the popcorn, watch their veins pop!

[Cleita]

8. I hope their diplomats are well trained in diplomacy or this breach of international

law and insult to a the president of a sovereign nation is not going to go away soon.

[Catherina]

22. Demanding "official" answers for an "official" investigation

In an RT interview yesterday, he stated that they're waiting for France, Spain, Italy and Portugal to explain to the world who gave them that information, where it came from, why they didn't comply with international conventions and offer public apologies for their grave insult to all of Latin Amerca. They plan to take this to the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights.

This Friday, July 12, Mercosur is having an emergency summit where Latin American member countries will discuss actions to take.

[HooptieWagon]

26. Good. They have every right to be pissed.

It indeed was a gross violation of International laws and treaties. Best of luck to them.

[Little Star]

27. I'd like to hear their story myself!