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Translation mineSenators Call On Brazil To Grant Asylum To Edward Snowden
Álvaro Dias suggests that Dilma Rousseff cancel her trip as head of state to the U.S. in October
By Júnia Gama
Publicado: 8/07/13 - 17h21
Protesters hold signs with a picture of Barack Obama and the American whistelblower Edward Snowden KENZO TRIBOUILLARD / AFP
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Senator Requião (PMDB-PR) called thewhistleblower of "Hero" and lamented that other countries have offered asylum to Snowden, while Brazil, which was the target of espionage, did not. Senator Eduardo Suplicy (PT-SP) supported his colleague's position.
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Senator Alvaro Dias (PSDB-PR) was harder and demanded that the Brazilian government ask explanations directly from President Barack Obama, and if they were not satisfactory, argued that Dilma Rousseff needs to cancel her trip as head of state to Washington in October.
This allegation is so serious that it is not enough to question the State Department. President Obama has to be questioned, from head of state to head of state. If the explanations are not satisfactory, Dilma has to cancel her official commitment in October. The reaction of Brazil was very timid and too in-line withprotocol. The Brazilian government which generously gave shelter to foreigners as Cesare Battisti, could also do so now with this American citizen, who may even be useful to unravel the mysteries of this International wire-tapping, he said.
Senator Lindbergh Farias (PT-RJ) also positioned himself favorably to the request to provide asylum for the former intelligence analyst. For the senator, the young man put his life at risk by denouncing the scheme of espionage... The inviolability of communication, the right to privacy, is one of the basic principles of democracy and I think this young man, Edward Snowden, has to be treated differently - Lindbergh said.
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(The article goes on like that with more Senators speaking up for Snowden)
http://oglobo.globo.com/mundo/senadores-defendem-que-brasil-conceda-asilo-edward-snowden-8962251
Rex
(65,616 posts)And instead of playing damage control, the WH is playing CYA which only makes them look more guilty to those outside D.C.
Catherina
(35,568 posts)Anyone who didn't see this coming, who tried to minimize it as *nothing to see here*, did the Democrat Party no favors.
Brazil is already pissed off enough about the Morales Plane incident which their President called unacceptable and embarrassing in an official statement for UNASUR. And I guarantee you all the information people have linking the US to that has been sent to their FM. When Morales' plane was forced to land, the Spanish Ambassador kept running back and forth to "consult with our friends". Everyone knows what that meant.
I'm not proud at all of how we're mishandling this.
President Dilma added that the Brazilian government was surprised and appalled by what happened, noting that it would negatively affect relations with Europe. Such a humiliating attitude toward President Morales affects not only Bolivia, but all of Latin America. It harms dialogue and potential negotiations between the two continents. This provocation calls for a prompt explanation and appropriate apologies by the countries involved," she said.
The statement also read, The alleged pretext for this unacceptable conduct the suspicion that Edward Snowden was in the president's plane is fanciful and constitutes a serious violation of international law and practices. [It violates the] rules of civilized relationship between nations. What's even more serious it put the lives of president Morales and his staff in jeopardy.
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http://www.ebc.com.br/english/2013/07/incident-with-morales-harms-dialogue-with-europe-says-brazilian-president
Rex
(65,616 posts)came on the TVEE and issued an apology to the world.
It is the double standard role in which they invented and have no one but themselves to blame - condemn those that get caught spying; yet when YOU get caught, never admit to spying.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)can all make a joint appearance with Obama and apologize as a group to each country.
Sort of like the political version of the Traveling Wilburys.
With a special guest appearance from the head of Venezuela since they spy too.
China & Russia will have to get their own act. Maybe with Iran.
Now Israel
who would get together with Israel
Rex
(65,616 posts)No more so then the US. And absolutely nobody should be shocked that the US is in full CYA mode while trying to chase around a loose cannon.
Water is wet, bears poop in the forest.
If we had a first time for anything, it was that they did it legally now.
Catherina
(35,568 posts)QUESTION: Can I ask a question about Brazil?
MS. PSAKI: Sure.
QUESTION: Could you confirm whether, with or without the consent or an agreement with the Brazilian Government, the United States Government has maintained a database of monitoring or a monitoring center in Brasilia or have ever collected data at the Embassy of Brazil in Washington or at the Embassy of Brazil in the United Nations using physical devices installed in computers and using software such as Highlands, Vagrant, and Lifesaver?
MS. PSAKI: Well, as has been our policy, were not going to comment publicly on every specific alleged intelligence activity. As a matter of policy, we have been clear that the United States does gather foreign intelligence of the type gathered by all nations. I can tell you that we have spoken with Brazilian officials regarding these allegations. We plan to continue our dialogue with the Brazilians through normal diplomatic channels, but those are conversations that, of course, we would keep private.
QUESTION: To clarify, the physical presence of devices of the United States in consulates or embassies of Brazil anywhere in the world, can you confirm that existence or not?
MS. PSAKI: I do not have anything more for you on that.
Go ahead.
QUESTION: Can I have a follow-up on Latin America --
MS. PSAKI: Sure.
QUESTION: -- and Mr. Snowden --
QUESTION: No, no. Still Brazil?
MS. PSAKI: Okay, go ahead.
QUESTION: Yes, yes. I wonder regarding the reaction of Brazilian officials, among them the Minister of Foreign Relations Antonio Patriota, I wanted to know how much this issue can contaminate the visit of President Dilma Rousseff to United States in October.
MS. PSAKI: Well, clearly, as I mentioned, weve been already in touch with Brazilian authorities regarding these allegations and were planning to continue that dialogue. We work with Brazil on a wide range of issues and we are hopeful that we can continue to discuss and resolve through normal diplomatic conversations.
QUESTION: Whos in this side of the diplomatic channel in the U.S. side? Who is talking to the Brazilian Government? Can you tell us?
MS. PSAKI: I dont have any specific readout of officials for on that for you.
QUESTION: Secretary Kerry has talked with Minister Antonio Patriota or --
MS. PSAKI: Not that Im aware of in recent days. Im happy to check on that for you and see if there has been a call Im just not aware of.
QUESTION: Is that the first time that the United States have faced these sort of queries from Brazil, these sort of clarifying requests from Brazil?
MS. PSAKI: Id leave that to you to determine historically if this has been an issue in the past. But obviously, this is a unique case. We all know the history here. Were in close contact and well continue those conversations.
QUESTION: Since 2001, has Brazil agreed to collaborate with United States in data mining or data reporting?
MS. PSAKI: I just dont have anything more on this for you.
QUESTION: Jen, is that (inaudible) Turkish Government --
MS. PSAKI: Hold on, lets finish on Brazil and then we can go to you next, if thats okay.
http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/dpb/2013/07/211603.htm#BRAZIL
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)in all the other countries that play the game. Or they could just yell, 'Simpson's did it first' and start now. Crazy shit.
ReRe
(10,597 posts)Treating him with disrespect, in cahoots with other nations, was one thing. But damn'it, they could have run out of fuel up there and crashed to the ground. Was that the real reason the USA pulled the trick in the first place? Believing that Snowden was on board, could they have wanted Evo's plane to crash? I wouldn't put anything past this sick secret government we have.
Shame on PO for letting the NSA run roughshod out of effing control. They are giving him a black eye (no pun intended) on the international stage now. I will stop there. Yes, I'm self-censoring, so as not to bring down the roof on this thread. In the name of peace, for Christ's sake!
And another thing no one is remembering... isn't the Olympics coming up in Brazil? Will the USA boycott the Olympics, if Evo allows Snowden to come there? Maybe I''m getting my countries mixed up? I do get things mixed up these days... too damn much to keep up with for this old girl.
Amonester
(11,541 posts)for Brazil...
Not something they would be mad about... I presume!
ReRe
(10,597 posts)kelliekat44
(7,759 posts)the US which they have wanted to do for some time. And it satisfies all those folks with tax haven in SA, EU, and the CRB that they can claim a reason other than just plain greed and disloyalty for stashing their wealth elsewhere while reaping all the benefits from the US economy.
noamnety
(20,234 posts)it's a little hard to know or understand laws that the US makes in secret.
byeya
(2,842 posts)still may not take as much action as they could.
SamKnause
(13,110 posts)THANK YOU Brazil !!!!
This U.S. citizen is VERY grateful !!!!!
It is apparent that me and my fellow citizens can not get our government to abide by the rule of law.
They flaunt their lawlessness in our faces at every opportunity.
They are brazen about it and bold with their lies and propaganda.
They will aid, abet, and enable Wall Street to continue their thievery.
The MIC, NSA, CIA, DEA, ATF, FBI and Homeland Security are in the business of selling fear, and business is good.
They hold out their hands for our tax dollars and our government fills them with no questions asked.
We have torturers who write books and appear on TV stating they would do it again.
Our government has sold the future of this country to global corporations.
The agencies that are suppose to protect us have been totally useless.
I appreciate any outside help and welcome the brave whistleblowers.
Our flag should be flying upside down because our country is in great distress.
ReRe
(10,597 posts)ProSense
(116,464 posts)China is making noise too.
Snowden affair clouds U.S. attempts to press China to curb cyber theft
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023202232
ReRe
(10,597 posts)Amonester
(11,541 posts)Rafael Nunes, the Ridiculously Photogenic Homeless Guy.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/26/ridiculously-photogenic-homeless-guy_n_2007113.html
I'm sure he would appreciate their royal fest.
they did just that, several days ago.
longship
(40,416 posts)Thanks for this post.
DeSwiss
(27,137 posts)Catherina
(35,568 posts)DemocracyNow! Glenn Greenwald: "Rogue" Actions of U.S. in Snowden Row Yield Latin American Offers of Asylum
Published on Jul 8, 2013
http://www.democracynow.org - Venezuela, Bolivia and Nicaragua have opened the door to granting asylum to National Security Agency whistleblower Edward Snowden in a standoff with the United States. The offers came after a plane carrying Bolivian President Evo Morales was forced to land in Austria after France and Portugal barred it from their airspace over false suspicions that Snowden was on board. The United States has refused to confirm or deny whether it was responsible. We discuss the latest with Guardian journalist Glenn Greenwald, who broke the NSA surveillance story based on Snowden's leaks last month. In his latest scoop, Greenwald has revealed the NSA has systematically tapped into Brazil's telecommunication network and indiscriminately intercepted, collected and stored the email and telephone records of millions of Brazilians for years. "The U.S. government has been its own worst enemy in this entire episode," Greenwald says. "The idea they would pressure their European allies to block the plane carrying the president of a sovereign state is a really radical and extreme act. It smacks of rogue nation status and the kind of imperialism and colonialism that Latin America has long chafed at. I think that's the reason you're seeing so much support for Snowden in Latin American governments and among the populations as well."