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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWe need to start using the word "Immoral".
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This has nothing to do with religion(while religious people of good will will likely agree with the list below, people who are guided by what Abraham Lincoln would call "the better angels of our nature" I.E., by the strength of their own conscience and and their own humanity)
As believers, for whatever reasons we hold such beliefs, in humane, empathetic and compassionate values in politics, economics, and life, we have the RIGHT to speak in terms of right and wrong.
There are many things we CAN call "Immoral".
We can call massive CEO retirement packages immoral...especially when the companies that disburse them cut the wages. benefits, pensions, and worker safety standards of their non-economic aristocrat employees.
We can call the outsourcing of jobs from this country to other countries immoral, because it harms innocent people here and exploits innocent people there.
We can call the continued use of war by our leaders of both parties immoral, because it no longer solves problems and mainly results in the deaths of people who had nothing to do with the cause of those problems.
We can call the insistence of the international financial community on brutal austerity programs in the countries they loan to, rather than allowing the creation of a system by which whole countries can declare bankruptcy and be relieved of past debts imposed by exploiter nations on to nations of the exploited immoral, because it punishes the poor for the crimes of the wealthy.
We can call demands that countries which have overthrown tyrants must pay the debts incurred by those tyrants immoral, because it punishes the formerly oppressed for the actions OF their oppressors-it's the same thing as making a rape victim not only bear the child of her rapist, but pay for the gun he used to subdue her and the ropes he used to tie her up.
We can call voter suppression laws immoral...because they are implemented for a genuinely evil purpose...the mass reduction of voter participation by voters of the coming Rainbow majority and voters living under exploitation and the threat of poverty(or already IN poverty).
We can call efforts to make it easier for industries to pollute immoral...because such efforts are essentially the same as accepting the idea that, in exchange for "creating jobs" the industries that created them have the right to poison those they employ and those who live near the sites where those industries are located.
There are many other examples others can add below, but the language of morality is a language we need to reclaim...because it conveys the truth of the things we fight against and because it resonates in the hearts and minds of the people of this country and the world.
GeorgeGist
(25,323 posts)Ilsa
(61,698 posts)quotes about feeding the poor, etc. The recent Jimmy Carter quote, too about nit being a Christian nation if we choose to ignore the poor and the hungry, etc.
ananda
(28,877 posts)... immoral minority that rules this country and
much of the world, to the fatal detriment of so
much life and the ecosystem.
Waiting For Everyman
(9,385 posts)I like the reverse reference to Nixon's (bullshit) slogan "the moral majority".
marions ghost
(19,841 posts)LuvNewcastle
(16,858 posts)The "moral majority" came along with Jerry Falwell and the organization by that name.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silent_majority
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_Majority
Response to Ken Burch (Original post)
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handmade34
(22,758 posts)Chemisse
(30,817 posts)And ironic that others are more willing to carry the torch of morality.
But you are so right. I have long wished we could base our decisions on what is right and what is wrong, as opposed to what is politically beneficial and what best satisfies the war machine and the interests of capitalism.
Volaris
(10,274 posts)Outlaw Corporate Personhood
Public Funding of ALL Federal Elections
Have the Dept of Treasury set up a Citizen-funded Credit Union, with a branch office in every State and major city (thereby actually USING our Soverign Currency AS SOVERIGN, I.E., we print what we need, when we need, and then Tax it back out over the course of the next fiscal year), and then encourage other Nations to do the same.
Well, maybe not "easy" per se, but a damn sight better than the jacked up system we have now. If I ever won the honor of Congressional Service, THIS would be the first bill I put on the floor, and then I would put other members in the hospital for the threat of voting against it.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)for existing.
'I'm a Christian so I'm against equality'
and what about the poor sir?
Obama is never a Christian when it comes to money, war or punishment of wrongs done by members of his own political class, only when LGBT people are spoken of. Same goes for the rest of them.
Jesus said any treatment of prisoners is done to Jesus himself, at Gitmo they force feed Jesus because they are Christians.
It never ends and it is a big part of why I do not trust that sort of person. They are immoral and respect nothing, not even the thing they say they worship.
KatyMan
(4,211 posts)will be the first to holler about how moderate Muslims don't speak out against extreme Islam...
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)It needs to go way beyond the Ryan budget however. If we are to address economic justice we have to address many big issues like money in politics, wage suppression, and education.
Chemisse
(30,817 posts)I can respect people who believe and back up their beliefs with actions.
Smarmie Doofus
(14,498 posts)OneGrassRoot
(22,920 posts)Agreed, and well said.
mnhtnbb
(31,405 posts)Glad to see the R's on the defensive for once.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)OneGrassRoot
(22,920 posts)with more people being aware of it and supporting it (if social media is any indication), so there is hope that may happen sooner rather than later.
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)you think the president will call the Koch Brothers or the far right in Congress immoral?
Triana
(22,666 posts)That, and "American Taliban" to describe what the GOP has become.
"Moral Mondays" in NC is meant to do that as well -- calling all these ALEC-derived model bills (made even worse if possible by various state-level Taliban) what they are: IMMORAL.
truth2power
(8,219 posts)with a drone strike and then having your spokesperson excuse it by saying "He should have had a more responsible father", is a mortal sin in my book.
Hopefully I'm still allowed to have a conscience. If I'm not mistaken, the RCC still recognizes the primacy of conscience.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)I'd also say that the various calloused expressions toward serious matters we see on DU are grave errors of their own sort.
truth2power
(8,219 posts)Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)innocent people, torture, air pollution in the name of commerce, and all manner of heinous crime. It's hard to speak with authority on "morality" under those circumstances.
dembotoz
(16,844 posts)during the 30--and this is not really a hitler thread.....
but the observation from one of the characters was that the legal system was moving from right vs wrong to Ayrian vs non ayrian
OnionPatch
(6,169 posts)People have got to stop thinking that morals don't apply to business. The idea that anything is ok if it's done "for business" is destroying us.
The Straight Story
(48,121 posts)Laelth
(32,017 posts)-Laelth
indepat
(20,899 posts)people immoral when it acts primarily in the interest of monied corporate interests rather than we the people, when large profitable corporations often pay little or no Federal income taxes, when large corporation are often not criminally prosecuted for seemingly egregious criminality?
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)kenny blankenship
(15,689 posts)when it describes a witness' answer to a court or to Congress.
In a society that has lost respect for the truth, "law" quickly becomes a term synonymous with "capricious application of arbitrary state power." And "Secret law" is the same thing raised to a power of ten.