Former Senator Mike Gravel believes Obama should be tried for murder.

[ProSense]

Despite his disappointment in senators who oppose the NSA programs, Gravel's disdain for President Barack Obama is even more apparent.

Obama, he says, is "a total fraud" and should be put on trial for murder by the International Court of Justice, a branch of the United Nations commonly known as the World Court. Gravel is confident that Obama would be found guilty.

http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2013/07/09/former-sen-gravel-nsa-leaks-should-have-come-from-senators

I said he has turned into a kook, and was accused of attacking the messenger.

If only I had known this before voting in November.

[Californeeway]

1. If you haven't gotten any attention lately.....

just talk some mad shit on Obama.

[JaneyVee]

2. Hence Sarah Palin's entire existence.

[think]

3. While I disagree with Mike Gravel on this I do think the drone strikes are deplorable

Killing innocent women and children in countries that aren't at war with us is a stain on America.

[The Straight Story]

4. I try to see it from a practical perspective:

Iran goes to war with Mexico and uses drones in the US that kills innocent adults and children. They claim they were after terrorists coming over the border.

Would one say that their leader should be put on trial?

Would they (we) be a kook to say so?

One can get what you are saying, but sometimes we become too Ameri-centric in our views and don't look at the world from outside our own bubble (which is one thing that has aided in causing us problems).


Pakistan Summons U.S. Envoy Over Drone Strike
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/08/pakistan-us-envoy-summoned_n_3407803.html

Yemeni Government Covers Up U.S. Responsibility for Civilian Drone Deaths
Following a 2009 U.S. drone strike on the southern region of al-Majala, which resulted in the deaths of dozens of civilians, Yemen’s then-leader Ali Abdullah Saleh told then-U.S. Central Command chief Gen. David H. Petraeus, “We’ll continue saying the bombs are ours, not yours.” The assurance was made in a U.S. Embassy email, which was later disclosed by WikiLeaks.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022095489

[Hydra]

7. Of course not!

We certainly wouldn't be in Iran the very next day planting our flag in Tehran. We'd spend 3 weeks bombing every square inch of the place first!

Seriously, you hit the nail on the head. If it wasn't for american exceptionalism, we'd never be able to plausibly float how killing random people with remote controlled aircraft is somehow justified and legal.

[1-Old-Man]

24. That is essentially the same defense Zimmerman is using, he was just being practical.

[cpwm17]

5. When presidents do it

those brown people over there aren't really people and murder isn't murder. Former Senator Mike Gravel should know that.

[avaistheone1]

9. When in doubt...

[cpwm17]

10. Great video

Many here understand Nixon. Why can't Mike Gravel? – silly him.

[madrchsod]

6. i think mike has reached that age of cranky old man...

there really is something sad when someone like gravel says things like this.

[AZ Progressive]

8. "He's a traitor, lets hang him!"

[magellan]

11. BS

Bush** and his cabal first, Mikey.

[Blue Bike]

14. Prosense didn't tell you that Gravel called Bush a murderer

If he had told you that, you wouldn't have asked Gravel to say something he already said. From the article:

""Let the World Court prosecute Obama and Bush for the crimes and murders they've committed," he said. "When you take the whole program of the drones, it's unconscionable the number of people killed innocently."

[magellan]

15. I don't see any reason for Obama to be sent to The Hague.

Bush** should have been prosecuted here, THEN sent to The Hague.

So I disagree with Mikey.

[Blue Bike]

17. You typed "Bush first"

You should have said "Bush only," then.

[magellan]

18. I say that to anyone who wants to prosecute Obama. n/t

[Life Long Dem]

12. Bingo!

Despite his disappointment in senators who oppose the NSA programs

He went off the deep end.

[redgreenandblue]

13. So you are saying it is not true?

Or what is your point?

Yes, if Obama was leading a third world country rather than the USA, his actions in office would be sufficient to convict him.

Same goes for previous US presidents.

[Savannahmann]

16. Well there may be a fraud here.

The next line in the story is far more telling. Your decision to snip it is as usual, part and parcel of your pattern. Hell, We expect that kind of thing from Rush Limbaugh, not a Democrat.

The very next line in the news story is the actual quote from Former Senator Gravel....... (drumroll)

"Let the World Court prosecute Obama and Bush for the crimes and murders they've committed," he said. "When you take the whole program of the drones, it's unconscionable the number of people killed innocently."

Don't you ever get tired of carrying the water away from the fire?

[byeya]

20. + + +

[RudynJack]

21. But... but...

there are links. LINKS! And block-quotes! So it must be legit!

[Karmadillo]

22. Thank you for exposing the OP's attempt to mislead us.

[1-Old-Man]

23. I think you're wrong. The next line doesn't say Obama is innocent, quite the contrary.

What is says is that both Obama and Bush are guilty, and I daresay a few other Presidents too.

If President Obama ordered the targeting of any American anywhere in the world without the target having had the benefit of trial, by jury, by his or her peers, with the assistance of counsel, and that person was subsequently killed as a result of his order then he, President Obama, is indeed and in fact a murderer. Either that or the US Constitution has no meaning what so ever. Which is it?

[AgingAmerican]

27. A pattern of low integrity

When dishonesty is repeatedly used to "defend" something, it exposes that something as indefensible. I do not believe that Obama would approve of such sleaze in his "defense".

It makes Obama look worse, not better.

[Dreamer Tatum]

25. Pathetic attempt to mischaracterize

You should clarify what he actually said or delete. Or maybe ask your handlers if they meant to do this , since I'm guessing the only keys on your computer are Ctrl, C, V, and Enter.

[Dreamer Tatum]

26. Prosense, what percent of your 1000-word paeans contain similar selective edits?

I think you've damaged your credibility rather badly here.

[Apophis]

28. Interesting. You conveniently left out the part where he said Bush and Obama should be prosecuted.

You're agenda is showing.

[AgingAmerican]

29. You should have linked to your links, to your links, to your links instead

...of linking to the actual story. Posting just the actual story wrecked your usual level of obfuscation and exposed your complete lack of integrity in this particular case.

The never ending pattern of obfuscation in Obama's "defense" only serves to make Obama look worse, not better.

[Zen Democrat]

30. Mike Gravel ran for president in 2007-08. He was borderline then.

But, he was fantastic when he was in the Senate lo those many years ago when he read the Pentagon Papers into the official record.