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Catherina

(35,568 posts)
Thu Jul 11, 2013, 01:57 AM Jul 2013

Hagel: Cutting $52 billion from Pentagon next year would would have "severe*& unacceptable effects"

Hagel warns lawmakers about effects of Pentagon budget cuts in 2014

By Ernesto Londoño, Wednesday, July 10, 4:13 PM

Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel warned key lawmakers on Wednesday that slashing $52 billion from the Pentagon’s budget next year if across-the-board budget cuts remain in effect would have “severe and unacceptable effects.”

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We urgently need Congressional support in enacting difficult but necessary measures,” Hagel wrote in a letter to Sen. Carl Levin (D-Mich.), the head of the Senate Armed Services Committee, and Sen. James M. Inhofe (R-Okla.), the panel’s ranking member. “If the cuts continue, the Department will have to make sharp cuts with far reaching consequences, including limiting combat power, reducing readiness and undermining the national security interests of the United States.”

The Pentagon’s proposed 2014 budget was drafted under the assumption that the drastic reductions known as sequestration, which requires even cuts across the federal budget, would be replaced by a more flexible, sensible plan. But an alternative to sequestration is appearing increasingly unlikely because the consequences of cuts so far have been less dire than the ominous predictions federal agencies made last year.

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The $52 billion cut would continue to take a toll on training and infrastructure, the Pentagon warned, and squeezing the budget further will lead to a loss of jobs and a disruption of “community life” in areas near military bases.

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/hagel-warns-lawmakers-of-pentagon-budget-cuts-in-2014/2013/07/10/60bf953a-e997-11e2-aa9f-c03a72e2d342_story.html

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Hagel: Cutting $52 billion from Pentagon next year would would have "severe*& unacceptable effects" (Original Post) Catherina Jul 2013 OP
I'm willing to take that risk. Gravitycollapse Jul 2013 #1
Me too.............nt Enthusiast Jul 2013 #12
me three.. DCBob Jul 2013 #15
If Hagel says $50Billion then cut it at least $100Billion byeya Jul 2013 #22
But I thought he was the Republican that was going to make cuts possible! Bonobo Jul 2013 #2
Yeah what happened to that? avaistheone1 Jul 2013 #5
The WAR Machine SamKnause Jul 2013 #3
No, that's the severe and unacceptable effect of a Democrat seating a Republican in the cabinet. pa28 Jul 2013 #4
Like maybe the "severe" and "unacceptable" effects of using that money area51 Jul 2013 #6
Such a tool. Nominated to uphold the status quo. Democracyinkind Jul 2013 #7
They could save billions if they stopped violating the 4th amendment Cronus Protagonist Jul 2013 #8
Exactly how many billion dollar ultimate weapon programs have they reduced trimmed or eliminated? Ford_Prefect Jul 2013 #9
I have a better plan than cutting $52 Billion Sherman A1 Jul 2013 #10
You know what they won't cut? The multibillion dollar corporate welfare Egalitarian Thug Jul 2013 #11
Does that mean we'll stop constructing headquarters buildings we won't use? Savannahmann Jul 2013 #13
Cutting that part of the 'infrastructure' located in other countries (700+ sites bike man Jul 2013 #14
Please let this be the end of the chess messiah bullshit. TheKentuckian Jul 2013 #16
It didn't take long to disprove that theory, did it? kentuck Jul 2013 #17
I'm sure lots. I'd already seen that play in the first term and it turned out to be bull TheKentuckian Jul 2013 #31
Considering the Army found 900M reflection Jul 2013 #18
Of course it would, Catherina! Cutting one thin dime, would immeasurably damage cali Jul 2013 #19
Well there ya go. Autumn Jul 2013 #20
The cuts the Pentagon has already made so far means that... Hubert Flottz Jul 2013 #21
Yeah, to people like General Dynamics, Lockheed, General Electric, Halliburton. hobbit709 Jul 2013 #23
Looks like the military is a huge welfare program burnodo Jul 2013 #24
Maybe they should persue peace then. Coyotl Jul 2013 #25
Oooh! Bite your tongue. Some things are sacred. byeya Jul 2013 #27
Hagel is saying the Bush tax cuts are having "severe and unacceptable effects" Coyotl Jul 2013 #28
Cutting food stamps and Social Security and doubling student loan interest rates will also cause djean111 Jul 2013 #26
They should cut ten times the amount! Roll back the empire of corporations on point Jul 2013 #29
If DOD cannot absorb the $52 billion cut, wonder where those cuts will come from? indepat Jul 2013 #30
Tell me again why Hagel was the "good Republican" we could "accept"? WinkyDink Jul 2013 #32

Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
2. But I thought he was the Republican that was going to make cuts possible!
Thu Jul 11, 2013, 02:02 AM
Jul 2013

L.l,like N,Nixon in China!!!

Isn't that the entire justification for selecting him DESPITE the fact that it reinforces the argument that Dems can't be trusted on Defense?!

SamKnause

(13,108 posts)
3. The WAR Machine
Thu Jul 11, 2013, 02:26 AM
Jul 2013

Blah, blah, blah.

The War Machine needs money.

Blah, blah, blah.

The Spy Machine needs money.

Blah, blah, blah.

There are terrorists under every rock in the U.S. and around the globe.

Blah, blah, blah.

We will keep you safe even if we have to starve you and take your homes and jobs.

Blah, blah, blah.

War profiteers already pay more than their fair share.

We need the public to step up and pay higher taxes.

Blah, blah, blah.

The U.S. will spread 'democracy' around the globe no matter the costs.

The War Machine has bankrupted this country is more ways than one.

pa28

(6,145 posts)
4. No, that's the severe and unacceptable effect of a Democrat seating a Republican in the cabinet.
Thu Jul 11, 2013, 02:56 AM
Jul 2013


This chart showing annual military expenditure among the major world powers says to me we can find savings. Perhaps we should just cut the budget in half and send Hagel a copy of "who moved my cheese".

area51

(11,911 posts)
6. Like maybe the "severe" and "unacceptable" effects of using that money
Thu Jul 11, 2013, 03:32 AM
Jul 2013

to repair our crumbling infrastructure & transitioning to single-payer health care?

Cronus Protagonist

(15,574 posts)
8. They could save billions if they stopped violating the 4th amendment
Thu Jul 11, 2013, 04:28 AM
Jul 2013

Over the long term the cost savings would transform the financial calculations.

Ford_Prefect

(7,901 posts)
9. Exactly how many billion dollar ultimate weapon programs have they reduced trimmed or eliminated?
Thu Jul 11, 2013, 04:38 AM
Jul 2013

No one else on the planet has weapon systems like ours nor needs them. We are by far the biggest military bully on the block. Yet when it comes to reducing costs and winding down the war making machine it is the people, not the weapon systems, that get tossed. It is the trained professionals which are most difficult to replace, along with their supporting infrastructure, when they are needed.

The Ultra weapons are useless if you have no one ready to operate them. They appear to be equally useless if there is no threat on the horizon requiring their presence. Some would argue they are useless in any event since they anticipate more powerful and able enemies than could probably exist. However they are a very useful method for transferring tax money to private weapons building corporations.

Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
10. I have a better plan than cutting $52 Billion
Thu Jul 11, 2013, 04:41 AM
Jul 2013

Every time the DOD complains that this cut is too much, double it.

They will get real quiet, real quick.

 

Egalitarian Thug

(12,448 posts)
11. You know what they won't cut? The multibillion dollar corporate welfare
Thu Jul 11, 2013, 04:48 AM
Jul 2013

payments that we give them so that they can bribe our politicians to increase the welfare payments and prevent any investigations or prosecutions.

 

Savannahmann

(3,891 posts)
13. Does that mean we'll stop constructing headquarters buildings we won't use?
Thu Jul 11, 2013, 07:26 AM
Jul 2013

Perhaps we'll actually start looking at the things we're paying for. I mean, if we spent $34 million on a 64,000 square foot building that is state of the art for headquarters facilities, completing construction within a year of our departure, you have to wonder about the wisdom of those who are demanding no cuts to their budgets.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/a-brand-new-us-military-headquarters-in-afghanistan-and-nobody-to-use-it/2013/07/09/2bb73728-e8cd-11e2-a301-ea5a8116d211_story.html

Seriously, we built this monstrosity in Afghanistan, just as we're pulling out. Then this ass has the audacity to whine about cuts to his budget? It doesn't look like anyone has a clue about spending the money wisely. How many sick people were cured with that building? How many hungry people were fed? What great breakthrough did we move closer to on Climate change? Energy? You name it. It was wasted, money paid to a Contractor who built and set up a building that we never intended to use. What was the Contractor, a relative of someone in the budget office?

 

bike man

(620 posts)
14. Cutting that part of the 'infrastructure' located in other countries (700+ sites
Thu Jul 11, 2013, 07:27 AM
Jul 2013

of various size and manpower), bringing home all the military personnel and families at those sites would be an immediate savings.

No longer having lease payments on those sites, another savings. No salaries for civilian contract workers at those sites, another.

Disperse all the military personnel and families among the bases in the US would be a positive financial impact on the local enonomies affected.

Gradually reduce the overall size of the military via normal attrition as enlistments expire combined with less vigorous recruiting efforts.

Have the Department of Defense become the Department of DEFENSE rather than Police Force to the World.

TheKentuckian

(25,026 posts)
16. Please let this be the end of the chess messiah bullshit.
Thu Jul 11, 2013, 08:18 AM
Jul 2013

Hagel wasn't selected to cut the military, he is just another agent of the status quo and only strengthens the opposition and eats Democratic credibility in these areas.

Team of rivals my ass, it is a team of the same neoliberals with D's and R's next to their names but the ideological spectrum is pretty tight.

"Team of rivals" is a fucking scam, a phony logic designed to cover terrible appointments.

kentuck

(111,103 posts)
17. It didn't take long to disprove that theory, did it?
Thu Jul 11, 2013, 08:22 AM
Jul 2013

That a Republican was put in charge of the Defense Dept so it would be easier to cut defense spending. How many, besides me, fell for that one?

TheKentuckian

(25,026 posts)
31. I'm sure lots. I'd already seen that play in the first term and it turned out to be bull
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 08:13 AM
Jul 2013

So I wasn't inclined to buy it. Dared to hope just a little bit with it being the second term as justification? Sure. Believe? No way, man.

There is a such a thing as dangerous levels of optimism. Good souls are at the greatest risk.

reflection

(6,286 posts)
18. Considering the Army found 900M
Thu Jul 11, 2013, 08:25 AM
Jul 2013

worth of tank parts it didn't know it had earlier this year...

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2013/03/31/187297/dod-inspector-general-finds-900.html

I think they're going to be ok. Cry me a friggin river, Hagel.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
19. Of course it would, Catherina! Cutting one thin dime, would immeasurably damage
Thu Jul 11, 2013, 08:26 AM
Jul 2013

our capacity to defend this country. That's why defense needs a zillion quadrillion dollar increase, right fucking now!!!

And good morning,

Autumn

(45,107 posts)
20. Well there ya go.
Thu Jul 11, 2013, 08:28 AM
Jul 2013

Yeah, right. Now who didn't have this one figured out? My hope is that someday, there just might be an actual Democrat that's "qualified".

Hubert Flottz

(37,726 posts)
21. The cuts the Pentagon has already made so far means that...
Thu Jul 11, 2013, 08:39 AM
Jul 2013

the troops are the ones doing all the tightening of belts and the contractors and arms builders are still living the high life. Always the low man on the chain of command gets the shaft even after some service men and women have done four of five tours in combat zones over the past 12 years. A hell of a way to run a volunteer military.

The cuts need to be made from the fat cats down, instead the other way around. Sequestration needs to be applied to the contract soldiers and the Arms Manufacturers, just like it's applied to the disabled vets and the active duty volunteers. I believe that Chuck Haggle is still just a republican in sheep's clothing.

 

byeya

(2,842 posts)
27. Oooh! Bite your tongue. Some things are sacred.
Thu Jul 11, 2013, 09:10 AM
Jul 2013

We should go back to its old name: The War Department

 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
28. Hagel is saying the Bush tax cuts are having "severe and unacceptable effects"
Thu Jul 11, 2013, 09:21 AM
Jul 2013

I know how to fix that easily

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
26. Cutting food stamps and Social Security and doubling student loan interest rates will also cause
Thu Jul 11, 2013, 09:08 AM
Jul 2013

“severe and unacceptable effects.”
I guess the poor and the students and the elderly could all join the army, though.......

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