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marmar

(77,084 posts)
Thu Jul 11, 2013, 09:45 AM Jul 2013

National Geographic Photographer Arrested Taking Photos Of Kansas Feedlot


A freelance photographer working for National Geographic was arrested on a charge of misdemeanor criminal trespassing in Garden City, Kan., The Associated Press reports.

George Steinmetz, a New Jersey-based aerial photographer, was taking pictures of a feedlot outside Garden City from a paraglider prior to his June 28 arrest with paraglider instructor Wei Zhang. They were held briefly at Finney County jail and each was released on $270 bond.

The Huffington Post reached out to Steinmetz, who would not comment on the advice of his attorney. Steinmetz's work has also appeared in The New Yorker, Smithsonian magazine and in February was featured on NBC's "Today" show. Steinmetz often works from a motorized paraglider, a lightweight machine with a small engine and parachute that he assembles.

Finney Country Sheriff Kevin Bascue told AP the two men were charged because they didn't have permission to take off from private property and hadn't told anyone they intended to take photos. Calls by The Huffington Post to Finney County attorney Susan Richmeier for further explanation were not immediately returned. ........................(more)

The complete piece is at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/11/george-steinmetz-arrested-feedlot_n_3575593.html?ncid=txtlnkushpmg00000037&ir=Politics



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National Geographic Photographer Arrested Taking Photos Of Kansas Feedlot (Original Post) marmar Jul 2013 OP
It's now considered trespassing if you're in a paraglider? mainer Jul 2013 #1
"the two men were charged because they didn't have permission to take off from private property" FSogol Jul 2013 #3
"and hadn't told anyone they intended to take photos." Fumesucker Jul 2013 #8
Still, just another misleading Huffpost headline intended to stir up outrage. FSogol Jul 2013 #14
I thought photography was a good thing these days Fumesucker Jul 2013 #16
When 2 dudes are in your backyard taking photos, let us know how you feel. FSogol Jul 2013 #19
When WovenGems Jul 2013 #21
They should have used a . . . aggiesal Jul 2013 #28
Air rights. Lasher Jul 2013 #13
Ag gag laws. Zoeisright Jul 2013 #33
What other countries PATRICK Jul 2013 #2
Well, we are a nation yesphan Jul 2013 #4
wonder if that will apply to drones? Kali Jul 2013 #5
du rec. xchrom Jul 2013 #6
Why are they afraid of someone taking pictures? What are they hiding is my question. southernyankeebelle Jul 2013 #7
The were arrested for trespass. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #9
The Sheriff says that photography was part of the reason they were arrested Fumesucker Jul 2013 #17
Well it is obvious they knew they were there in the first place. Why didn't they go question southernyankeebelle Jul 2013 #25
If you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear Fumesucker Jul 2013 #10
I totally agree with you. southernyankeebelle Jul 2013 #26
yea i hate that line of thinking also. i have nothing to hide but that doesnt mean i want leftyohiolib Jul 2013 #30
I noticed that the same people who evidently think this was a good bust Fumesucker Jul 2013 #32
too many handmade34 Jul 2013 #11
Maybe they should have gotten permission pipoman Jul 2013 #12
The question is, is the property owner going to press charges? xtraxritical Jul 2013 #23
I'm wondering just how private that property was Warpy Jul 2013 #31
Kick! Heidi Jul 2013 #15
And yet Google Maps can take pictures of our property from satelites or roaming vehicles. sbh Jul 2013 #18
Excelent point and corporations are people too, I understand. xtraxritical Jul 2013 #24
And yet we can't legally take pictures of rampant animal abuse on factory farms. sbh Jul 2013 #34
I may be wrong MuseRider Jul 2013 #20
Florida passed a law making it a 1st degree felony to take pics of any agricultural activity. lpbk2713 Jul 2013 #22
Maybe the cows had modeling contracts Sanity Claws Jul 2013 #27
With the stipulations spelled out in black and white KansDem Jul 2013 #29

mainer

(12,022 posts)
1. It's now considered trespassing if you're in a paraglider?
Thu Jul 11, 2013, 09:46 AM
Jul 2013

I didn't know that cattle feedlots also owned the skies.

FSogol

(45,490 posts)
3. "the two men were charged because they didn't have permission to take off from private property"
Thu Jul 11, 2013, 09:48 AM
Jul 2013

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
16. I thought photography was a good thing these days
Thu Jul 11, 2013, 10:20 AM
Jul 2013

Photos and video can be used to catch criminals, these guys were providing a public service.

If you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear, I heard that somewhere once.

Lasher

(27,598 posts)
13. Air rights.
Thu Jul 11, 2013, 10:15 AM
Jul 2013
...any pilot can fly any aircraft as low as he or she wants, subject to the requirement of maintaining a 500-foot (150 m) distance from people and man-made structures except for purposes of takeoff and landing, and not causing any hazard.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_rights


The part about takeoff and landing trumps air rights of those living near airports, according to the Wiki article.

PATRICK

(12,228 posts)
2. What other countries
Thu Jul 11, 2013, 09:48 AM
Jul 2013

or hotspots have caused National Geo not to film there or get stopped or arrested or shot at? It might be against their own diplomatic interest for the sake of future access for themselves to have a grudge list but it might exist somewhere. Exclude war zones although I think they covered some of those too. North Korea?

GreenStormCloud

(12,072 posts)
9. The were arrested for trespass.
Thu Jul 11, 2013, 10:04 AM
Jul 2013

The place they took off from was private property. Article doesn't say that the reason for arrest was taking pictures. Once you are in the air, you can take all the pictures you want of what is below you. Just like you can take all the pictures you want from a public street.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
17. The Sheriff says that photography was part of the reason they were arrested
Thu Jul 11, 2013, 10:24 AM
Jul 2013

Or at least failing to inform someone, anyone they intend to indulge in photography.

From the OP.

Finney Country Sheriff Kevin Bascue told AP the two men were charged because they didn't have permission to take off from private property and hadn't told anyone they intended to take photos.
 

southernyankeebelle

(11,304 posts)
25. Well it is obvious they knew they were there in the first place. Why didn't they go question
Thu Jul 11, 2013, 12:12 PM
Jul 2013

them as to why they were on the property? Wondering.

 

leftyohiolib

(5,917 posts)
30. yea i hate that line of thinking also. i have nothing to hide but that doesnt mean i want
Thu Jul 11, 2013, 01:42 PM
Jul 2013

the government or anyone keeping track of what i do and where i go

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
32. I noticed that the same people who evidently think this was a good bust
Thu Jul 11, 2013, 01:49 PM
Jul 2013

Seem to be the ones who also tell us that if you have nothing to hide then you have nothing to fear from government surveillance.



handmade34

(22,756 posts)
11. too many
Thu Jul 11, 2013, 10:06 AM
Jul 2013

people and companies with too much to hide... a couple years back I was accosted by security for taking pictures near an oil refinery in Louisiana

 

pipoman

(16,038 posts)
12. Maybe they should have gotten permission
Thu Jul 11, 2013, 10:11 AM
Jul 2013

to take off from that private property. National Geo people don't get to go and do as they please any more than anyone else..

 

xtraxritical

(3,576 posts)
23. The question is, is the property owner going to press charges?
Thu Jul 11, 2013, 12:09 PM
Jul 2013

Most property owners don't care if you cause no damage and leave only footprints behind.

Warpy

(111,277 posts)
31. I'm wondering just how private that property was
Thu Jul 11, 2013, 01:48 PM
Jul 2013

For instance, was it posted? Or was it just land with a convenient rock outcrop to take off from that is owned by an absentee and not posted?

This is just not likely to stand up in court.

 

sbh

(93 posts)
18. And yet Google Maps can take pictures of our property from satelites or roaming vehicles.
Thu Jul 11, 2013, 10:28 AM
Jul 2013

I wonder if they'd arrest a driver of a Google Maps truck, or impound a satelite for that matter. This is just over the top.

MuseRider

(34,111 posts)
20. I may be wrong
Thu Jul 11, 2013, 10:41 AM
Jul 2013

and if I can find out for certain I will update but I don't think the real reason for arrest was because of taking off without permission. I believe there is a law here in Kansas now that does not allow you to take photos of farms or feedlots etc. because those photos can be used for "terrorists" or just to show people how badly the feedlots for their food are run.

I don't have a clue but living here and hearing things that would be my best guess, it was certainly my only guess.

lpbk2713

(42,759 posts)
22. Florida passed a law making it a 1st degree felony to take pics of any agricultural activity.
Thu Jul 11, 2013, 11:04 AM
Jul 2013



Link: http://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2011/1246/BillText/Filed/HTML


The real reason ... so that farmers could do what thet want without having to worry
about those pesky PETA types and so they could abuse work undocumented workers
(and their children) however they wanted to.

Sanity Claws

(21,849 posts)
27. Maybe the cows had modeling contracts
Thu Jul 11, 2013, 12:15 PM
Jul 2013

and the photographer failed to pay the modeling fees.

That makes about as much sense as the story that was reported.

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