Elizabeth Warren...This game is rigged!!

[Playinghardball]

[WillyT]

1. HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!!

[Scuba]

2. Thank you Elizabeth for having the courage to speak the truth.

[another_liberal]

8. That's the ticket!

Make it be.

[polichick]

3. She'd make a great president but Dem leaders...

won't allow it anymore than they allowed Howard Dean to be nominated once he started talking about corporate power.

[yesphan]

9. ^ +1

[longship]

14. I could not support her for POTUS.

First, she will not likely run.

Second, if she runs before her first term as a Senator ends, I won't think very highly of her.

Third, if she managed to get the nomination, I would of course support her.

[jtuck004]

25. Wouldn't be the first Pres that has done that, eh? Do you hold them all to that standard? n/t

[longship]

31. Yup! Including the current one.

Who I voted for twice, but who somehow still naively believes that he can get along with the Republican Party, or something.

He has not been very effective getting legislation through. He has let the Republicans bully him. He is in some respects the weakest president of my life which goes back to Harry Truman.

I still support him; he's incredibly brilliant, but isn't very good with fighting political battles. I wish he would throw down the gauntlet in his second term, but apparently that is not his intention. Too bad. He just doesn't seem to have the political experience. That's why I could not support another without that experience.

I sure don't envy any Democrat running in 2014 and 2016. The unchecked and emboldened Republicans will be out for blood.

Just my opinion. Yours may differ and I am fine with that. I hope I've answered your question.

[jtuck004]

34. Nope. I agree with you. Except

I think if EW were to run and get elected, we would hear and see a far different oration from that seat of power.

And I think it would, as it could have, change the game.

[sulphurdunn]

36. If Warren ever got the nomination

it would mean she had become a pod person.

[longship]

38. I don't know about pods, other than the SciFi reference.

But I would be very disappointed with her -- as well as surprised -- if she abandoned her post midstream to run for POTUS. How anybody here could see this as anything but a bad idea is beyond me.

Democrats need good senators, too. We need her right where she is.

[BlueStreak]

39. We have better chances of electing more progressive Dems in a bunch of seats

The Congress is held in mind-bogglingly low esteem by the public. Clearly they are not governing hard-core right-wing in order to please the public. They are there only to please the giant institutions that prosper from government largesse.

We don't have to elect 30 new Senators to make a huge difference. We need to push out 4 or 5 of the worst of the worst over the next couple of cycles, making it clear to the others that they really don't want to be anywhere near the bottom of that worst-of-the-worst list.

And we need to replace Reid. That will happen naturally in 5 more years, but we need to do it sooner if possible. We have a good base of progressive Senators, and the new leader should put them in the most powerful positions. It already happened with Warren, but it should happen with Franken, Sanders, Murray, Brown, and the other legitimate progressives.

[sulphurdunn]

40. The Party will support anyone

it believes can win a Senate seat. If the Party knew that Warren could win the White House. but she refused to knuckle under to the sugar daddies, she wouldn't get the nomination, and she wouldn't even be a contender if she hadn't already done that.

[HooptieWagon]

78. Need to dump Bill Nelson-FL.

God, he's detestable. He's one Dem I can't vote for, always vote third party. It would be tough to primary him, since DLC/Third Way Dems control the state party...but a bit more progressive candidate could win that seat in GE.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

42. The Senate isn't experience in the Executive Branch....

Traditionally, nominees for President are current or former Governors and it's based on their records at the state level.

These days though it's anyone who can put on a show for the cameras.

[longship]

43. It's experience in politics I am concerned about.

I responded above in this subthread.

Thanks for responding.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

45. Well, the Founders planned to have ORDINARY PEOPLE become President...

They would be appalled to see the career politicians we have today.

They envisioned a farmer or a simple merchant or a sailor. Not this:

[Art_from_Ark]

60. Looking back at Democratic nominees for President since FDR,

the major political positions they held before getting the nomination were as follows:

FDR-- Governor of New York
Harry Truman-- Senator from Missouri, Vice President
Adlai Stevenson-- Governor of Illinois
John F. Kennedy-- Senator from Massachusetts
Lyndon Johnson-- Congressman and Senator from Texas, Vice President
Hubert Humphrey-- Senator from Minnesota, Vice President
George McGovern-- Congressman and Senator from South Dakota
Jimmy Carter-- Governor of Georgia
Walter Mondale-- Senator from Minnesota, Vice President
Michael Dukakis-- Governor of Massachusetts
Bill Clinton-- Governor of Arkansas
Al Gore-- Congressman and Senator from Tennessee, Vice President
John Kerry-- Senator from Massachusetts
Barack Obama-- Senator from Illinois

So as you can see, only 5 of the last 14 Democratic nominees for President have been governors, with all the others serving as Senator at some time during their careers, and 5 of those Senators serving as Vice President before being nominated for President.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

66. Ever see Caligula?

"Every senator believes himself to be a potential Caesar, therefore every senator is guilty of treason. In thought, if not in deed."

-- Tiberius (as played by Peter O'Toole)

[Art_from_Ark]

67. I imagine just about every governor sees him/herself as a potential Caesar as well

The joke in Arkansas at the time was that Governor Bill saw himself as one.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

68. Beats King Mitt and Queen Ann....

I bet she already had the shoes picked out for the Inaugural Balls.

[Art_from_Ark]

69. Not just the shoes

She already had the courtiers picked out as well

[Spitfire of ATJ]

70. "I need a pig!!!!"

[sabrina 1]

87. I can think of several others who ran before finishing their terms in the Senate.

I hope she does run and I would definitely support her.

[longship]

88. Well, it's too early anyway.

I think Warren is going to be an extraordinary Senator. That's where I would like to see her stay for at least one whole term. Dems need somebody like her there.

Plus, I don't think she'll run for president in 2016.

I will not support her if she does, unless she gets the nomination. Then I'll be disappointed in her but will go all-in for the Dem nominee.

I'll not likely change this position before 2016.

Bear in mind, I really like her.

[fascisthunter]

56. because they work for the wealthy class

and throw tiny scraps to the rest, like a dog owner throws leftover scraps to a dog.

[polichick]

62. True - I guess it's up to us to stop accepting the scraps...

and go sniffing around someplace else.

(I'll let you know when I find that place.)

[fascisthunter]

93. sounds good

[mtasselin]

83. right

You are absolutely right we are going to be stuck with Hillary, she would make a great president, but she will surround herself with wall street gangsters and banksters hard to tell them apart. Meet the new boss same as the old boss.

[think]

4. My kind of leadership

[Segami]

5. K&R!!

Dang!

[another_liberal]

6. We must convince this woman to run for President!

She has it in her to be the salvation of our country. We need her in the highest position of power possible.

Warren for President in 2016!

[leftyohiolib]

12. no we need her in the senate or in scotus - presidents cant legislate

[Half-Century Man]

24. Yes right now it is more important to keep her in congress...

...AND SEND HER EFFECTIVE REINFORCEMENTS.

[another_liberal]

58. Maybe so.

The Koch brothers will make it pure hell for whoever does run. I guess maybe I shouldn't wish that on her.

[RC]

20. Why? So she can be put in a straight jacket and neutered as Obama was/is?

No, she can do far more damage to the real enemy, right where she is now.

[siligut]

32. So right

Until we figure out how to neuter their power, they will use it to torture and restrict our people who are trying to fix their wrongs.

[another_liberal]

52. President Obama came into office . . .

President Obama came into office thinking he could be a President for all Americans, Republican as well as Democrat. I do not think Warren would fall into that dead-end trap. For instance: I don't think she would have been so mesmerized by our general officer class that she would have taken five years in office to realize our occupation of Afghanistan was a lost cause. For another instance: I doubt she would have been gullible enough to allow some crooks from Goldman Sachs to convince her she should support a bank bailout with, literally, no obligations or new controls placed on the bankers who received federal funding.

[RC]

54. Obama's campaign rhetoric was so different from his presidenting, that

either he lied his way into the office, or he was quietly taken aside by a couple of suits after he was sworn in and was told what was going to happen if he didn't do as he was told and to just go along. I'm leaning toward the latter.

[another_liberal]

61. Something happened. That much is certain.

I heard Obama speak live in 2008. He became a different man after a few months in office.

Perhaps it's actually as one poster here suggested a few days ago: We had our coup years before Egypt had its.

[fascisthunter]

57. the Media owned by the wealthy class would make it impossible

she would never get the money support as well. Presidents are now elected by lots of cash, out weighing any populists chances to match campaign contributions.

[ctsnowman]

7. K & R

[abelenkpe]

10. K&R

[xtraxritical]

11. k&r

[aggiesal]

13. When I went to college from . . .

1980 to 1984 the state and federal government pretty much paid all of it, with
Pell Grants and state funds.

When I graduated, I had $750 student loan.

The National average at that time was that the government paid 80% of your
education, while the student/family picked up the remaining 20%.

Think about how much in taxes I've paid since 1984? It more then covers the
investment that the government made in me.

Of course the system is rigged. This is your tax cuts at work.

Now the student/family pay 80+% while the government pays <20%.

[ReRe]

26. That's right...

...everything's turned upside down since the 1980s. We are living proof of it. Not just a a ranting cliiche'. Not an idle "put-down." TRUTH. .T-R-U-T-H.

[Hubert Flottz]

15. I LOVE this great lady.

She is my idea of a real patriot.

The game has been rigged, since 1913 or before.

[Phlem]

16. Oh I want her to be the

President so bad!!!

-p

[Cleita]

19. I think the military will do everything to make sure she isn't even making a plane

crash she's in. Remember as President she would also be commander-in-chief. It would be panic time in the Pentagon if an honest and straightforward person like her got to be their superior officer and started asking questions about the military budget.

[Phlem]

21. A sad but true

statement of our political and corporate climate.

-p

[ReRe]

27. Let alone all that raping that's going on in the military ranks...

... betcha she wouldn't put up with that for one minute as Commander -in-Chief. Hi Cleita

[Cleita]

28. No she wouldn't, but there's so much she wouldn't put up with across the board that

it would be hard to get her into office....alive. I hate to say it but even if she gets to the second debate in the campaign, it will start, first the attempts at character assassination and then the real attempts at assassination if she gets through that.

I think a safer place for her is in the Senate and she can do a lot there. Maybe she might even take Harry Reid's job someday and start reforming that branch of government.

[Phlem]

59. Reid had to go yesterday.

he's an enabling knob.

-p

[Paper Roses]

17. K&R

We need more people like Elizabeth Warren in Washington!!!

[SCVDem]

18. Isn't it past time

That Americans get off our fat asses and take to the streets like the rest of the world?

Build that gallows, guillotines and effigies and let the 1% and politicians know they are not safe
from the will of the citizens.

Let's do what the TP was campaigning on and take back our government and country.

This country has gone to shit!

No better time than MLKs anniversary march.

[Cleita]

29. Seems they think they can arrest you for stuff like that. Remember the guy who

chalked protest messages and was arrested for vandalism? Fortunately he got off. Maybe for this they could arrest you for being a litterbug. I don't know. Our justice system is so out of wack these days.

[kairos12]

37. Robespierre and I agree with your message

Bring on the National Razor and the Tumbril Carts

[JDPriestly]

22. My signature line speaks for itself.

[Sherman A1]

23. K&R

[ReRe]

30. I would like to order 450 clones of her, please...

K&R

... right away. She would be great as President of the United States of America, as Majority Leader in the Senate, as Supreme Court Justice, as Attorney General.

[KansDem]

33. I'm liking the Senator more and more...

And I'm a "gray-around-the-temples" white guy!

[kairos12]

35. The Senate is a guilded fraud show designed to protect the one percent

[Berlum]

41. !

[BobbyBoring]

44. Wouldn'y you think

That the "College Republicans" or whatever they call themselves would figure something out by this?

[BlueJac]

46. Speaking the obvious is now something new!!!

Way to go America

[Octafish]

47. Kick for a quotable liberal.

Lots to learn.

[rhett o rick]

48. So far I dont see one single BOG poster here. Do they dislike Sen Warren? nm

[Brewinblue]

49. Noticed the same thing.

Must be a mere coincidence.

[rhett o rick]

50. I think that it's because Sen Warren isnt Ms. Clinton and they see her as competition to the DLC

authoritarian state.

[treestar]

63. We have three and a half years left

To enjoy. 2016 is a long time.

My theory is if she wins we will be in the EWG while you howl in disappointment and rage.

[rhett o rick]

71. Am I supposed to know what EWG is? nm

[OilemFirchen]

72. Do you need it spelled out for you?

[rhett o rick]

73. What was your first clue. It cant mean Eliz Warren Group. That wouldnt make any sense.

[rhett o rick]

75. I am confused. You like Sen Warren? And you think if she wins I would howl in disappointment

and rage? Are you on crack?

[treestar]

81. Yes, you would

It would be the same as it is now.

She would have only the powers of the Presidency, would have to deal with Congress (possibly Republican - I love the way Congress is still denied here).

If the FISA is not amended due to Republican Congresses she would still have it and still use it.

She would need to attempt to get budgets passed and would try to compromise.

You would have the same problem.

Whereas, as a Democratic President, most BOGers would be supporting her and accused of blindly following her thereby.

[zipplewrath]

84. I know what you mean

I know what you mean, almost anyone that gets elected ultimately is going to be dissappointed at some point. I think whay you have to look at in detail here is that many of the people who are claiming they want Warren as President, merely want someone who will put this kind of voice to issues. Obama hasn't been willing to do that, even while appointing people like Warren. He avoided people like Dean and others who would have done this. He has believed in being vastly more "concilaratory" to the GOP, even trying to adopt their ideas in order to gain support.

Basically, these people who are looking for a Warren, will be much happier if they get that person. They'll be less concerned with "winning" than they will be with the results of the bully pulpit. They want someone who will be less likely to use an expression like "sanctamonious" or "professional left" when discussing the resistence from the left than they will to blatantly criticize the extreme right, inclusive of the Tea Party.

[rhett o rick]

86. It is possible that if she made promises like Barack Obama did and then immediately

shifted to the right after her election, then yes you are right. But your logic that Pres Obama is powerless to fight the Patriot Act and domestic spying doesnt cut it. You imply he is forced to appoint Clapper, Mueller, and Comey. Since he was elected he has made no indication that he doesnt completely agree with the Patriot Act and domestic spying.

You say the BOGers would support her. That's interesting because I dont see many posting in threads like this. And if it comes down to her versus Ms. Clinton, based on past behavior, I am betting they side with Clinton and trash Sen Warren.

Would you choose Sen Warren over Ms. Clinton?

Do you favor the repeal of the Patriot Act?

[rhett o rick]

89. There are currently 227 recs for this thread and I dont recognize more than a couple of BOGers.

Why is that?

Same for this thread: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023226323

Currently the top two threads and yet ignored by the BOGers.

[treestar]

90. Asked and Answered

The weird thing is why are you setting up a competition here? Obama can't run again. So you have no reason to alienate the BOG.

You have no reason to expect support from the BOG at this time, because the election is so far away and there is 2014 to try for a Democratic Congress.

Maybe contrary to the constant claims, the ones looking for a Messiah are the ones who gave up on this one and want to spend that next three years thinking of a new one.

Who is going to crash and burn the same in the Presidency. But if the nominee, it is not as if the BOG would object on any ground, so what's the point of your taunting?

[rhett o rick]

92. But one might expect that some might be interested in discussing issues

that Sen Warren is discussing. It's not intended as a taunt. Why would you think that? It seems odd to me that there are certain threads that seem off-limits. Probably just my imagination.

[BornLooser]

51. An avalanche begins with but a single snowflake. I've got Her back.

[Zorra]

53. Logged in just to K&R our next Prez!!! nt

[democrank]

55. Go Elizabeth!

Show those enablers how it`s supposed to be done!

[smirkymonkey]

64. +10.000

I am so proud of my Senator! Go Elizabeth!

[AndyA]

65. Wish I could rec this 1,000 times

And it's just the tip of the Iceberg.

[rhett o rick]

74. We need more like her. Dump the damn Blue Dogs. nm

[Oakenshield]

76. Elizabeth Warren is one of the best, no doub about it.

Can't get enough of this most excellent representative.

[HiPointDem]

77. kr

[defacto7]

79. major MAJOR KICK

[Jasana]

80. "Quotable Liberals" I love it! Taking back our good name! nt

[blkmusclmachine]

82. Well, DUH!

In other news, water is wet...

[dotymed]

85. We ALL KNOW "this game is rigged."

I love that Ms. Warren points this out every chance she gets. She is a Populist Progressive (that is the image that, thankfully, she is projecting). We have been burned too many times by candidates projecting this image until they get elected, this has not been the case with Elizabeth Warren, thank you so much.

I wish that the few, true Progressives (like E.W.) would go a few steps further. Ideally, I would like for them to challenge their own party and the corporate agenda the DLC is promoting through their actions.

My hope is that by doing so, these Real Progressive politicians could, a) change the direction of the democratic party, or b) create a splinter group that operates closer to the real Democratic party as represented by FDR. A "people first" party.

America has a majority of citizens (both d&r) who are fed-up with the corporate takeover of our political system. Both the Eisenhower republicans (there are many) and the FDR Democrats. These groups have a lot in common.

They both want a country that is not controlled by corporations, both want a strong infrastructure and to live in a country that is not a pariah to the world, rather a country where the original American dream is attainable by all and torture, spying on innocents, state-sanctioned murder, etc.. is something that America would never tolerate.

Pre-Reagan, these values were universally accepted as being American values and both parties were damned proud of it.

We have been corrupted beyond measure by the oligarchs, the greedy and corporate, "me-first" thinking that our recent forefathers would have never tolerated. We now find ourselves in a country whose infrastructure is dangerous and obsolete and where the neediest among us are neglected.

Real Americans, the majority, both d&r are sickened by what we have become.

I believe that NOW can be a transformative time in America and I pray that our Progressive leaders have the same vision.
IF we ALL speak up, not at election time but all the time, we the vast majority of Americans can realize that we share a powerful common vision. A vision of a peace loving nation, where people are the focus and innovation in rebuilding our infrastructure is one of our shared goals. A nation where by nullifying "free trade" agreements, we can reach "fair trade" agreements that benefit individuals.

We are always going to have differences of opinions especially when people believe their morals are better, etc.. but we must realize that morals are not to be legislated, freedoms are.

We CAN make this a reality IF our elected leaders are held responsible and our citizens are clear that by working together as individuals united in a just society, we can "agree to disagree" on the small stuff but when it comes to being fair, just and us controlling corporations rather than them controlling us we are UNITED.

A real leader who follows through on those principals must be able to be elected on a "grassroots" level, if not America, as we want
it (and at one time were headed there) ceases to exist.

[woo me with science]

91. A politician with a conscience.

Thank you!