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Tx4obama

(36,974 posts)
Thu Jul 11, 2013, 06:19 PM Jul 2013

Poll: What is your prediction to what the verdict will be?


Zimmerman's Defense will begin delivering their closing argument Friday morning.
The Prosecution will have the opportunity to rebut.
After the judge reads the instructions to the jury they will go into deliberations.
When the jury reaches a verdict the judge will allow it to be announced on the same day even if it is on the weekend.

Vote below as to what verdict you think the six member jury will reach.

36 votes, 1 pass | Time left: Unlimited
2nd degree murder
3 (8%)
Manslaugher
10 (28%)
Not guilty
19 (53%)
Hung jury
4 (11%)
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Poll: What is your prediction to what the verdict will be? (Original Post) Tx4obama Jul 2013 OP
I predict it will be official. nt Deep13 Jul 2013 #1
I cannot pick between 2nd and manslaughter Rex Jul 2013 #2
i'm going with manslaughter, but i'd DesertFlower Jul 2013 #3
Not guilty without a doubt budkin Jul 2013 #4
Reasonable doubt. rainy Jul 2013 #8
Told you. Too obvious. budkin Jul 2013 #38
Couldn't decide between guilty of 2nd degree or outright acquittal so went with Manslaughter. CTyankee Jul 2013 #5
Manslaughter, most likely... 99Forever Jul 2013 #6
NG based on jury makeup and prosecutorial bungles IMO. nt galileoreloaded Jul 2013 #7
I went with 2nd degree. The evidence is there DevonRex Jul 2013 #9
I voted "not guilty" progressivejazzredux Jul 2013 #10
Interesting customerserviceguy Jul 2013 #11
I think the judge will wrap it up tomorrow Tx4obama Jul 2013 #13
Good point customerserviceguy Jul 2013 #18
I believe he is guilty, but they need 6 non-Fox, non-racist, and non-Limbaugh jurors... Demo_Chris Jul 2013 #12
It should be 1st Degree. It was clearly pre-meditated. He just wanted to kill a "negro". sbh Jul 2013 #14
If I had to put money down BainsBane Jul 2013 #15
I predict the jury will say "Manslaughter". Zimmerman should get the top charge but from press stevenleser Jul 2013 #16
I think it will be a hung jury. Prosecution did a lousy job. I voted manslaughter. northoftheborder Jul 2013 #17
I agree with you (and others) that the prosecution did a terrible job. Boomerproud Jul 2013 #22
Bumping up for the late night crew :) n/t Tx4obama Jul 2013 #19
Murder in the Second Degree. n/t ellisonz Jul 2013 #20
The prosecution stumbled often sarisataka Jul 2013 #21
not guilty. prosecution put on a less than convincing case rollin74 Jul 2013 #23
Not guilty, because the prosecution is a hot mess. nt Raine Jul 2013 #24
I wonder how long the jury will take before we hear anything. n/t Tx4obama Jul 2013 #25
Manslaughter ... the evidence shows ... JoePhilly Jul 2013 #26
And Zimmerman never verbalized that he was 'neighborhood watch', so to Trayvon ... Tx4obama Jul 2013 #27
Exactly ... JoePhilly Jul 2013 #28
Not guilty dr.strangelove Jul 2013 #29
I hate to say it, but I think he'll walk. Atman Jul 2013 #30
Not guilty Perez Pradosky Jul 2013 #31
Do you want Zimmerman to be not guilty? hrmjustin Jul 2013 #32
Manslaughter HappyMe Jul 2013 #33
+1. Should be easy. nt bunnies Jul 2013 #34
I think he will walk. Kali Jul 2013 #35
I knew it. Kali Jul 2013 #37
Agreed. The defense was way better budkin Jul 2013 #39
Kick. Seems like we're getting close now, but one never knows. n/t Tx4obama Jul 2013 #36

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
5. Couldn't decide between guilty of 2nd degree or outright acquittal so went with Manslaughter.
Thu Jul 11, 2013, 06:23 PM
Jul 2013

Hung jury is also a possibility. Hard to tell.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
6. Manslaughter, most likely...
Thu Jul 11, 2013, 06:27 PM
Jul 2013

... even tho it's quite clear that he is a murdering scumbucket and his supporters aren't much better.

DevonRex

(22,541 posts)
9. I went with 2nd degree. The evidence is there
Thu Jul 11, 2013, 06:54 PM
Jul 2013

even though the prosecution should have done a much better job. But today he laid the facts out about the lies. A reasonable person will understand those lies mean 2nd degree when added to his bigotry.

The fact that his lies started while he was on the phone with the 911 dispatcher shows that he was determined and angry and deliberately stalked that teenager while carrying a loaded firearm that doesn't even have an external safety. The long trigger pull is the only safety mechanism it has.

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
11. Interesting
Thu Jul 11, 2013, 07:04 PM
Jul 2013

The arguments, including rebuttal, are likely to take all day tomorrow. I can imagine that there will be a day of instructions on Monday, but the jurors will have all weekend to think about all of the evidence and testimony produced at the trial.

Tx4obama

(36,974 posts)
13. I think the judge will wrap it up tomorrow
Thu Jul 11, 2013, 07:20 PM
Jul 2013

The Prosecution's closing argument today was only around 2 1/2 hours long.

So, even if the Defense takes say 4 to 5 hours (tomorrow morning/afternoon) and the prosecution's rebuttal is 1 to 2 hours - then there'd still be plenty of time to read the jury instructions.

This judge doesn't want to keep the jury sequestered longer than she has too.

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Edited to add...
In the Jodi Arias trial in Arizona they couldn't hold court on Fridays. But they can in Florida and I think it's even possible that the jury could deliberate on Saturday - cause they said if the jury reached a decision on the weekend then the judge would allow the verdict to be read on the weekend.



customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
18. Good point
Thu Jul 11, 2013, 07:44 PM
Jul 2013

IF the whole thing is wrapped up by the end of the business day Friday. It seems to have dragged out just a bit longer than was expected. If it had wrapped up by, say a Wednesday, there might be a feeling on the part of the jury to get it over before the weekend, but I do think it possible that deliberations will last pretty much the whole week, barring a hung jury.

If they come back quickly, or take a very long time, it favors GZ. If they take 2-3 days, then it doesn't. If they feel that he is guilty of second degree, then it will take approximately that amount of time to go over each of the instructions and the pertinent evidence.

 

sbh

(93 posts)
14. It should be 1st Degree. It was clearly pre-meditated. He just wanted to kill a "negro".
Thu Jul 11, 2013, 07:28 PM
Jul 2013

Sorry for the pejorative term, but that's what he basically said on the police tape. "They always get away."

The guy is a racist homocidal maniac and needs to be locked up for life. Screw the "neighborhood watch" thing. It had nothing to do with that. That's my job.

I went out last night and confronted a guy in an oddly shaped utility truck (who had hair longer than mine, and no shirt on) and he just said his daughter was dating one of my neighbor's kids. I told him to have a nice evening. I wasn't packing heat.

BainsBane

(53,035 posts)
15. If I had to put money down
Thu Jul 11, 2013, 07:30 PM
Jul 2013

I'd say not guilty on all counts, but that's not the verdict I want. I think manslaughter would be fair.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
16. I predict the jury will say "Manslaughter". Zimmerman should get the top charge but from press
Thu Jul 11, 2013, 07:34 PM
Jul 2013

anecdotes, I don't think the prosecution nailed that charge.

That said, I think they did prove well enough that Zimmerman has some culpability in this situation.

I'm hoping for second degree murder but if I had to bet something significant on the outcome, I would say manslaughter.

Boomerproud

(7,955 posts)
22. I agree with you (and others) that the prosecution did a terrible job.
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 02:43 AM
Jul 2013

I will be surprised if he doesn't walk. The kid is dead and Zimmerman is responsible-end of story.

sarisataka

(18,663 posts)
21. The prosecution stumbled often
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 02:09 AM
Jul 2013

but the evidence does not support his story of how the encounter went. I expect manslaughter.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
26. Manslaughter ... the evidence shows ...
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 02:40 PM
Jul 2013

1) Zimmerman believed Martin was a "suspect", but there had been no crime that night).
2) Zimmerman was unhappy that prior burglary suspects had eluded the local police, even when called.
3) Zimmerman got out of his car and followed Martin.
4) There was a confrontation, the start of which is in dispute. Zimmerman has a very clear motive to initiate such a confrontation. He believes Martin is a suspect and he does not want another suspect to get away. Zimmerman is also armed, which allows him to enter into a confrontation with greater ease.
5) At some point during the confrontation, Zimmerman shoots Martin and kills him.

The only element of this that has any room for debate is #4. But Zimmerman's state of mind is already known.

Tx4obama

(36,974 posts)
27. And Zimmerman never verbalized that he was 'neighborhood watch', so to Trayvon ...
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 02:48 PM
Jul 2013

... Zimmerman was following Trayvon as a stalker in the dark night.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
28. Exactly ...
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 02:51 PM
Jul 2013

... even if one were to accept the defense's suggestion that Martin started the confrontation, the only motive Martin might have is fearing the unknown stalker.

Zimmerman's actions are the ones creating all of the real tension in the situation.

Atman

(31,464 posts)
30. I hate to say it, but I think he'll walk.
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 03:03 PM
Jul 2013

O'Mara made a good case for "reasonable doubt." I totally don't agree, but remember all six jurors have to agree. I see that as unlikely.

Kali

(55,014 posts)
35. I think he will walk.
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 05:12 PM
Jul 2013

he is ultimately and morally responsible, but I don't think the state proved the charges beyond a reasonable doubt, certainly not 2nd degree murder.

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