How do you get caught off guard

[Shankapotomus]

when you believe you've spotted a "criminal" in the area, you out weigh him, you have more defense training than him, you have a gun and, as a community watch person, you are already primed mentally for a possible encounter?

You're on watch, you're hyper viligent, you're aware, you're armed and then BOOM, you're on your back with the kid on top of you?

How is that?

And how was killing Trayvon Martin necessary force if you were able to get up unassisted afterward and not even have to go to the hospital?

You know what?

I think you're lying and I think this Goode witness is flat out lying too. That's why Goode wouldn't commit to his story fully. He said he "wasn't positive" Trayvon was on top or that Zimmerman was screaming. He wanted to give himself an out in case strong evidence was ever presented to the contrary.

I think you caught up with Trayvon, demanded he stay where he was after telling him police were on the way. When Trayvon started to walk away, you physically grabbed him to detain him and a fight ensued. You threw him to the ground on his back where he landed a few kicks to your head and nose. That pissed you off and before he could upright himself from his position on his back, you put all your weight on him, pulled out your gun, and with his torso at a ninety degree angle on the ground, shot him in the chest.

[Rex]

1. I think the jury will find him guilty of second degree murder.

His defense team just made it worse imo.

[Shankapotomus]

2. Did you see the picture

of the front of Zimmerman's boots today?

There were scratch marks on the front of his boots like you would see if someone was on top of someone and the tips of their boots were against a rough sidewalk.

[Rex]

3. Interesting, no did not see the pictures.

But I know what you are talking about, the tips got scuffed up against concrete or something while he was moving around on top.

[Tx4obama]

4. Here's a the photo of the grassy boots

3:32 p.m. ET: De la Rionda shows a picture of Zimmerman's shoes, saying they're wet and have grass on them, which de la Rionda suggests shows Zimmerman wasn't on his back the entire time.

http://www.hlntv.com/article/2013/07/11/george-zimmerman-trial-more-charges-possible

[Shankapotomus]

7. Thank you

But beyond the grass, there are scratch marks on the boots consistent with scraping against a sidewalk.

Every kid knows where those kind of scratches come from. You're horse playing with a friend and the tips of your boots are at an angle to the sidewalk that produces scratches exactly like in the photo.

[Shankapotomus]

5. I think it comes down to

the defense hasn't shown reasonable doubt because Zimmerman's story is weak. So the prosecution, in my mind, doesn't have the burden to refute a reasonable doubt that isn't there.

[noamnety]

20. I'm not convinced about the boots.

Just to be clear, I'm convinced Zimmerman murdered Trayvon for no reason and is lying.

But I wouldn't look too far into the scratches on the boots as evidence. I'm basing that solely on my own workboots. I have no idea how it happened, but the tops of the toes are crazy scratched up, and I haven't done any low crawling on cement or anything else I can think of to cause scratches there. It's like gremlins come in the night while I'm sleeping and run a cheese grater over them.

[Zoeisright]

6. I think that's exactly what happened.

Zimmerman apologists are racist.

[galileoreloaded]

10. how about the ones waiting for a legal verdict? nt

[frylock]

12. on what do you base your opinion that GZ is innocent?

[galileoreloaded]

13. i never intimated an opinion. i dont have one. i believe in due process. nt

[frylock]

14. our speculation will have no bearing upon the juror's decision..

it's human nature to speculate, or hold opinions on these matters. when others attempt to stifle people's opinions, one way or the other, my natural assumption is to believe that that person holds an opinion directly converse to those they have decided to admonish. my apologies if that's not the case.

[galileoreloaded]

15. no worries. not a big fan of speculative behaiviors. in them is born prejudice. nt

[frylock]

16. i'm typically prejudice against those that have shown themselves to be less than honest..

I've seen nothing from the defendant that would lead me to believe a word of his preposterous story.

[galileoreloaded]

17. im not sure, but if I was a def. atty id have a field day w this....

7:16:55 — Gunshot heard on 911 call.[19]

Following the shooting:

7:17 — Officer T. Smith (first there) arrives in squad car at Retreat View.[20]

7:17:40+ — Officer Smith arrives at crime scene.[21]

7:19:07 — Photo taken of Zimmerman's head injuries by a civilian bystander.[22]

7:19:43 — Officer Smith takes Zimmerman into custody.[21]


very tight timeframes.

guy was (and I believe he is) a big wuss and three mins to solidify a story after you just killed a man.....AND keep your story straight? hard for those who have dealt with that stress.

AND Trayvon is "dead from wrong assumptions" according to the prosecutor? i think the jury acquits. we will see.

[galileoreloaded]

8. this is the best way to chart your thoughts

enjoy!

[Rex]

9. Wrong, but why bother really.

I guess you didn't actually read anything in this thread.

[galileoreloaded]

11. hahahahaha.. never realized you and the OP were jurorz. sweet! hows the hotel chicken? nt

[sbh]

18. Caught off guard? Usually when I'm drunk and my wife is involved. It isn't pretty.

And the Z is guilty on all counts. You don't just kill a young kid because he isn't white. That's wrong on every level.

[Shankapotomus]

19. Welcome to DU

Sorry you and the wifey don't see eye to eye on the drinking.

I suppose it could be worse, of course.