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geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 05:09 PM Jul 2013

Harry Reid APOLOGIZED to Senate Dems for the deals he cut with McConnell. It's nuke time.

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/07/the-start-of-the-filibusters-end-94062.html

But Reid said privately it is time to make a change.

In a closed-door caucus meeting Thursday, Reid began by apologizing to his colleagues for cutting bipartisan deals to avert the nuclear option, including at the beginning of this year. And the Nevada Democrat complained that he allowed votes on scores of conservative nominees under former President George W. Bush after a bipartisan coalition headed off the nuclear option in 2005. But Reid said it had been the right thing to do because Bush had won a second term in the White House.

Now, Reid argued, times have changed.

“I ate sh— on some of those nominees,” Reid told his colleagues, according to sources who were present.



The die has been cast unless McConnell blinks.

On Monday, Reid informed President Barack Obama about his intention to use the nuclear option if no deal is struck, sources said, and Obama signaled he would support the effort

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Harry Reid APOLOGIZED to Senate Dems for the deals he cut with McConnell. It's nuke time. (Original Post) geek tragedy Jul 2013 OP
Post again when he actually does something. tblue Jul 2013 #1
This seems the kind of talk that matters. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #3
Cartoon KittyWampus Jul 2013 #31
Never fails to crack me up Maximumnegro Jul 2013 #35
HA! LUV this. And he better not be mistaken about having the 51 votes. ancianita Jul 2013 #38
That Democratic politicians cave into Republicans and corporatists is a fiction that is merrily Jul 2013 #72
There's Reid in front! The one with the glasses. CrispyQ Jul 2013 #86
Well he's a tad bit hurt that he had to eat shit. Autumn Jul 2013 #6
+1. He doesn't seem to realize it's the citizens who have been hurt, not him. nt Honeycombe8 Jul 2013 #47
Yes, our politicians have all done fine. n/t Autumn Jul 2013 #48
All politicians tend to suffer from egocentric and narcissistic thinking. merrily Jul 2013 #73
That IS true. Term limits. We can't get them, though. Apparently. nt Honeycombe8 Jul 2013 #98
Would you put a limit on the time you spent in the Senate or the House? merrily Jul 2013 #106
Yep. Give ourselves raises, no term limits, payolas from lobbyists...it's good to be in the Senate! Honeycombe8 Jul 2013 #108
I can envision Reid blinking Plucketeer Jul 2013 #117
Reid can eat shit until he actually does something Blue Palasky Jul 2013 #62
They can all eat shit until they actually do something, but they don't. merrily Jul 2013 #74
I Agree 100% supercats Jul 2013 #69
+1000, it's like a pathetic game where they pretend to be your freind while screwint your wife. grahamhgreen Jul 2013 #120
This Has To Go Through, Sir The Magistrate Jul 2013 #2
Do you know whether they're scheduling Perez and McCarthy before or after geek tragedy Jul 2013 #7
No Idea, Sir The Magistrate Jul 2013 #10
Ah yes, life. The most curious distraction. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #13
Yep..McConnell seems a'sceerd of what's to come... Volaris Jul 2013 #61
Great insight. Sounds like a great option to me. Ed Suspicious Jul 2013 #77
You aren't the only one asking LittleGirl Jul 2013 #112
Well, they don't have to stand there and actually fillibuster Volaris Jul 2013 #123
Oh for the love of God Just Saying Jul 2013 #4
"if no deal is struck" - So Reid wants another deal with McConnell... n/t PoliticAverse Jul 2013 #5
Depends greatly on the deal. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #8
I want Gitmo closed. Volaris Jul 2013 #63
I want envir. regs enforced & offshore accts taxed if the person/corporation does any business in US wordpix Jul 2013 #110
Exactly. NYC Liberal Jul 2013 #24
If that happens, I'll eat my shortz. Stinky The Clown Jul 2013 #9
If this happens, I'll eat YOUR shorts. Fantastic Anarchist Jul 2013 #17
Ha! Stinky The Clown Jul 2013 #20
Yes, we can at least make this interesting, right? Fantastic Anarchist Jul 2013 #21
Ewwww ...I can only imagine that Stinky the Clown may also have stinky shorts... L0oniX Jul 2013 #87
I believe this is the moment we all have been waiting for. William769 Jul 2013 #11
Well, that and seeing McConnell's flop sweat when it does happen. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #15
Me neither - but I think I'd like to see that turtle explode beveeheart Jul 2013 #27
Impotent is right.. Volaris Jul 2013 #66
And waiting, and waiting, and waiting ... Fantastic Anarchist Jul 2013 #18
This is deja vu all over again. He did the same thing last session. Pull the friggin trigger Harry. rhett o rick Jul 2013 #12
He can't.......HE'S too used to doing what he has to do and the "Trigger" (Guns) run his campaigns.. KoKo Jul 2013 #46
He will be getting a call from the Carlyle Group's Senate liaison. nm rhett o rick Jul 2013 #50
Blow McConnell's political balls to smithereens by nuking 'em indepat Jul 2013 #14
Thank you for that mental image... Jeff In Milwaukee Jul 2013 #109
What is all the lead up about? Hoping to get another upaloopa Jul 2013 #16
+1 leeroysphitz Jul 2013 #81
I will believe it when I see it. n/t Laelth Jul 2013 #19
Grow a spine already or resign. This should've been done YEARS AGO! on point Jul 2013 #22
Really? AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #23
keeping with everyone else - I will believe it when I see it. rurallib Jul 2013 #25
:yawn: n/t Tansy_Gold Jul 2013 #26
I will support Harry Reid if he does this... kentuck Jul 2013 #28
Though it would be bad form and setting a bad example... dballance Jul 2013 #29
It should be ended at the end of this election cycle... kentuck Jul 2013 #32
You are the voice of reason and hope on this.... KoKo Jul 2013 #44
either go nuclear - or shut up. ZRT2209 Jul 2013 #30
Either go nuclear - or hand your gavel to Senator Merkley... cascadiance Jul 2013 #55
Why can't we do both? MurrayDelph Jul 2013 #90
Speaking of which, he has a fundraiser at the zoo here in Portland on August 4th... cascadiance Jul 2013 #92
Listening to NPR - Dionne said "it's about time". Brooks - "but this is a republic - we need to NRaleighLiberal Jul 2013 #33
David Brooks is an asshole! red dog 1 Jul 2013 #52
Just think of he harm he's caused by his dithering. Makes me weary. n/t Peregrine Took Jul 2013 #34
Blah, blah, blah. nt awoke_in_2003 Jul 2013 #36
Um, so something has changed????? nt valerief Jul 2013 #37
Um. Both Bush's elections ARE still in question Mr. David Jul 2013 #39
Guns and Las Vegas... KoKo Jul 2013 #42
Yeah Right! Unknown Beatle Jul 2013 #40
Ohh My Harry! A little too Late to Apologize....or cry.. KoKo Jul 2013 #41
No more deals with the Republicans Cali_Democrat Jul 2013 #43
Harry Reid...LOL SHRED Jul 2013 #45
No Harry! Please. This time McConnell PROMISES to keep the agreement! Kablooie Jul 2013 #49
Kentucky should pay attention to this, this is McConnell's legacy. Firebrand Gary Jul 2013 #51
K&R...Thanks for posting this. red dog 1 Jul 2013 #53
It's well past time BumRushDaShow Jul 2013 #54
Harry, either drop the big one or go join the Repuglikkkan Party and STFU. lastlib Jul 2013 #56
BREAKING!: It's a DONE DEAL! Harry Reid has NUKED the Filibuster! cherokeeprogressive Jul 2013 #57
I'm wishing this for my birthday. byronius Jul 2013 #58
Here's an idea - kick Harry out as Majority Leader! Euphoria Jul 2013 #59
MORE LIES blkmusclmachine Jul 2013 #60
Well I'm not going to swallow my Potassium Iodide just yet Union Scribe Jul 2013 #64
Shit or get off the pot, Harry. We've heard the "might consider the nuclear option" talk before. n winter is coming Jul 2013 #65
I'll believe it when I see it n/t markpkessinger Jul 2013 #67
"Sorry" doesn't feed the bulldog, Harry. rateyes Jul 2013 #68
You've gotta Reid between the lines. tofuandbeer Jul 2013 #70
Not yawning.. ever the optimist. Cha Jul 2013 #71
And, yet, this conveniently hit the press? Reeks of kabuki. merrily Jul 2013 #75
Sorry Harry. 99Forever Jul 2013 #76
Tell me when the man DOES something other than chatter about Republicans. Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #78
Yeah right, been here, heard that life long demo Jul 2013 #79
I'll believe it when he does it Aerows Jul 2013 #80
He waited too long and the country is worse off for it DainBramaged Jul 2013 #82
Watch. He'll end filibusters just in time for the GOP to become the majority next term. Kablooie Jul 2013 #83
My best guess...Not Gonna Happen. nt NorthCarolina Jul 2013 #84
Nice start Harry, BillyRibs Jul 2013 #85
I think Harry's biggest problem... kentuck Jul 2013 #88
That's the issue always---Reid is only as good as his 50th best Democrat. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #89
Fuck you Harry, give the reins to a real Dem, Rebellious Republican Jul 2013 #91
meh, I'll believe it when I see it. Javaman Jul 2013 #93
Recommending with optimism! tosh Jul 2013 #94
He'll probably go nuclear dreamnightwind Jul 2013 #95
Bullshit BlueJac Jul 2013 #96
Not gonna happen. mn9driver Jul 2013 #97
Reid said THAT???!!! elleng Jul 2013 #99
Thanks for the laugh, woo me with science Jul 2013 #100
"...use the nuclear option sulphurdunn Jul 2013 #101
Ole no spine will weasel out somehow boomer55 Jul 2013 #102
The very least that has to happen is make a fillibuster a real fillibuster. Not the phone it in BS.. yourout Jul 2013 #103
He owes US an apology. tpsbmam Jul 2013 #104
Exactly... to the Progressive Wing of his own party who have been telling him this JCMach1 Jul 2013 #107
'Bout F***ING time! nt bluedeathray Jul 2013 #105
Even if Reid was serious sulphurdunn Jul 2013 #111
Reid is very protective of his Democratic caucus... kentuck Jul 2013 #113
I like that analysis. sulphurdunn Jul 2013 #121
Reid was selected by the DLC because he is a corporate tool. Zorra Jul 2013 #114
lol, been there done that. librechik Jul 2013 #115
Sure, Harry. Third Doctor Jul 2013 #116
I love it when peop[le say.. Vietnameravet Jul 2013 #118
Bullies back down when punched back. Knock McConnel on his ass and put the boots to him. mikekohr Jul 2013 #119
Is Reid talking again? davidwparker Jul 2013 #122
 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
3. This seems the kind of talk that matters.
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 05:14 PM
Jul 2013

When you start apologizing for cutting a deal in the past, it makes it tough to cut a deal in the near term.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
72. That Democratic politicians cave into Republicans and corporatists is a fiction that is
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 08:10 AM
Jul 2013

very convenient for Democratic politicians and Republican politicians to support.


It beats thinking that Democrats deliberately cooperate with Republicans and corporations against the 99%.

Neither major Party would survive if people thought that.

Autumn

(45,120 posts)
6. Well he's a tad bit hurt that he had to eat shit.
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 05:15 PM
Jul 2013

Never mind the fact that some of us Democrats have been eating shit for years now because of his actions.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
73. All politicians tend to suffer from egocentric and narcissistic thinking.
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 08:12 AM
Jul 2013

Yet, that is but one of the things that make them so dangeous to the rest of us.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
106. Would you put a limit on the time you spent in the Senate or the House?
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 07:48 AM
Jul 2013

Decent salary,free (to you) health insurance, great offices, staff waiting on you hand and foot, wonderful dining room and gym, lobbyists and captains of industry falling over themselves to make you happy, including jobs for your family members, free fact-finding trips in the U.S. and abroad, visits to the White House, maybe for state dinners or Easter egg rolls, etc. etc. etc. plus the ability to vote on things that matter. And that good ole, lucrative "consulting" job if you get voted out.

In their shoes, I might have a hard time voting for term limits.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
108. Yep. Give ourselves raises, no term limits, payolas from lobbyists...it's good to be in the Senate!
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 09:30 AM
Jul 2013

Even though we get absolutely nothing done & complain when we have to work more than three days in a week!

 

Blue Palasky

(81 posts)
62. Reid can eat shit until he actually does something
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 12:45 AM
Jul 2013

he will eat shit until he uses this nuclear option.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
74. They can all eat shit until they actually do something, but they don't.
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 08:14 AM
Jul 2013

We do.

They eat very well and as often as they choose. Not so the people whom they sell out year in and year out so that the rich can get richer on our dimes(s).

 

grahamhgreen

(15,741 posts)
120. +1000, it's like a pathetic game where they pretend to be your freind while screwint your wife.
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 04:58 PM
Jul 2013
 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
7. Do you know whether they're scheduling Perez and McCarthy before or after
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 05:17 PM
Jul 2013

Last edited Tue Jul 16, 2013, 12:00 PM - Edit history (1)

the NLRB and CFPB nominees?

If he's playing hardball, he's scheduling Perez and McCarthy after the other four.

If he wants to play "let's make a deal" they'll come first.

"Because the Greyjoys are treasonous whores" seems to explain the actions of McConnell etc.

The Magistrate

(95,251 posts)
10. No Idea, Sir
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 05:23 PM
Jul 2013

I actually have not been paying a great deal of attention to things lately; the grand-kids are out of school, and we are doing some refurbishings about the home.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
13. Ah yes, life. The most curious distraction.
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 05:25 PM
Jul 2013

Hope to garden and landscape tomorrow, the rain gods permitting.

Volaris

(10,274 posts)
61. Yep..McConnell seems a'sceerd of what's to come...
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 12:38 AM
Jul 2013

He knows full-well the implications of a Democratic-led Senate that actually can govern the way the demographic majority WANTS them to, as it further marginalizes the Idiot GOP in their quest to run roughshod over things like, oh I don't know, THE POPULAR WILL. I'm not one who advocates turning the Senate into the House, and I DO think there's a danger in that (as mentioned in the original article), but there's a solution: The Nuclear Option isn't the ONLY option; simply repeal the dual-tracking rule, keep the Filibuster, and FORCE the Minority to actually STAND THERE AND FILIBUSTER; FORCE the wailing harpie puppets of the 1% to state why they are defending the 1% against the betterment of the other 99, and that's something I think a lot of us would be ok with. If, at some point in the future, the GOP wants to get pissy and ACTUALLY turn the Senate into The House 2.0, that's a circus I will be HAPPY to let them try and ringlead, 'cause no good will come with it in terms of GOP electoral prospects.

I'm all for changing the Rules on this one, AND I don't want the filibuster destroyed as a protection mechanism of the Minority Position. But sure as hell, I want those fuckers in the Minority to have to stand in the Well of the Senate and tell the American People WHY IT IS the Minority Party is in favor of fucking over the rest of us.

I think this might actually happen this time, but I'm not holding my breath. One too many times before, there have been NO WOLVES.

Also, I have a question as to how this works regarding The Dems needing only 51 votes--I thought that was a thing that could only happen on the first day of a new Session. I know at the beginning of the year, Reid "held the door open" for a little over a month, but what is the mechanism by which this is still possible WITHOUT 60 votes?? I'm asking because I'm stupid, and I know full well that someone here knows the answer=)

LittleGirl

(8,287 posts)
112. You aren't the only one asking
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 10:04 AM
Jul 2013

Why don't they have to stand there and filibuster a bill?
And your last question...why yes, why is it in play now? I thought they couldn't do that after the first day of the session either.

Volaris

(10,274 posts)
123. Well, they don't have to stand there and actually fillibuster
Wed Jul 17, 2013, 07:17 AM
Jul 2013

because of (i think) a late 70's era rules change called Dual-Tracking. Prior to the implementation of dual-tracking, YES, you actually had to hold the floor and speak. Dual-tracking was created to allow the Minority Party to block a piece of legislation until both parties found a way to deal with that particular piece of legislation, and NOT hold up the rest of normal Senate Business while doing so (say, NOT holding up a bill that everyone wanted passed because you were having a fight over what a new tax rate % would be in something totally unrelated).

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
8. Depends greatly on the deal.
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 05:18 PM
Jul 2013

It would appear the NLRB and CFPB, plus the EPA and Labor, nominees are a bare minimum of a concession.

Volaris

(10,274 posts)
63. I want Gitmo closed.
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 12:51 AM
Jul 2013

Filibustering the funding stream needed to do it should ABSOLUTLEY a deal-breaker, and McConnell can rot in hell if he doesn't like it. President Obama wants us to "make him" do these kinds of things and that's FINE with me as a matter of "proper" Constitutional balancing, but if thats going to be the case I want the Majority to actually be able to FORCE HIS HAND. No more of this "Well, I want this done, but Congress won't write the check I need to do it".

Nuh-Uh. I'm DONE watching THAT game get played.

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
110. I want envir. regs enforced & offshore accts taxed if the person/corporation does any business in US
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 10:02 AM
Jul 2013

and taxed at the earned income rate, not at the investment income rate

Stinky The Clown

(67,817 posts)
9. If that happens, I'll eat my shortz.
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 05:21 PM
Jul 2013

How else will these do-nothings continue to do nothing while trying to appear to give a fuck?

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
15. Well, that and seeing McConnell's flop sweat when it does happen.
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 05:25 PM
Jul 2013

I've never seen a turtle explode in impotent rage before.

Volaris

(10,274 posts)
66. Impotent is right..
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 01:11 AM
Jul 2013

He KNOWS there won't be SHIT he can do about it, and as soon as the Senate has a Functional Majority again, it won't take long for the House GOP Majority to disappear into the electoral winds. The GOP know the ONLY thing standing between them and Electoral Oblivion is a House Majority based mostly on gerrymandering. As soon as the Senate can start passing things that most Americans want done, and the House GOP Majority keeps voting those things down, even that gerrymandering won't keep those districts safe. The bi-cameral mudlsinging will be nasty as hell for a while, but there's an old saying in the Senate that the "enemy" isn't the other Senate Party, the "enemy" has always been the House of Representatives, and vice versa.

I say repeal dual-tracking, and let's have a REAL-ASS, OLD-SCHOOL, DEBATE in this country about what the role of Our Government IS. I THINK our side can WIN that fight at this point in our Nations's hsitory. Let's lay the groundwork NOW, so that IF someone like Liz Warren wants to engage that debate as a Presidential candidate, we can have that fight FAIRLY, so that WHEN we win, there will be NO DOUBT that the other side isn't on the same page as the American People.

If that makes The Turtle sweat a little bit, well, then that means he already has some thoughts as to how that fight will go down.
LET that Rat Bastard be afraid.

Fantastic Anarchist

(7,309 posts)
18. And waiting, and waiting, and waiting ...
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 05:42 PM
Jul 2013

This is another stunt by Reid. Give 'em honey, Harry!

I'll eat Stinky The Clown's shorts if he actually does it.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
46. He can't.......HE'S too used to doing what he has to do and the "Trigger" (Guns) run his campaigns..
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 07:47 PM
Jul 2013

along with...well...you know..

So Sad...he pipes up like this and he knows his seat is secure since he was recently re-elected. I don't know who he and Durbin are always apologizing to...it isn't the Left of Dem Party for sure. Sadly. Watching him all these years....it's just so depressing.

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
16. What is all the lead up about? Hoping to get another
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 05:38 PM
Jul 2013

worthless deal? Reid is too much of a pansy ass to do anything about filibuster rules.
He worships at the alter of a bygone era of bipartisanship like Obama did all the while the repubs push their face in big piles of shit

kentuck

(111,110 posts)
28. I will support Harry Reid if he does this...
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 06:34 PM
Jul 2013

After all, it is only on executive nominations, not on regular legislation. and every President has more or less picked his own executive nominations.

I would even support a filibuster on regular legislation if Repubs refused to debate it. As it is now, the Democrats would need to get 60 votes so that the debate would not end. In fairness, it should be the reverse. Those that wish to filibuster should be the ones required to get 60 votes. It's a scam.

 

dballance

(5,756 posts)
29. Though it would be bad form and setting a bad example...
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 06:38 PM
Jul 2013

There is nothing stopping Reid from simply ignoring a filibuster but the Senate rules. Those are not law but an agreement among the senators about how the Senate will operate. So he can simply ignore the filibuster and bring up a bill or a nominee for a vote if he wanted to.

Yes, the GOP would probably try to file a suite with SCOTUS but it's unlikely even the 5-4 Roberts court would invalidate a law or the confirmation of a nominee based on that. The courts have, historically, stayed out of the operations of the other branches.

This would be different from the row over Obama's recess appointments in that the rules for recess appointments are law as part of the Constitution. So it's not out of line for a court to interpret them.

kentuck

(111,110 posts)
32. It should be ended at the end of this election cycle...
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 07:01 PM
Jul 2013

and need a simple majority vote to continue it in the next session of Congress or the Senate, voted on by the new Senate, in 2014, for example. It is extenuating circumstances that is forcing him to do it this time. Mitch McConnell is playing the badass and blocks everything, including personnel to keep the government running. Since we can't try him for treason, this is the last resort.

 

cascadiance

(19,537 posts)
55. Either go nuclear - or hand your gavel to Senator Merkley...
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 09:39 PM
Jul 2013

... who has shown he knows what to do with it and would make sure that constructive things get done when possible, instead of just finding ways of making excuses for things not getting done.

MurrayDelph

(5,300 posts)
90. Why can't we do both?
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 01:57 PM
Jul 2013

I've met and spoken to Jeff Merkley several times, and he has been a great Senator for us in Oregon. I would love to see him in a position of higher authority.

 

cascadiance

(19,537 posts)
92. Speaking of which, he has a fundraiser at the zoo here in Portland on August 4th...
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 02:46 PM
Jul 2013

Was there last year and had a great time talking to him and others there. I think a good turnout for him then might be really helpful to continue to encourage him doing the great things he's been doing recently.

I'm not sure if his lower seniority will allow him to be in line for the speaker position just yet, but I certainly would like to see that happen. Would be a great improvement in making sure the Senate is heading in the right direction.

NRaleighLiberal

(60,018 posts)
33. Listening to NPR - Dionne said "it's about time". Brooks - "but this is a republic - we need to
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 07:03 PM
Jul 2013

protect the voice of the minority"

I could picture Dionne jumping across the desk to strangle Brooks....

 

Mr. David

(535 posts)
39. Um. Both Bush's elections ARE still in question
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 07:21 PM
Jul 2013

even after nearly 10 years after the fact.

Reid's still an idiot. Walk the walk, asshole. Talk's cheap.

Unknown Beatle

(2,672 posts)
40. Yeah Right!
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 07:35 PM
Jul 2013

Harry (Milquetoast) Reid? Really? I'll believe it when he actually does something against the Repugs.

milque·toast
/ˈmilkˌtōst/

Noun
A person who is timid or submissive.

Synonyms
mouse

Yep, sounds like Harry Reid to me. He even has a weak ass sounding voice.

I'll eat anyone's shortz if Reid goes nuclear.

Kablooie

(18,638 posts)
49. No Harry! Please. This time McConnell PROMISES to keep the agreement!
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 08:01 PM
Jul 2013

Don't change anything.
Just trust the Republicans to do the honorable thing and everything will be all...right.
All...riiiggtttt.
Yyyeeeessssssss.
You're getting sleeeeepppyyy. Sleeeeppppyyy.
Keep your eye on the swinging pachyderm and it will be all.....rrrrriiiiii...ggggghhhhttttttt.

There.
That's much better than changing the rules, isn't it?


Firebrand Gary

(5,044 posts)
51. Kentucky should pay attention to this, this is McConnell's legacy.
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 08:04 PM
Jul 2013

Rather than take the opportunity to jab Reid, I will just say, its time to move and look forward. The only way to stop this powerful pull to the right of our country, is in the judiciary.

lastlib

(23,268 posts)
56. Harry, either drop the big one or go join the Repuglikkkan Party and STFU.
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 10:07 PM
Jul 2013

Your feeble attempts to be ""bipartisan" are embarrassing us real Dems, and KILLING the rest of the country. The Repugs had a chance to play nice; they stabbed the 99% in the back. If they don't like having the big one dropped on 'em, well, Fugg 'em. They should've played like grownups.

Euphoria

(448 posts)
59. Here's an idea - kick Harry out as Majority Leader!
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 10:48 PM
Jul 2013

No more "next-times", buddy. You've done enough - for the opposition.

Union Scribe

(7,099 posts)
64. Well I'm not going to swallow my Potassium Iodide just yet
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 12:51 AM
Jul 2013

but who knows maybe Harry is fed up enough to do it.

rateyes

(17,438 posts)
68. "Sorry" doesn't feed the bulldog, Harry.
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 02:15 AM
Jul 2013

You won't do a damned thing about it, so just shut the fuck up!

Cha

(297,503 posts)
71. Not yawning.. ever the optimist.
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 04:01 AM
Jul 2013

"But senators in both parties agreed Thursday that if Reid moves to change the rules by 51 votes, it would be used by the majority in the future to further weaken the filibuster, potentially eliminating the potent procedural weapon altogether one day. While Democrats said they were willing to roll the dice on the nuclear option, believing the GOP would go that route anyway when they get back in the majority, Republicans said Reid’s move all but assured a continued weakening — and eventual demolition — of the filibuster."

Hopefully, not "when".. more like "If" and may it be NEVER!

mahalo, geek



merrily

(45,251 posts)
75. And, yet, this conveniently hit the press? Reeks of kabuki.
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 08:17 AM
Jul 2013

Eating shit kabuki, too. And here we thought that kabuki could not possibly be more unattractive.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
78. Tell me when the man DOES something other than chatter about Republicans.
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 08:30 AM
Jul 2013

He should apologize to the American people as well. He and Mitch indulge and do harm to America and to the Senate.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
80. I'll believe it when he does it
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 09:12 AM
Jul 2013

Not before. We've heard this song several times before, but nothing ever happens. I hope he does.

Kablooie

(18,638 posts)
83. Watch. He'll end filibusters just in time for the GOP to become the majority next term.
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 11:46 AM
Jul 2013

I've lost all faith in the Democrats.
The country is turning against Republican policies by a large majority and the Democrats can't seem to use that power to stop GOP dominance at all.
All we hear day after day is how Tea Party governance is spreading like wildfire.

The Republicans have horrific policies that are damaging everyone's life but the Democrats are like miniature golfers going up against Tiger Woods and can't do anything to stop it.

I know some will crow about the Senate passing the immigration bill but that's stupid. Until the law is passed by both houses it means nothing.

Our government isn't broken, it's just Republican.





 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
89. That's the issue always---Reid is only as good as his 50th best Democrat.
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 01:55 PM
Jul 2013

In other words, the bottom 10% of the Democratic caucus tie his hands.

dreamnightwind

(4,775 posts)
95. He'll probably go nuclear
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 03:58 PM
Jul 2013

after 6 years of Senate obstructionism, shortly before Republicans get the Senate majority in 2014.

We'll be in the minority, and will have weakened our own minority protections. I've heard the Republicans have a great shot at doing just that, getting the Senate majority, any truth to that?

I shudder to think what terrible legislation Obama would sign that comes out of a Republican House and Senate. For this reason, I think he might be wise to make it just about executive appointments, and not about legislation.

Regardless, he's wasted 6 years of Obama appointments, and if the Republicans get Senate control, what will this accomplish? Pretty much nothing, which is probably why Reid is now willing to do it.

He's a classic corporatist, he has little interest in seeing Democrats held responsible to the wishes of the people, it's better for his kind to be able to blame Republican obstructionism.

mn9driver

(4,428 posts)
97. Not gonna happen.
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 04:19 PM
Jul 2013

The 3 or 4 Dems who will "shock" everyone by voting against the rule change have already been picked out.

 

boomer55

(592 posts)
102. Ole no spine will weasel out somehow
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 08:25 PM
Jul 2013

The guy is a joke and should have resigned the leadership position years ago.

yourout

(7,532 posts)
103. The very least that has to happen is make a fillibuster a real fillibuster. Not the phone it in BS..
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 12:41 AM
Jul 2013

they have now.

If you want to fillibuster than fine stand up there and plead your case. Otherwise shutup and vote.

tpsbmam

(3,927 posts)
104. He owes US an apology.
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 01:02 AM
Jul 2013

How sad it is that our representatives forget so often why they're their and who they answer to. Given that you're the Senate leader, Harry, you owe Americans that apology. Now get to it -- enough yacking about it!

JCMach1

(27,568 posts)
107. Exactly... to the Progressive Wing of his own party who have been telling him this
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 08:32 AM
Jul 2013

for how many years now?

 

sulphurdunn

(6,891 posts)
111. Even if Reid was serious
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 10:04 AM
Jul 2013

he knows he can't get 51 votes to end the filibuster because just enough Dems will defect to keep it from happening. It was an obvious joke when Reid mentioned reaching an agreement after confessing that the Republicans hadn't kept the previous one. It's like Charlie Brown giving Lucy a wink and a nod before she pulls the ball away.

kentuck

(111,110 posts)
113. Reid is very protective of his Democratic caucus...
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 10:14 AM
Jul 2013

...especially those that would vote against the filibuster rule change. But, we need to see who those folks are. Democrats need this information to make needed changes in the Party.

A good leader would know how each of his members will vote before a vote is called. Just as a good lawyer does not ask a question he does not already know the answer to.

 

sulphurdunn

(6,891 posts)
121. I like that analysis.
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 05:08 PM
Jul 2013

I might add that a good leader would make it clear in civil but unequivocal terms to DINOs that failure to do what was asked on critical issues to the Party would be a career ending choice, and the DINO would know the leader meant it and had the punch to back it up. I don't think that describes Senator Reid or President Obama.

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
114. Reid was selected by the DLC because he is a corporate tool.
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 10:49 AM
Jul 2013

Many progressives were absolutely horrified when we heard the DLC had selected Reid to be SML. If you want to know why Harry always snatches defeat from the jaws of victory, and why it always it always seems like Harry bends over to make deals with republicans, it is not because he is incompetent. Ever wondered why Harry always manages to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory at the last moment? It is because that is his job--to further corporate interests while convincing us that it is raining while he pisses down our backs. He is a master of politics. Too bad he is not really on our side.

Harry Reid, Gold Member
Is our Senate leader in bed with America's worst polluter?

The Silver State owes its holdout status in part to Senate majority leader Harry Reid, who went from a hardscrabble childhood in a gold town to becoming one of the mining industry's most reliable allies in Congress. Reid has been instrumental in blocking efforts to reform the archaic General Mining Law of 1872, a legal blank check that's allowed miners to take an estimated $408 billion worth of gold and other hard rock minerals from public lands without paying a single cent in federal royalties—ever. When those mines are tapped out or go bust—as they inescapably do—taxpayers are often stuck with the cleanup bill, estimated at more than $30 billion nationwide. But Reid, who owns a handful of defunct gold mines and whose sons and son-in-law have ties to mining companies, has vigorously fought off efforts to make the industry pay its way.

This makes for good politics back home. Even in Elko County, where Barack Obama got just 28 percent of the vote despite making three campaign stops here (what a former Reid staffer considers "an absurd number of times to go to Elko&quot and declaring himself an "honorary Elkonian," Reid is forgiven for being a Democrat. "He has been our biggest proponent," said the miner at Goldie's.

Yet Reid's loyalty to mining has increasingly put him at odds with other Democrats, who have sought to end more than a century of giveaways to the nation's dirtiest industry. It's also been a curious contrast with his own record as an environmentalist and a champion of Nevada's growing urban population. As congressional Democrats once again prepare to drag the mining industry into the 21st century, Reid may be headed for the final showdown between the two seemingly incompatible sides of his political identity.

http://motherjones.com/environment/2009/02/harry-reid-g...


Specifically, Harry Reid has presided over one of the biggest corporate welfare heists in this country's history -- it turns out that the mining industry has stolen $400+ billion of taxpayer dollars without ever having to pay for restoring federal lands that they had gutted after they were done mining the lands. And in a blatant conflict of interest, it turns out that Harry Reid owns several such defunct mining companies and his sons have financial interests in several others. In other words, Harry Reid is not working for the common good. He is in it for the benefit of himself.

Coal, oil, and gas companies, as the article notes, have to kick back anywhere from 8 to 17% of their revenues back to the government annually. But thanks to Harry Reid and his cronies, the mining industry doesn't have to kick back any. And then, people wonder why so many people are calling on the government to forgive all college student loans. If we could pass a law requiring mining companies to pay their fair share like the other industries, then we would have money to forgive student loans and then set up scholarship funds for where the need is greatest.
snip--

But Reid's ties to mining run deeper than his sentimental connection to his rough-and-tumble origins. His sons Rory and Leif work for law firms that represent mining companies. Since 1999, his son-in-law, Steven Barringer, has earned as much as $3.7 million lobbying for mining interests including Barrick Gold, though he does not lobby Reid directly. Reid's natural resources staffer, Neil Kornze, is the son of a geologist who discovered Barrick's Betze deposit outside Elko. Since 1994, mining interests have donated more than $269,000 to Reid, including at least $82,000 from Barrick and its employees. Any suggestion, however, that these links have swayed Reid is "an attempt to draw a conclusion that would be inaccurate," says his spokesman Jon Summers. (Reid declined to be interviewed for this article.) Yeah, sure... -- EH

Reid's relationship with the mining industry is a fiercely guarded piece of political capital. Though Reid has a solid base in expanding urban areas such as Las Vegas and Reno, he has had to fight for votes in conservative rural areas. Part of the problem is his environmental record: Reid has opposed road building in national forests and supported setting aside 5.6 million acres in southern Nevada to protect the threatened desert tortoise. His 1998 reelection bid was opposed by the anti-environmentalist Wise Use movement; he won by just 428 votes. In 2001, when Bush moved to quash mining regulations put in place by the Clinton administration, Reid saw an opportunity to mend fences back home. "President Bush can't be wrong all the time," he said. In 2003, prominent Nevada Republicans endorsed his reelection bid, and he won by a comfortable margin.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/03/01/703409/-Harry-...

librechik

(30,676 posts)
115. lol, been there done that.
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 10:51 AM
Jul 2013

I will believe it after it happens. I won't believe it until after the vote. If then.

 

Vietnameravet

(1,085 posts)
118. I love it when peop[le say..
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 12:05 PM
Jul 2013

If we do away with the lazy mans filibuster now what if Repbs win a majority..then we wont be able to use it...Bullshit! If Republicans win they will certainly do away with any sort of filibuster if it gets in their way,,
I got a call yesterday asking for money for Democrats...I told them to call back when democrats learn to fight..

mikekohr

(2,312 posts)
119. Bullies back down when punched back. Knock McConnel on his ass and put the boots to him.
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 01:20 PM
Jul 2013

Then repeat, repeat and repeat. They are crybabies, whiners and pussys' And there are more of us.

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