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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhat the battle over birth control is really about
A very good diary examining the question on dailykos. Well worth the read. I saw it last night and saved it for this morning so more would see it.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/02/17/1065740/-What-the-battle-over-birth-control-is-really-about?via=siderec
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Robinson argues that biology condemned women to a role organized around childbearing, which allowed men to benefit, including establishing dominance in many areas. As she writes
They got full economic and social control over our bodies, our labor, our affections, and our futures. They got to make the rules, name the gods we would worship, and dictate the terms we would live under. In most cultures, they had the right to sex on demand within the marriage, and also to break their marriage vows with impunity a luxury that would get women banished or killed. As long as pregnancy remained the defining fact of our lives, they got to run the whole show. The world was their party, and they had a fabulous time.
As I read these words I thought of three Ks - not as applied to American culture, but to the latter part of the first half of the last century in Germany: for the Nazis, the role of women was defined as Kinder, Kirche, Kuche - kids, church and kitchen. For too many patriarchal males today, that phraseology still seems to represent their thinking.
Safe and effective contraception - the IUD as well as the pill, for example - meant that women were no longer defined by their biology:
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shraby
(21,946 posts)yellerpup
(12,253 posts)lonestarnot
(77,097 posts)peacebird
(14,195 posts)Out of fear that the new racial majority would treat them as second class citizens.
northoftheborder
(7,572 posts)Snarkoleptic
(5,997 posts)WillyT
(72,631 posts)lunatica
(53,410 posts)all over again. I think that's great actually. They've been lucky enough to be able to take their rights for granted, but this will give them a taste of what it would be like to have those rights taken away. No one gives up their rights, even the ones they take for granted when it comes down to it. No one.
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)well said, lunatica.
Great OP too-- The article is excellent.
Igel
(35,316 posts)They create uncertainty in whether a man's actually the father or a cuckold, they granted women undue influence in the structure of early society since they tended to stay at home and organize home life and raise the children. It's harder being a single herder without somebody organizing the household that provides food, shelter, clothing, and heat.
Hence matriarchies are posited as the earliest form of human social structure. Oddly, they're always romanticized as good.
Arguably, early societies, in which children are scarce, were organized around childbearing--not just the women's lifestyle, but also the men's. Lots of training of children, getting extra food for children, protecting the offspring against intraclan, intratribal rivalries. On top of that you have the adults all competing for their own selfish interests. Recently men were better at it than women, if only because it's likely women were more interested in the children they invested so much time with and bonded with. (My family was the opposite: My mother worked for herself and took care of herself; my father worked to feed me and provide for me. It's no prettier when the mother is a selfish sexist racist ogre than when the man is. It's just less stereotypical and so can be ignored as a possible variant to be considered in an argument.)
The biggest change since the Paleolithic is that currently, for many people, children are commodities. You need a certain level of luxury for that to be the case and even places like Afghanistan have long since reached that level.
XemaSab
(60,212 posts)A hundred years ago, 10 kids meant 10 farmhands or factory workers and 10 whole other families to send you money in your old age.
Now 10 kids means 10 college tuitions and doctor bills, while old people don't have to depend on their families for money.
Rhiannon12866
(205,405 posts)Mojorabbit
(16,020 posts)It does not matter who the father is if you have a matriarchal line of succession. One always knows who the mother is. I would also argue that a tribal form of community leaves many both male and female that can organize the child care and home life and both male and female that can be the hunter gatherers. So I think there is an agenda when you see a form of control being made on women in all areas of existence both spiritual, personal, and societal.
superpatriotman
(6,249 posts)and several responses in the thread, the fact is this:
BIRTH CONTROL IS A WEDGE ISSUE!
Whisp
(24,096 posts)AllyCat
(16,187 posts)I'm not saying those who can't or don't want to have children are "not strong", but the perceived ability to bring forth life as well as nurture children is a STRONG point and maybe we need to reframe the debate. That's way too weak a description for what needs to happen, but I feel we need a mindset change. Not sure how to make that happen except to start evaluating our own talk.
Lugnut
(9,791 posts)Cleita
(75,480 posts)It was so popular that it became rare and costly. http://www.sisterzeus.com/Silphio.htm
Also, the church never was interested in women's affairs like pro-creation until the Renaissance. Up until then it was in the realm of mid-wives. No men were needed. It's when men clerics started becoming physicians and started treating women for women's ailments and child birth that the whole birth control debacle became Church doctrine.
DirkGently
(12,151 posts)tavalon
(27,985 posts)Controlling women.
Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)I would go with the phrase "Men want their cake & to eat it too", but yours is much shorter.
Remember Me
(1,532 posts)I was just revisiting a book that has been extremely important in my life: Homophobia, A Weapon of Sexism by Suzanne Pharr. I wasn't the only one who found it worthwhile -- it was, and still is, used in Women's Studies curricula, starting not long after its original publishing in 1988.
As I skimmed it again the other day, I found a few things a bit dated, but societal sexism and misogyny don't change all that much.
Here's a passage from the introduction that puts the entire thing into sharp focus. I wish I could share it with every single person of the 99% Movement:
Susan DeMarco and Jim Hightower, writing for Mother Jones, report that Forbes magazine indicated that the 400 richest families in America last year had an average net worth of $550 million each. These and less than a million other familiesroughly one percent of our populationare at the prosperous tip of our society. In 1976, the wealthiest 1 percent of Americas families owned 19.2 percent of the nations total wealth. (This sum of wealth counts all of Americas cash, real estate, stocks, bonds, factories, art, personal property, and anything else of financial value.) By 1983, those at this 1 percent tip of our economy owned 34.3 percent of our wealth. Today, the top 1 percent of Americans possesses more net wealth than the bottom 90 percent. (small snip)
In order for this top-heavy system of economic inequity to maintain itself, the 90 percent on the bottom must keep supplying cheap labor. A very complex, intricate system of institutionalized oppressions is necessary to maintain the status quo so that the vast majority will not demand its fair share of wealth and resources and bring the system down. Every institutionschools, banks, churches, government, courts, media, etcas well as individuals must be enlisted in the campaign to maintain such a system of gross inequity.
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Economics is the great controller in both sexism and racism. If a person cant acquire food, shelter, and clothing and provide them for children, then that person can be forced to do many things in order to survive. The major tactic, worldwide, is to provide unrecompensed or inadequately recompensed labor for the benefit of those who control wealth. Hence, we see women performing unpaid labor in the home or filling low-paid jobs, and we see people of color in the lowest-paid jobs available.
The method is complex: limit educational and training opportunities for women and for people of color and then withhold adequate paying jobs with the excuse that people of color and women are incapable of filling them. Blame the economic victim and keep the victims self-esteem low through invisibility and distortion within the media and education. Allow a few people of color and women to succeed among the profit-makers so that blaming those who dont make it can be intensified. Encourage those few who succeed in gaining power now to turn against those who remain behind rather than to use their resources to make change for all. Maintain the myth of scarcitythat there are not enough jobs, resources, etc., to go aroundamong the middleclass so that they will not unite with laborers, immigrants, and the unemployed. The method keeps in place a system of control and profit by a few and a constant source of cheap labor to maintain it.
If anyone steps out of line, take her/his job away. Let homelessness and hunger do their work. The economic weapon works. And we end up saying, I would do this or thatbe openly who I am, speak out against injustice, work for civil rights, join a labor union, go to a political march, etc.if I didnt have this job. I cant afford to lose it. We stay in an abusive situation because we see no other way to survive.
This is why feminists like me (tho, alas, not all feminists since not all of them understand this, or even know or think of Patriarchy as a problem) can be heard saying something like this: "It's all of a piece; it's all related; you can't hope to stamp out one oppression without also addressing the others; every time you stand up against one oppression you stand up against all of them' there is no hierarchy of oppression (that's a patriarchal divide-and-conquer myth); etc.
If the 99%ers want to change the system, IMO the only way to REALLY change it is to overthrow Patriarchy.
And THAT by the way is why some of us are called "radical feminists" -- because we believe that the root, the radix, is Patriarchy and must be overthrown if we are to have equality.
Oh, my lads and oh, my lassies, what a grand life we'd have then. NOW you can see how much our economics for the other 99% depends on it too.
There's a line from one of my other favorite feminist books, The Chalice and the Blade by Riane Eisler, describing early goddess-worshipping societies, and it mentions something like "an easy and comfortable relationship (which included sexuality) between the sexes," in its description. And much more that made it sound like heaven to me.
malaise
(269,005 posts)valerief
(53,235 posts)Not because they necessary want them. Because they get pregnant.
ProfessionalLeftist
(4,982 posts)steve2470
(37,457 posts)Martin Eden
(12,869 posts)The Repukes are using the "Obamacare" BC coverage requirement and the objection of the Catholic church to reinforce their false narrative that Christianity and religious freedom are under assault by liberalism in general and Obama in particular.
It's just one more example of pandering to religious folk and playing the fear card.
And, of course, it is emblamatic of the chauvinism still lodged in the mindset of reationaries and men in power.