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Enrique

(27,461 posts)
Sat Feb 18, 2012, 04:41 PM Feb 2012

Chris Matthews sticks up for Pat Buchaanan

http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/chris-matthews-says-hell-miss-pat-buchanan

As happy as most of us are to see Pat Buchanan finally formally get the boot from MSNBC, it seems there's at least one person there that's going to miss the old bigot; Chris Matthews. During his "Let Me Finish" segment at the end of this Friday's show, Matthews praised Buchanan for his loyalty to his friends and to Richard Nixon.rn

He also praised Buchanan for being loyal to his "heritage" or in other words, those magical days back in the 1950's when we still had segregated schools and prior to the Civil Rights movement that was the fantasy that exists in Matthews and Buchanan's minds. This was just really bizarre to watch.

I guess Chris is just sad he won't have Pat around any longer to treat us to more interviews like whether Sonia Sotomayor is a "militant liberal Latina", or for someone to defend Rush Limbaugh's racist rants, or to claim that the President has a "messiah complex", or to gush and giggle with him over the "dazzling rodeo queens" Palin and Bachmann.

video and transcript at link....
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Chris Matthews sticks up for Pat Buchaanan (Original Post) Enrique Feb 2012 OP
one twit to another. russspeakeasy Feb 2012 #1
Pat was an old fashion racist clown reflecting much of the actual GOP base. onehandle Feb 2012 #2
You may be right madokie Feb 2012 #35
I didn't watch Tweety's defense of Buchanan RZM Feb 2012 #3
I'll pass on the video and transcript...nt BootinUp Feb 2012 #4
Did you see how ol' Pat told Sean Hannity that this country was much better off Arugula Latte Feb 2012 #5
Like that guy Franz in the film The Producers who wore a German helmet everywhere he went aint_no_life_nowhere Feb 2012 #6
It seems it was his latest book that was the catalyst for his ousting... Spazito Feb 2012 #7
I saw him do it yesterday BumRushDaShow Feb 2012 #8
Hardball is a waste of time. Two hours wasted. libinnyandia Feb 2012 #9
It's only an hr long. Have you ever watched it? It's the best political talk show on TV, IMO. nt Honeycombe8 Feb 2012 #11
I agree. Hardball is my only "MUST WATCH" political show of the day. aaaaaa5a Feb 2012 #17
Your "Must Watch" political show _ed_ Feb 2012 #25
I don't love all of his political opinions or viewpoints. aaaaaa5a Feb 2012 #27
Voted Bush over Gore in 2000 _ed_ Feb 2012 #32
Tweety is a Democrat. As for that quote... Honeycombe8 Feb 2012 #29
You're on your own defending that disgusting quote _ed_ Feb 2012 #31
You hate someone for making a mere observation? Don't kill the observer. It's the... Honeycombe8 Feb 2012 #38
I don't hate him _ed_ Feb 2012 #39
Hardball is inconsistent in quality. Maddow, O'Donnell and Sharpton are better. libinnyandia Feb 2012 #19
I watch those, too, sometimes. But they are more one-sided. Honeycombe8 Feb 2012 #21
I agree. Hardball could be the most fair and balanced show on TV. aaaaaa5a Feb 2012 #30
Hardball is atrocious, as is Matthews _ed_ Feb 2012 #22
If you're a liberal you don't admire Ronald Reagan. He says thing that I find so stupid. They are libinnyandia Feb 2012 #23
I think he's remarkably stupid and ignorant _ed_ Feb 2012 #24
They are not at all the same RZM Feb 2012 #10
When Tweety had Rep. Norton on last week BumRushDaShow Feb 2012 #13
You are so right about "People who rail against each other over politics..." stevenleser Feb 2012 #20
Matthews is a loudmouthed slobbering fool. AlinPA Feb 2012 #12
May we now await the departure of the dear Mr. Matthews from the cablenooz, too. Stinky The Clown Feb 2012 #14
Chris Matthews JitterbugPerfume Feb 2012 #15
He's a Beltway clown who voted for Bush in 2000 _ed_ Feb 2012 #33
Everyone's true beliefs jumping out all over. nt nanabugg Feb 2012 #16
Chris Matthews needs to zip his trousers sadbear Feb 2012 #18
One old white man standing up for another old white man _ed_ Feb 2012 #26
Buchanan drives away a lot of people from the GOP tnvoter Feb 2012 #28
MSNBC = Comcast's Media Arm _ed_ Feb 2012 #34
Mathews is nothing but a personality acted upon fascisthunter Feb 2012 #36
i heard this morning that joe & mika were equally upset spanone Feb 2012 #37

onehandle

(51,122 posts)
2. Pat was an old fashion racist clown reflecting much of the actual GOP base.
Sat Feb 18, 2012, 04:45 PM
Feb 2012

Now MSNBC will hire a Sarah Palin or a Rick Santorum and elevate the Tea Party.

We will regret running Pat off.

 

RZM

(8,556 posts)
3. I didn't watch Tweety's defense of Buchanan
Sat Feb 18, 2012, 04:45 PM
Feb 2012

Though I'm not at all surprised. Lots of people are sticking up for him, including some people you might not expect to do so.

Here's a thread on it from yesterday:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002323426

 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
5. Did you see how ol' Pat told Sean Hannity that this country was much better off
Sat Feb 18, 2012, 04:50 PM
Feb 2012

when African Americans were only ten percent of the population?

He's probably happy he can wear his Grand Wizard KKK garb openly now.

aint_no_life_nowhere

(21,925 posts)
6. Like that guy Franz in the film The Producers who wore a German helmet everywhere he went
Sat Feb 18, 2012, 04:51 PM
Feb 2012

"The Fuhrer was sweet, the Fuhrer was kind, the Fuhrer was good."

Spazito

(50,349 posts)
7. It seems it was his latest book that was the catalyst for his ousting...
Sat Feb 18, 2012, 04:56 PM
Feb 2012

it must have some pretty hideous views over and above the ones he has been quite happy to give while on MSNBC, views I found appalling beyond belief. Why else would they now oust him, it couldn't be because he suddenly went public with his racist garbage because it has always been there and MSNBC was content to keep him.

I am glad he is gone and think he it should have happened long ago.

BumRushDaShow

(129,053 posts)
8. I saw him do it yesterday
Sat Feb 18, 2012, 05:01 PM
Feb 2012

and screamed at both the jackasses on my screen.

They are both 2 of a kind and one and the same.

aaaaaa5a

(4,667 posts)
17. I agree. Hardball is my only "MUST WATCH" political show of the day.
Sat Feb 18, 2012, 08:07 PM
Feb 2012

I'm glad they repeat it at 5pm and 7pm.

I think Chris Mathews does a great job. Very knowledgeable.


I also watch his Sunday morning talk show. "Tell me something I don't know?"

_ed_

(1,734 posts)
25. Your "Must Watch" political show
Sun Feb 19, 2012, 01:59 PM
Feb 2012

is hosted by a Bush voter who said this:

"MATTHEWS: We're proud of our president. Americans love having a guy as president, a guy who has a little swagger, who's physical, who's not a complicated guy like (former President Bill) Clinton or even like (former Democratic presidential candidates Michael) Dukakis or (Walter) Mondale, all those guys, (George) McGovern. They want a guy who's president. Women like a guy who's president. Check it out. The women like this war. I think we like having a hero as our president. It's simple. We're not like the Brits. We don't want an indoor prime minister type, or the Danes or the Dutch or the Italians, or a Putin. Can you imagine Putin getting elected here? We want a guy as president."

aaaaaa5a

(4,667 posts)
27. I don't love all of his political opinions or viewpoints.
Sun Feb 19, 2012, 02:32 PM
Feb 2012

But after a long day at work or school, when you come home and you have just 1 hour to get caught up on all of the political news you missed during the day, HardBall would be my first choice.


The Ed Show is great. I watch it all the time. I honestly think its getting better. And I find I am watching it more often. When Ed first started it seemed like his persona was to much of a schtick for me. But I am liking it more and more.

The Rachel Maddow show is fantastic. She is the smartest person on TV. But sometimes her show is more issues or stories oriented instead of just the "who's up/who's down" political news of the day.

The Lawrence O'Donnell show is my second favorite political show in primetime. I believe there is no better predictor of future events than LO. Like Mathews, his show is more oriented to giving me the political news of the day, straight forward with good analysis. It might even be my favorite but its on late. 7pm works better for my schedule than 10pm. I wish it were on Fridays.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
29. Tweety is a Democrat. As for that quote...
Sun Feb 19, 2012, 07:12 PM
Feb 2012

he's stating his observations on what he thinks Americans like. Part of that I'd agree with...Americans do like a leader who acts like a leader, confident, secure, firmly planted feet. The smart guys, like Clinton and Obama, ARE complicated. They make take longer to make decisions because they actually gather facts and THINK about it.

Matthews says some screwy things. Like that time he said seeing Obama gives him a tingle up his leg. Weird.

I don't think he voted for Bush. Did he say he did?

But he gets the best guests. He's a little fairer in his interviews. Republicans and Independents often won't go on Maddow, O'Donnell, or Sharpton because of how they're treated. But they'll go on Hardball....sometimes. And Tweety is an expert at not letting them sit there and spout their talking points.

He was, IMO, most responsible from banishing the birthers from mainstream media. He had one of those guys on his show. He grilled him like they'd never been grilled before, then he held up Obama's birth certificate and kept asking the birther why he thought that document from Hawaii wasn't legit. The guy kept trying to say something else, but Tweety didn't let him, repeating his question over and over. Finally, he just told the guy, "You know, this is crazy! This birther stuff, you guys...it's just crazy!" I never saw a birther on the political talk shows in prime time again. Still haven't. Well, except for Trump.

_ed_

(1,734 posts)
31. You're on your own defending that disgusting quote
Sun Feb 19, 2012, 09:11 PM
Feb 2012

and google his vote in 2000. Your man voted for Bush. Some Democrat! He voted Bush over Gore. Are you fucking kidding me?

Does his sexism bother you? How about his recent defense of the Catholic Bishops about this nonsense contraception issue?

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
38. You hate someone for making a mere observation? Don't kill the observer. It's the...
Wed Feb 22, 2012, 01:41 AM
Feb 2012

It's the things he observed that you're upset about. I agree with most of what he said he's observed...I've observed it, too. Statistics bear it out, as well. (The taller man usu. wins the Presidency, the lower or more authoritative voice, etc. Not always, but usually.)

I did Google his vote, and yeah, it seems he did cross party lines & vote for Bush. That's disappointing. But not unforgiveable. I voted for Gore, but I couldn't help but notice that it wasn't a well run campaign, and Gore messed up (or his handlers). So I can sort of understand voting for Bush in 2000....sort of. If you didn't know Bush (I live in TX, so I knew, sort of, what Bush was like). He didn't vote for Bush in 2004, though. That would've been mind boggling and stupid.

Tweety has come around on the contraception thing with the Catholics. Tweety is Catholic. I understand it, because although I'm not Catholic, at first I felt the same way. As Tweety said about complicated people, sometimes it takes a while to make a decision, since you have to gather facts and think about things. BTW, he never said he agreed with the Catholic leaders' position...just that he was on the fence about it, and he understood their concerns and was perplexed by Obama's decision to do that during an election year. I felt the same way. I have come around to understanding the decision, though, now that I've learned more about it. I still disagree with providing free birth control, though. It's not for a medical condition, and it will cause ins. premiums to go up.

The good news about the contraception thing, though, is that I, a woman in her 50's looking for a job, this makes me more attractive to potential employers because I won't have those monthly birth control claims.

_ed_

(1,734 posts)
39. I don't hate him
Mon Feb 27, 2012, 10:31 AM
Feb 2012

He's just a Beltway hack who voted Bush in 2000 with no valuable insights into politics other than emotional crap.

Does this bother you as a woman?

"MATTHEWS: We're proud of our president. Americans love having a guy as president, a guy who has a little swagger, who's physical, who's not a complicated guy like (former President Bill) Clinton or even like (former Democratic presidential candidates Michael) Dukakis or (Walter) Mondale, all those guys, (George) McGovern. They want a guy who's president. Women like a guy who's president. Check it out. The women like this war. I think we like having a hero as our president. It's simple. We're not like the Brits. We don't want an indoor prime minister type, or the Danes or the Dutch or the Italians, or a Putin. Can you imagine Putin getting elected here? We want a guy as president."

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
21. I watch those, too, sometimes. But they are more one-sided.
Sun Feb 19, 2012, 01:25 AM
Feb 2012

True, I like the side they're on. But Hardball has more interesting guests incl. a spattering of Republicans. Republicans pretty much won't go on the other three because, as I've seen, they're not given a chance to answer, are talked "at" by the hosts, and the interviewers are sometimes rude to them. Larry, especially. Of the three, Sharpton is fairer in his interviews.

I like to watch more of a balance in the discussion. A real discussion with opposing viewpoints sometimes.

aaaaaa5a

(4,667 posts)
30. I agree. Hardball could be the most fair and balanced show on TV.
Sun Feb 19, 2012, 07:35 PM
Feb 2012

It is a great barometer to find out what is going on in a world without a left slant or FOX news propaganda.

_ed_

(1,734 posts)
22. Hardball is atrocious, as is Matthews
Sun Feb 19, 2012, 10:47 AM
Feb 2012

Did you realize that Matthews voted for Bush in 2000?

Here's the host of "the best political talk show on TV" in 2003 talking about GW Bush:

"MATTHEWS: We're proud of our president. Americans love having a guy as president, a guy who has a little swagger, who's physical, who's not a complicated guy like (former President Bill) Clinton or even like (former Democratic presidential candidates Michael) Dukakis or (Walter) Mondale, all those guys, (George) McGovern. They want a guy who's president. Women like a guy who's president. Check it out. The women like this war. I think we like having a hero as our president. It's simple. We're not like the Brits. We don't want an indoor prime minister type, or the Danes or the Dutch or the Italians, or a Putin. Can you imagine Putin getting elected here? We want a guy as president."

This guy represents the worst of Beltway "conventional wisdom." I think he seems drunk half the time. Why is he always drooling on air and slurring his speech? Why can't he pronounce the word "America?"

He just defended his racist buddy Pat Buchanan. Like I said, the worst the Beltway has to offer.

libinnyandia

(1,374 posts)
23. If you're a liberal you don't admire Ronald Reagan. He says thing that I find so stupid. They are
Sun Feb 19, 2012, 12:44 PM
Feb 2012

mostly just casual statements, which I find disturbing.

_ed_

(1,734 posts)
24. I think he's remarkably stupid and ignorant
Sun Feb 19, 2012, 01:48 PM
Feb 2012

He just traffics in other peoples' Beltway conventional wisdom.

 

RZM

(8,556 posts)
10. They are not at all the same
Sat Feb 18, 2012, 05:18 PM
Feb 2012

I'm not a big fan of Tweety, mind you. But I've never heard him articulate anything like what Buchanan does.

The main argument of Buchanan's latest book is that immigration and birthrates are eroding the white share of the population and that has long-term consequences for just about every aspect of American life. He believes that immigration should be reduced/halted and that the current population of roughly 11 million undocumented immigrants should not be made citizens.

Tweety, on the the other hand, specifically endorsed making the entire undocumented population citizens in one of his commercial-break vignettes from last year. That's pretty much the opposite of what Buchanan argues.

The tie here - and this goes for many other Buchanan defenders in the media - is that of colleagues and co-workers. Both are pundits and have probably known each other for years. While I know nothing about Buchanan's interactions with friends and colleagues, it seems that many members of the 'in crowd' in the media, including some liberals, got along with him well. Contrast that with the Olbermann thing last year, when you didn't hear much from the rest of the pundit class at all.

I think that's one of the open secrets of that world. People who rail against each other over politics on the airwaves sometimes leave the studio and go have drinks together right after.

BumRushDaShow

(129,053 posts)
13. When Tweety had Rep. Norton on last week
Sat Feb 18, 2012, 07:07 PM
Feb 2012

He couldn't shut his goddamn mouth for a minute to let her even speak with respect to the issue of the all-male panel at Issa's Inquisition hearing.

He and Buchanan are both Irish Catholics and Tweety let his Catholicism get in the way the past couple weeks as he went on attack mode against the President before the so-called "compromise" was announced.

His love affair with Kennedy is as toxic as Buchanan's love affair with Nixon and Reagan. But over the years, they both denounced African Americans who profess their own love affair with Barack Obama.

The ARE 2 sides of the same damn coin, both hypocrites and paternalistic.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
20. You are so right about "People who rail against each other over politics..."
Sat Feb 18, 2012, 08:44 PM
Feb 2012

You can fight with each other passionately on air about your beliefs but afterwards its completely different in 99% of the cases.

tnvoter

(257 posts)
28. Buchanan drives away a lot of people from the GOP
Sun Feb 19, 2012, 03:25 PM
Feb 2012

I was a registered Republican until Buchanan made his hateful keynote at the 1992 GOP convention. He's a recalcitrant bigot. Through and through.

_ed_

(1,734 posts)
34. MSNBC = Comcast's Media Arm
Sun Feb 19, 2012, 09:30 PM
Feb 2012

What else would you expect but bullshit Beltway conventional wisdom nonsense. Chris Matthews just said that it's a virtue to be loyal to a criminal and be a fucking racist. People think this is liberal?

 

fascisthunter

(29,381 posts)
36. Mathews is nothing but a personality acted upon
Sun Feb 19, 2012, 10:07 PM
Feb 2012

by an actor/bullshit artists. We love bullshit artists... look at hollywood!

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