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RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
Thu Jul 18, 2013, 12:34 AM Jul 2013

Snowden broke some laws, that's a given

Today we heard our revered Rep. Conyers declare that the NSA broke not just some laws, but actually acted unconstitutionally.

So that's why Snowden felt he had to become a whistleblower. He saw laws being broken and the constitution being subverted.

I now look forward to seeing all those here who attacked Snowden, turn their attention to the lawbreakers in the NSA with even half their vehemence they displayed going after the confirmed whistleblower Snowden.

Well, how about it? How about the lawbreakers in the NSA? Are you people gonna let them slide?

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Snowden broke some laws, that's a given (Original Post) RobertEarl Jul 2013 OP
What laws did Snowden break? zappaman Jul 2013 #1
Wow RobertEarl Jul 2013 #2
According to your OP, Snowden broke laws. zappaman Jul 2013 #19
No, I don't think I WILL let them slide. Hey, NSA Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #3
The only way the NSA's actions will be proven unconstitutional would be JaneyVee Jul 2013 #4
So RobertEarl Jul 2013 #11
I've been pissed off since 2001. JaneyVee Jul 2013 #20
Why should I change my opinion on Snowden? brooklynite Jul 2013 #5
Change your opinion? Huh? RobertEarl Jul 2013 #6
Snowden has admitted to breaking the law Summer Hathaway Jul 2013 #8
Broke laws? davidpdx Jul 2013 #7
Wait ProSense Jul 2013 #9
Confusing... railsback Jul 2013 #10
You think he broke no law? RobertEarl Jul 2013 #12
My confusion railsback Jul 2013 #13
Right RobertEarl Jul 2013 #14
None of them ran railsback Jul 2013 #15
So RobertEarl Jul 2013 #16
The U.S. is a nation of LAWS. railsback Jul 2013 #17
Yes. And the NSA broke laws RobertEarl Jul 2013 #18
What law exactly was broken? I thought the scary part about what NSA JaneyVee Jul 2013 #21
What laws did Snowden break? zappaman Jul 2013 #22
 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
2. Wow
Thu Jul 18, 2013, 12:42 AM
Jul 2013

Where have you been hiding?

It is odd that the people screaming about Snowden, wanting him arrested, are not the same ones who want to have the NSA regulated and kept from tapping into our lives.

Now that we all know the NSA has been breaking many laws day in and day out, I wonder if those same people will be willing to go after the lawbreakers still in the NSA. Or will they let them be free, and continue attacking Snowden with every ounce of energy they have.

zappaman

(20,606 posts)
19. According to your OP, Snowden broke laws.
Thu Jul 18, 2013, 05:05 AM
Jul 2013

I'm simply asking what laws he broke.
BeFree to figure it out and let us know.

 

Pretzel_Warrior

(8,361 posts)
3. No, I don't think I WILL let them slide. Hey, NSA
Thu Jul 18, 2013, 12:45 AM
Jul 2013

NSA, I know you are reading this. Meet me at my house (you know where I live) so I can give you a right proper thrashing.

 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
4. The only way the NSA's actions will be proven unconstitutional would be
Thu Jul 18, 2013, 12:50 AM
Jul 2013

to get a Liberal majority on SCOTUS. I have a feeling this SCOTUS will cement the NSA permanently.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
11. So
Thu Jul 18, 2013, 02:18 AM
Jul 2013

I can put you down for letting the lawbreakers in the NSA get a free pass?

It should take a year or two, and the SCOTUS will be faced with a case about NSA, or FISA, or something, and by then the Left, along with the RW, will be looked at as a majority the court won't want to piss off.

Will you be there with us acting pissed off about being tapped day in and day out?

brooklynite

(94,728 posts)
5. Why should I change my opinion on Snowden?
Thu Jul 18, 2013, 01:19 AM
Jul 2013

I can support reforms in our intelligence/security policies AND recognize that Snowden violated Federal laws.

The bottom line is that as a nation of laws, we don't abide by each person deciding right and wrong on their own.

nb - unless Rep Conyers has been elevated to the Supreme Court, his opinion on the Constitutionality of the NSA policies is just that.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
6. Change your opinion? Huh?
Thu Jul 18, 2013, 01:34 AM
Jul 2013

You are free to have the opinion (that is all it is, an opinion) about Snowden.

My question is: will people work now to see that those who broke federal laws and subverted the constitution be arrested? And use the same energy as they have going after Snowden?

True, no one has been convicted of anything yet. So even the idea that Snowden broke laws is in the clouds. But given that Conyers and other congress people have stated they think laws have been broken, and the constitution subverted, does it not concern you that you too, have been, or soon will be, tapped?

Summer Hathaway

(2,770 posts)
8. Snowden has admitted to breaking the law
Thu Jul 18, 2013, 01:46 AM
Jul 2013

so that is not a matter of 'opinion', nor is the idea that he broke the law 'in the clouds'.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
7. Broke laws?
Thu Jul 18, 2013, 01:43 AM
Jul 2013

Why that's just crazzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzy! All Snowden did is go on vacation to Hong Kong with a few laptops that had government documents. I can't see how he broke any laws.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
12. You think he broke no law?
Thu Jul 18, 2013, 02:19 AM
Jul 2013

Then you are in favor of him not being prosecuted? Or is PS confusing you with such an inane and contradictory post?

 

railsback

(1,881 posts)
13. My confusion
Thu Jul 18, 2013, 02:31 AM
Jul 2013

comes from trying to decipher all the various ways the pro-Snowden defenders try to validate his actions. The latest attempt is trying to put words in Carter's mouth. There is NO confusion as to what Snowden did: He broke several Federal laws and needs to answer to them like a big boy.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
14. Right
Thu Jul 18, 2013, 02:40 AM
Jul 2013

So what about the others in the NSA who stand accused of breaking the law and the constitution? Are you willing to stand up like a big boy and go after them too?

 

railsback

(1,881 posts)
15. None of them ran
Thu Jul 18, 2013, 02:46 AM
Jul 2013

and none are in jail. That took balls and love for country, attributes Snowden seems to be lacking.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
16. So
Thu Jul 18, 2013, 02:48 AM
Jul 2013

Your just gonna let them slide? What? They scare you?

Step out of line the man come and take you away? That your fear?

 

railsback

(1,881 posts)
17. The U.S. is a nation of LAWS.
Thu Jul 18, 2013, 02:58 AM
Jul 2013

If you don't obey the laws as written by government, whom we elect to represent ourselves, then you become nothing but a… Libertarian.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
18. Yes. And the NSA broke laws
Thu Jul 18, 2013, 03:02 AM
Jul 2013

You get that right? Or you think NSA is above laws? Even above the constitution?

Or are you still just deeply confused?

 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
21. What law exactly was broken? I thought the scary part about what NSA
Thu Jul 18, 2013, 03:31 PM
Jul 2013

Was doing is that it is perfectly legal.

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