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Toon: The Republican Dream (Original Post) n2doc Jul 2013 OP
k&r thanks for posting. rhett o rick Jul 2013 #1
kicck Liberal_in_LA Jul 2013 #2
yep - let's go to rurallib Jul 2013 #3
K&R forestpath Jul 2013 #4
too inclusive daybranch Jul 2013 #5
Limbot actually said that once. ErikJ Jul 2013 #6
White men with money Hugabear Jul 2013 #9
Perhaps oversimplified JohnnyRingo Jul 2013 #7
I disagree with your version of the GOP motto KentuckyWoman Jul 2013 #8
While Lincoln openly held contempt for Blacks Jamaal510 Jul 2013 #10
You are no Lincoln scholar. another_liberal Jul 2013 #12
Oh yeah? Jamaal510 Jul 2013 #13
Yeah. another_liberal Jul 2013 #16
Unless you have a blue-eyed grandmother. another_liberal Jul 2013 #11
Kicked and Recommended! nt Enthusiast Jul 2013 #14
It's not a dream anymore, more B Calm Jul 2013 #15
 

ErikJ

(6,335 posts)
6. Limbot actually said that once.
Thu Jul 18, 2013, 11:13 PM
Jul 2013

He said that women voted with their emotions too much and thought they shouldnt vote. Then he took it back in the next sentence like he was kidding.

JohnnyRingo

(18,649 posts)
7. Perhaps oversimplified
Thu Jul 18, 2013, 11:14 PM
Jul 2013

If African Americans voted for Republicans, they'd pick them up early on election day and drop them off at the polls. I believe Republicans want to restrict poor people in general because the GOP works in earnest to implement their timeless motto: "If you don't work, you don't eat".

A great many black people just happen to be standing in the group Republicans detest the most, and they won't be happy until they have starving people- black & white- begging to shine their shoes at every street corner.

They can't tell they're in the middle class unless there's someone worse off to spit upon, and Republicans do what they can to stop those people from voting for their better interests.

KentuckyWoman

(6,695 posts)
8. I disagree with your version of the GOP motto
Thu Jul 18, 2013, 11:37 PM
Jul 2013

Maybe it used to be "You don't work, you don't eat. Now it's more "If you work and expect to eat you are a moocher."



Jamaal510

(10,893 posts)
10. While Lincoln openly held contempt for Blacks
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 12:26 AM
Jul 2013

and mainly ended slavery for political reasons, it still makes one long for those days of the GOP, compared to today. Now they are, in a nutshell, saying to Hell with allowing voting and other basic Constitutional rights. It never ceases to amaze me how any of them can still plead ignorance regarding why they no longer can get double-digit support among the Black community.

Jamaal510

(10,893 posts)
13. Oh yeah?
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 12:45 AM
Jul 2013

Read some of his earlier quotes regarding Black people. He saw us as being beneath him.

Link: http://afrospear.com/2008/02/18/quotations-from-abraham-lincoln/

“I have no purpose, directly or indirectly, to interfere with the institution of slavery in the states where it exists. I believe I have no lawful right to do so, and I have no inclination to do so.” – Abraham Lincoln in his first debate with Stephen Douglas in the campaign for the United States Senate at Ottawa, Illinois on August 21st of 1858.

“I am not, nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races. I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of Negroes, nor qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people. And I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will ever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. … And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race.” – Abraham Lincoln in his fourth debate with Stephen Douglas in the campaign for the United States Senate on September 18th of 1858.

“I have never had the least apprehension that I or my friends would marry negroes if there was no law to keep them from it, but as Judge Douglas and his friends seem to be in great apprehension that they might, if there were no law to keep them from it, I give him the most solemn pledge that I will to the very last stand by the law of this State, which forbids the marrying of white people with negroes.” – Abraham Lincoln in the fourth debate with Stephen Douglas.

“It is the eternal struggle between these two principles — right and wrong — throughout the world. They are the two principles that have stood face to face from the beginning of time; and will ever continue to struggle. The one is the common right of humanity, and the other the divine right of kings. It is the same principle in whatever shape it develops itself. It is the same spirit that says, ‘You toil and work and earn bread, and I’ll eat it.’ No matter in what shape it comes, whether from the mouth of a king who seeks to bestride the people of his own nation and live by the fruit of their labor, or from one race of men as an apology for enslaving another race, it is the same tyrannical principle.” – Abraham Lincoln in his seventh debate with Stephen Douglas at Alton, Illinois on October 15th, 1858.

“Those who deny freedom to others deserve it not for themselves; and, under a just God, can not long retain it.” – Abraham Lincoln in a letter to Henry L Pierce on April 6th, 1859.

“Understanding the spirit of our institutions to aim at the elevation of men, I am opposed to whatever tends to degrade them.” – Abraham Lincoln in a letter to Dr. Theodore Canisius on May 17th, 1859.

“Negro equality! Fudge! How long, in the government of a god, great enough to make and maintain this universe, shall there continue to be knaves to vend, and fools to gulp, so low a piece of demagogue-ism as this?” – Abraham Lincoln in notes for speeches in September of 1859.

“We know, Southern men declare that their slaves are better off than hired laborers amongst us. How little they know, whereof they speak! There is no permanent class of hired laborers amongst us…Free labor has the inspiration of hope; pure slavery has no hope.” – Abraham Lincoln in a manuscript of a speech on free labor in September of 1859.


It turns out that Lincoln wasn't that super-tolerant, Black-loving president that many people try to paint him as. Go brush up on some African American history or take an AA Studies course, and you'll get the 101 on it. The gist of what I previously wrote is that even he was less hostile than the modern GOP when it came to the needs of the Black community.
 

another_liberal

(8,821 posts)
16. Yeah.
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 01:44 PM
Jul 2013

You've cherry-picked a few quotes from the life of a very complex man. That is not the same as knowing enough to speak for him on such an important issue.

 

another_liberal

(8,821 posts)
11. Unless you have a blue-eyed grandmother.
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 12:29 AM
Jul 2013

They would pass a law that you can't vote unless you have a blue-eyed grandmother. If you have two blue-eyed grandmothers, of course, you'll get to vote twice.

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