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gollygee

(22,336 posts)
Sat Jul 20, 2013, 03:21 PM Jul 2013

Robert Reich on Detroit

Posted today on Facebook:

One way to view Detroit’s bankruptcy — the largest bankruptcy of any American city — is as a failure of political negotiations over how financial sacrifices should be divided among the city’s creditors, city workers, and municipal retirees — requiring a court to decide instead. But there’s a more basic story here, and it’s being replicated across America: Americans are segregating by income more than ever before. Forty years ago, most cities (including Detroit) had a mixture of wealthy, middle-class, and poor residents. Now, each income group tends to lives separately in its own city — with its own tax bases and philanthropies that support either excellent services or lousy ones. Detroit is a devastatingly poor, mostly black, increasingly abandoned island in the midst of a sea of comparative affluence that’s mostly white. Its suburbs are among the richest in the nation. But 1 out of 3 residents of the city is in poverty; more than half of all children in the city are impoverished. Between 2000 and 2010, Detroit lost a quarter of its population as the middle-class and whites fled to the suburbs, leaving it with depressed property values, abandoned neighborhoods, empty buildings, lousy schools, high crime, and a dramatically-shrinking tax base. More than half of its parks have closed in the last five years. Forty percent of its streetlights don’t work.

Much in modern America depends on where you draw boundaries, and who’s inside and who’s outside. Who is included in the social contract? If “Detroit" is defined as the larger metropolitan area that includes its suburbs, “Detroit" has enough money to provide all its residents with adequate if not good public services, without falling into bankruptcy. Putting the relevant boundary around the poor inner-city is roughly analogous to a Wall Street bank drawing a boundary around its bad assets, selling them off at a fire-sale price, and writing off the loss. Only here we’re dealing with human beings rather than financial capital. And the upcoming fire sale will likely result in even worse municipal services, lousier schools, and more crime for those left behind in the city of Detroit. In an era of widening inequality, this is how America’s wealthy and middle-class are quietly writing off the poor.

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Robert Reich on Detroit (Original Post) gollygee Jul 2013 OP
+1 HiPointDem Jul 2013 #1
Right-on Robert Reich! K & R eom 99th_Monkey Jul 2013 #2
There are two Detroits Faygo Kid Jul 2013 #3
Yes, you must. Brigid Jul 2013 #5
Me too (born and raised in Detroit) Dyedinthewoolliberal Jul 2013 #18
Was just going to post that! Triana Jul 2013 #4
Banks are worth bail outs...greedy fucks on wallstreet, get bail outs DearAbby Jul 2013 #6
Bail outs only happen if they will make rich people richer gollygee Jul 2013 #7
FWIW, the bailout of GM helped a shitload of regular folks. n/t A HERETIC I AM Jul 2013 #19
And rich people gollygee Jul 2013 #20
Nonsense. A HERETIC I AM Jul 2013 #21
Rich people got richer gollygee Jul 2013 #23
Wall Street got bailed out. Octafish Jul 2013 #8
K & R !!! WillyT Jul 2013 #9
Public employment, welfare, gambling, sports, dining and entertainment don't make a viable city FarCenter Jul 2013 #10
Public employment exists everywhere. Police, fire department, public services and schools JDPriestly Jul 2013 #14
Don't forget Detroit was segregated by race first caraher Jul 2013 #11
I agree gollygee Jul 2013 #12
Exactly caraher Jul 2013 #24
I wish Obama would hire him tblue Jul 2013 #13
What Dickie Snyder won't tell you. roamer65 Jul 2013 #15
Handshake deal with state haunts Detroit alp227 Jul 2013 #16
When a cop stops at a baseball bat fight in the street,. only to roll off at a more important call Civilization2 Jul 2013 #17
To decide a city, its inhabitants, its history aren't worthwhile. It's just so sad. KittyWampus Jul 2013 #22

Faygo Kid

(21,478 posts)
3. There are two Detroits
Sat Jul 20, 2013, 03:39 PM
Jul 2013

Probably more, but there is the devastated crime-ridden community with no public services and block after block of abandoned and decaying homes, then there is the growing Midtown corridor and downtown, with a 95% occupancy rate of apartments and condos that they can't build or remodel fast enough.

I don't have any quick fixes, but lots of thoughts on it. After all, I was born in Detroit more than 60 years ago and lived most of my life there or just across Eight Mile Road, and worked downtown for many years. I saw it all, from its peak to its decline. Might have to share my observations on DU one of these days.

DearAbby

(12,461 posts)
6. Banks are worth bail outs...greedy fucks on wallstreet, get bail outs
Sat Jul 20, 2013, 03:56 PM
Jul 2013

But an American city? Go fuck yourselves. How does a bankruptcy contribute to the general welfare of the people?

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
7. Bail outs only happen if they will make rich people richer
Sat Jul 20, 2013, 03:58 PM
Jul 2013

or at least protect the profits of rich people.

A HERETIC I AM

(24,376 posts)
21. Nonsense.
Sat Jul 20, 2013, 08:20 PM
Jul 2013

In fact, a huge number of "rich people" (the bond holders) got screwed in the deal.

While it did indeed help save a huge, multi-national corporation, it also saved the jobs of hundreds of thousands of regular Americans, not just the assembly line worker, but thousands of others whose jobs and businesses depend on those workers salaries as well as contracts from GM itself.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
23. Rich people got richer
Sat Jul 20, 2013, 08:39 PM
Jul 2013

Yes, lots of other people were helped, but I don't think it would have happened if there weren't the ability for rich people to capitalize off it.

Here's one example: http://www.salon.com/2012/10/19/how_mitt_romney_made_a_fortune_off_the_auto_bailout/

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
8. Wall Street got bailed out.
Sat Jul 20, 2013, 04:01 PM
Jul 2013

Detroit got sold out.

The nice emergency manager man appointed by Gov Rick "Gateway Billions" Snyder will make sure to protect the right people (read Koch Brothers Erik Prince Dick DeVos Scamway class) when the fire sale comes.

The rest of America's cities and towns should be so lucky.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
14. Public employment exists everywhere. Police, fire department, public services and schools
Sat Jul 20, 2013, 05:32 PM
Jul 2013

are vital to middle class and wealthy areas too.

Welfare and gambling are symptoms not causes of the failure of a city.

The problem in our cities is the lack of demand for workers. And that is due to the fact that we import so many of the goods we buy, and that technology has enabled the rich to make the products they need with very little labor.

What used to be the working class is now the workless class. There just is not enough demand for their time and skills.

Individuals are helpless.

In the middle ages, they tortured criminals on the wheel.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breaking_wheel

Now, innocent people are broken on the wheel of idleness and hopelessness. They suffer the pain of no healthcare, poor nutrition, children with no future and the aged with no comfort.

Could individuals simply help themselves? Not without capital to buy raw materials, to learn a skill. Not if their neighbors and friends don't have the money to buy what they can produce, not if the rich don't need to buy from them.

Whole areas of large cities are left with empty storefronts, second-hand stores, carry-out food joints, inadequate schools, cramped housing, dirty streets, graffiti and the homeless sleeping in the parks, under the bridges and in the alleyways, begging in front of grocery stores. Jobs and opportunities are gone. They just don't exist any more.

Could the dispossessed simply accept lower wages. Not if they want to buy food and pay for sewage fees, garbage collection, electricity, shoes, coats, etc. Minimum wage is not even enough to cover basic costs.

Meanwhile, the banks and the stocks on Wall Street are booming once again.

Welfare is a symptom, not a cause. The cause is technology and imports for the rich, neglect for everyone else.

And then Republicans wonder why women get abortions. Where is the hope in a city like Detroit? What future is in store for a baby born to a poor mother in Detroit today?

caraher

(6,279 posts)
11. Don't forget Detroit was segregated by race first
Sat Jul 20, 2013, 05:13 PM
Jul 2013

Race segregation and income segregation went hand-in-hand. I've no doubt that many prior decades of racism is ultimately more responsible for the bankruptcy of my native city than any mismanagement that may have marked the most recent few (the decline of manufacturing in general and the auto industry in particular also obviously played a huge role too!).

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
12. I agree
Sat Jul 20, 2013, 05:15 PM
Jul 2013

And I think racism is what's making people say "this is all the fault of the people of Detroit. They are all corrupt." The people in charge of Detroit aren't more corrupt than the people in charge of other large cities. This was not caused by a bunch of corrupt black people who can't handle running a city - which is how that sounds to me.

caraher

(6,279 posts)
24. Exactly
Sat Jul 20, 2013, 10:57 PM
Jul 2013

For instance, my idiot RW brother reposted a picture of Obama on FB with a caption to the effect that, if he ran a city, that city would be Detroit. How does that make any sense at all except as an racist insinuation against the competence of blacks?

roamer65

(36,747 posts)
15. What Dickie Snyder won't tell you.
Sat Jul 20, 2013, 05:43 PM
Jul 2013

There has been massive cuts to state revenue sharing over the past 10 years, especially under his last two. All municipalities in Michigan are feeling the bite and Detroit was simply the least able to withstand it. The blame does not lie squarely on Detroit, it lies equally up in Lansing as well.

Specifically, former mayor Dennis Archer made a deal with former POS (called a governor) John Engler. The deal was a guaranteed amount of revenue sharing for Detroit, if it would drop its income tax rates. Well guess who welched out on their part of the deal...Lansing of course. Yet more fallout from one of the worst governors in Michigan history.

This is the main reason for the Detroit bankruptcy.

alp227

(32,047 posts)
16. Handshake deal with state haunts Detroit
Sat Jul 20, 2013, 06:21 PM
Jul 2013
It seemed a reasonable deal when Gov. John Engler and Detroit Mayor Dennis Archer shook hands on it in 1998.

The state of Michigan would give Detroit $333.9 million annually for nine years in revenue sharing funds — if the city would ratchet down its highest-in-the-state city income tax rates.

All was going well, until the economy tanked, dragging the state’s tax collections and budget down with it. Detroit wound up getting far, far less than it was promised.

By one calculation, the city could have gained $700 million in additional funds in the period – for a city that has run repeated deficits (about $400 million this year alone) and piled up billions in debt to compensate.

And far more than money vanished – Detroit’s leaders and residents have never forgiven the state for how they were treated. And this ill will is affecting ongoing efforts to get Michigan’s largest city back on a financial even keel.


http://bridgemi.com/2013/03/handshake-deal-with-state-haunts-detroit/
 

Civilization2

(649 posts)
17. When a cop stops at a baseball bat fight in the street,. only to roll off at a more important call
Sat Jul 20, 2013, 06:34 PM
Jul 2013

on the radio,. you know the police force is spread a bit thin.

I was at a party in Detroit when one drunk asshole became belligerent,. and was asked to leave, he got worse, so the host of the party brought out a baseball bat (as did a couple others), and chased him out into the street, there were 50 some people out on the street, some trying to stop the ensuing fight, and others egging it on.

The thing that I will never forget, is a police cruiser pulling up and powering down his window to ask what was happening,. but before I could answer him, something squawked over his radio, up went the window, on went the sirens, and off he speed,. so 50 people in the street fighting with baseball bats did not warrant even getting out of his car. damn. The drunk ass was a huge dude, and managed to get one of the bats and hit one guy in the face breaking his jaw,. he had to have it wired.

Most suburbanites use the facilities in the city, come to ball games, music concerts, the symphony, casino, whatever,. the wall around the urban zone is semi-porous they get what they want and yet support is cut off in the other direction. It is like the gerrymandering of the rethugs,. using the city as a sacrifice zone and body dump of the suburbs.

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